Obama plans to tax cars by the mile and install electronic devices in all cars.

[Soul Crusher]

Obama floats plan to tax cars by the mile
The Hill ^

Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:42:55 AM

Obama floats plan to tax cars by the mile By Pete Kasperowicz - 05/05/11 07:45 AM ET

The Obama administration has floated a transportation authorization bill that would require the study and implementation of a plan to tax automobile drivers based on how many miles they drive.

The plan is a part of the administration's "Transportation Opportunities Act," an undated draft of which was obtained this week by Transportation Weekly.

This follows a March Congressional Budget Office report that supported the idea of taxing drivers based on miles driven.

Among other things, CBO suggested that a vehicle miles traveled (VMT) tax could be tracked by installing electronic equipment on each car to determine how many miles were driven; payment could take place electronically at filling stations.

The CBO report was requested by Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-ND), who has proposed taxing cars by the mile as a way to increase federal highway revenues.

Obama's proposal seems to follow up on that idea in section 2218 of the draft bill. That section would create, within the Federal Highway Administration, a Surface Transportation Revenue Alternatives Office. It would be tasked with creating a "study framework that defines the functionality of a mileage-based user fee system and other systems."

The administration seems to be aware of the need to prepare the public for what would likely be a controversial change to the way highway funds are collected. For example, the office is called on to serve a public relations function, as the draft says it should "increase public awareness regarding the need for an alternative funding source for surface transportation programs and provide information on possible approaches."

The draft bill says the "study framework" for the project and a public awareness communications plan should be established within two years of creating the office, and that field tests should begin within four years.

The office would be required to consider four factors in field trials: the capability of states to enforce payment, the reliability of technology, administrative costs, and "user acceptance." The draft does not specify where field trials should begin.

The new office would be funded a total of $200 million through FY 2017 for the project.

[Soul Crusher]

And you obama cultists wonder why the economy sucks? 

Hint - look in the mirror and at your messiah.   

[MCWAY]

Obama seems determine to throw away all the positive buzz he got for getting Bin Laden shot.

[Soul Crusher]

Obama seems determine to throw away all the positive buzz he got for getting Bin Laden shot.

He is screwing it up by not releasing the picture and being all shady with the doctored photos, his changing stories, etc.   

Only obama could screw something like this up.   As for this new tax - FUCK YOU OBAMA AND EVERYONE WHO SUPPORTS YOU, PISS BE UPON THEM TO! 

[225for70]

isn't there already a gas tax?

Why create more bureaucratic bullshit right now.?

[Soul Crusher]

isn't there already a gas tax?

Why create more bureaucratic bullshit right now.?

Because this is what Obama wants!   He doesnt want anyone driving cars, period.    What is so hard for people to graps by now?  He is TRYING to collapse the nation.   

[Straw Man]

Because this is what Obama wants!   He doesnt want anyone driving cars, period.    What is so hard for people to graps by now?  He is TRYING to collapse the nation.   

LOL

[Mr. Magoo]

LOL

I think 333 has really become dumber as the months go by

[Soul Crusher]

LOL

He is trying to force people into mass transportation that THEY DONT WANT.  He is trying to force peoples' choices on cars they drive.  He is intentionally skyrocketing the cost of energy so people can go anywhere, and he has even stated as such.  Shit, his whack job energy Sec said he wants to get gasoline on par with what Europeans pay, etc.  

And we already have a tax on mileage - its called the gas tax.  

so again - fuck obama and far left crazies supporting this, piss be upon them.  

[Soul Crusher]

I think 333 has really become dumber as the months go by

  

[kcballer]

It's a draft with ideas.  Some stupid, some not.  The draft is a way to get a bunch of different ideas down and look at the feasibility of them.  VMT is not the greatest idea right now, or perhaps ever, but it's an idea.  That's all.  You act like it's the law or going to be tomorrow.  Seriously it's like you've never heard of thoughts outside your own small minded realm. 

[Mr. Magoo]

 

I'm still waiting for an intelligent response to my post on energy from yesterday

[MB]

It's a draft with ideas.  Some stupid, some not.  The draft is a way to get a bunch of different ideas down and look at the feasibility of them.  VMT is not the greatest idea right now, or perhaps ever, but it's an idea.  That's all.  You act like it's the law or going to be tomorrow.  Seriously it's like you've never heard of thoughts outside your own small minded realm. 

