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[Dos Equis]

And you honestly think our foreign policy has nothing to do with that attack or the aggression towards the United States?

Not really.  This is a warped religious-based ideology we are fighting.  They want us to convert or die.  They could care less about our foreign policy.  They want us out of the Middle East, but even we removed every boot from the ground, they'd still want us dead.  They believe our culture is evil and corrupt. 

[Deicide]

Not really.  This is a warped religious-based ideology we are fighting.  They want us to convert or die.  They could care less about our foreign policy.  They want us out of the Middle East, but even we removed every boot from the ground, they'd still want us dead.  They believe our culture is evil and corrupt. 

Who Arabs? Al Quaeda? Muslims? All of them?

[Dos Equis]

Who Arabs? Al Quaeda? Muslims? All of them?

Al Qaeda.  Racial Islamists. 

BTW, we still have Zawahiri out there (in Yemen?) who was just as responsible for 9/11 as Osama.   

[Bindare_Dundat]

Not really.  This is a warped religious-based ideology we are fighting.  They want us to convert or die.  They could care less about our foreign policy.  They want us out of the Middle East, but even we removed every boot from the ground, they'd still want us dead.  They believe our culture is evil and corrupt.  

The 9/11 commision says part of it is a result of foriegn policy. Micheal Sheuer head of the CIA's Osama bin Laden Tracking Unit,  says the same thing. CIA talks about blowback all the time.

I agree that it would be foolish to think that there arent those that would want us dead even if all the troops were removed but that number isnt any serious threat and we would do a better service in many aspects by having the troops come back home, in a monetary allocation alone, the results would be much better.

[Kazan]

The 9/11 commision says part of it is a result of foriegn policy. Micheal Sheuer head of the CIA's Osama bin Laden Tracking Unit,  says the same thing. CIA talks about blowback all the time.

I agree that it would be foolish to think that there arent those that would want us dead even if all the troops were removed but that number isnt any serious threat and we would do a better service in many aspects by having the troops come back home, in a monetary allocation alone, the results would be much better.

Probably, but the only reason we care is because of the easily accessible oil. The oil runs out and the cave dweller could kill each other until the cows come home and no one would bat an eye lash

[Dos Equis]

The 9/11 commision says part of it is a result of foriegn policy. Micheal Sheuer head of the CIA's Osama bin Laden Tracking Unit,  says the same thing. CIA talks about blowback all the time.

I agree that it would be foolish to think that there arent those that would want us dead even if all the troops were removed but that number isnt any serious threat and we would do a better service in many aspects by having the troops come back home, in a monetary allocation alone, the results would be much better.

How does our foreign policy contribute to the desire of radical Islamists to kill Americans? 

[Kazan]

How does our foreign policy contribute to the desire of radical Islamists to kill Americans? 

It really doesn't, if you look at how the ME dictatorships operate. They suck up and take the money then tell the people how all their problems are due to the US. Keeps them from focusing on the the real problem.

[Dos Equis]

It really doesn't, if you look at how the ME dictatorships operate. They suck up and take the money then tell the people how all their problems are due to the US. Keeps them from focusing on the the real problem.

I don't think it does either, but just wanted to hear opinions about it. 

I agree with you about their hypocrisy.  If Muslim countries really had a problem with U.S. foreign policy, they shouldn't accept a dime of our money or military help. 

[Deicide]

I don't think it does either, but just wanted to hear opinions about it. 

I agree with you about their hypocrisy.  If Muslim countries really had a problem with U.S. foreign policy, they shouldn't accept a dime of our money or military help. 

Most Muslim countries are ruled by dictators; the people don't get a dime and people don't want the dictatorship. The dictators are proxies of the US government and are there to keep the country stable by blocking popular interest in favour of US policy interest. What do you think all the protests are about?

[Dos Equis]

Most Muslim countries are ruled by dictators; the people don't get a dime and people don't want the dictatorship. The dictators are proxies of the US government and are there to keep the country stable by blocking popular interest in favour of US policy interest. What do you think all the protests are about?

Except their countries get our foreign aid, military might, and food/supplies after natural disasters. 

The protests are about people who have been indoctrinated and lied to about the United States.  I read about one Muslim who wound up working for the CIA (or FBI) and was shocked to learn about basic American history.  He knew nothing about the American Revolution, etc.

It's the sort of whitewash Japan does with WWII:  a paragraph about Pearl Harbor; a chapter or more about Hiroshima.  Same thing happens in many of these Muslim countries.     

[outby43]

Most Muslim countries are ruled by dictators; the people don't get a dime and people don't want the dictatorship. The dictators are proxies of the US government and are there to keep the country stable by blocking popular interest in favour of US policy interest. What do you think all the protests are about?

This could be true to a certain extent.  I do not think that is why they are protesting though.

[Fury]

Most Muslim countries are ruled by dictators; the people don't get a dime and people don't want the dictatorship. The dictators are proxies of the US government and are there to keep the country stable by blocking popular interest in favour of US policy interest. What do you think all the protests are about?

How is someone that has spent 30+ years in school so incredibly uninformed on almost every topic they speak of? Most of these retards do want a dictatorship. As Egypt (and other countries) polling has shown, they just happen to want a dictatorship that's more Islamic than the previous one.

Not that it matters for them as they're heading down the path towards their fourth ass-whopping from Israel.

Also, Islam isn't the least bit compatible with democracy and THAT is why all these countries are dictatorships.

[Deicide]

This could be true to a certain extent.  I do not think that is why they are protesting though.

For a long time there has been a desire for secular nationalisation across the Middle East, not in every country, but in many. It was already present in Iran in the 50's, when we got rid of the elected leader of that country. It is not in the interest of US policy makers that Middle Eastern countries nationalise in a secular/democratic fashion because they would likely take control of their own resources  (like in 1953 in Iran) so the dictators are there to maintain the status quo. The protests are very much about popular movement opposing tyranny.

[Deicide]

How is someone that has spent 30+ years in school so incredibly uninformed on almost every topic they speak of? Most of these retards do want a dictatorship. As Egypt (and other countries) polling has shown, they just happen to want a dictatorship that's more Islamic than the previous one.

Not that it matters for them as they're heading down the path towards their fourth ass-whopping from Israel.

Also, Islam isn't the least bit compatible with democracy and THAT is why all these countries are dictatorships.

Which polling are you looking at? Links?

[Fury]

Which polling are you looking at? Links?

Do your own research, twat. They've been posted all over this board and the internet.

[Bindare_Dundat]

I don't think it does either, but just wanted to hear opinions about it.  

I agree with you about their hypocrisy.  If Muslim countries really had a problem with U.S. foreign policy, they shouldn't accept a dime of our money or military help.  

Maybe you should go on FOX and debate that with members of the 9/11 commision and Micheal Sheuer head of the CIA's Osama bin Laden Tracking Unit. Maybe you know something they don't.

[Dos Equis]

Maybe you should go on FOX and debate that with members of the 9/11 commision and Micheal Sheuer head of the CIA's Osama bin Laden Tracking Unit. Maybe you know something they don't.

I've read the 9/11 Commission Report and don't recall reading the part where they blamed 9/11, radical Islam, or the desire to kill Americans, in whole or in part, on our foreign policy.  I might have overlooked it.  What specific portion makes that claim?