Ideas to create more tax revenue.  Why can't we put down some ideas for decreased spending/small government. 

[Straw Man]

He is trying to force people into mass transportation that THEY DONT WANT.  He is trying to force peoples' choices on cars they drive.  He is intentionally skyrocketing the cost of energy so people can go anywhere, and he has even stated as such.  Shit, his whack job energy Sec said he wants to get gasoline on par with what Europeans pay, etc.  

And we already have a tax on mileage - its called the gas tax.  

so again - fuck obama and far left crazies supporting this, piss be upon them.  

LOL

Hey counselor - let's see the quote or even better the video of him saying this

[Soul Crusher]

Ideas to create more tax revenue.  Why can't we put down some ideas for decreased spending/small government. 

That's not part of the far left crazies' plan.   They want to stop peoples' freedom of movement.    Its all about control and cramming people into mass transportation like cattle and force everyone to live in cramped urban centers.  

[kcballer]

Ideas to create more tax revenue.  Why can't we put down some ideas for decreased spending/small government. 

"small" government is an ideological point of view.  Not an economical one.  

[Soul Crusher]

[225for70]

Obama says speculators are responsible for the oil price increase. However, the CME (Chicago Mercantile Exchange) has raised silver futures initial margin required 7-8 times, and only once for crude futures..Yes, i'm sure he has a direct line to Bernake and Timmy, who could arrange margin increases for crude futures..

[Soul Crusher]

Obama says speculators are responsible for Oil price increase. However, the CME (Chicago Mercantile Exchange) has raised silver futures initial margin required 7-8 times, and only once for crude futures..Yes, i'm sure he has a direct line to Bernake and Timmy, who could arrange margin increases.

His own panel called for gas prices to go to $7 a gallon.   

[Straw Man]

Obama says speculators are responsible for the oil price increase. However, the CME (Chicago Mercantile Exchange) has raised silver futures initial margin required 7-8 times, and only once for crude futures..Yes, i'm sure he has a direct line to Bernake and Timmy, who could arrange margin increases for crude futures..

there are also the signficant macroeconimic issues aka good old fashion supply and demand

unrest in the middle east, the tsunami in japan and the fact that a portion of the supply is controlled by a cartel

[Soul Crusher]

there are also the signficant macroeconimic issues aka good old fashion supply and demand

unrest in the middle east, the tsunami in japan and the fact that a portion of the supply is controlled by a cartel

Prices started going way up well before all of that.   It started to skyrocket with his QE2 bullshit with Big Ben/Geithner, his drilling bans, his refusal to grant new leases and permits, his dithering on the canadian pipeline, his whack jobs at the EPA, his canceling the alaska pipeline expansion, his forcing shell to cancel their $4 billion investment in alaska, etc.   

So stop the garbage by blaming things that came well after prices were already skyrocketing as a result of your messiahs' piece of shit agenda.   

[Straw Man]

Prices started going way up well before all of that.   It started to skyrocket with his QE2 bullshit with Big Ben/Geithner, his drilling bans, his refusal to grant new leases and permits, his dithering on the canadian pipeline, his whack jobs at the EPA, his canceling the alaska pipeline expansion, his forcing shell to cancel their $4 billion investment in alaska, etc.   

So stop the garbage by blaming things that came well after prices were already skyrocketing as a result of your messiahs' piece of shit agenda.   

gas is around the same price as it was in summer 2008 when Bush was POTUS

no big conspiracy to collapse the nation required (though it sure looked like we were collapsing as Bush was winding down his disastrous adminimstration)

you should find something else to roll into your conspiracy theory for more ideas

maybe you should consult with Trump

[Soul Crusher]

gas is around the same price as it was in summer 2008 when Bush was POTUS

no big conspiracy to collapse the nation required (though it sure looked like we were collapsing as Bush was winding down his disastrous adminimstration)

you should find something else to roll into your conspiracy theory for more ideas

maybe you should consult with Trump

Bush has a terrible dollar policy and notice when things started getting out of hand - after he picked Bernake for Fed Chairman.   

[Soul Crusher]

Here Comes The Police State(Mileage tax)
Ticker Forum ^ | 5/5/11 | Karl Denninger



Not content to tax your gasoline purchases, now the government wants to track exactly how far you drive - which, of course, implies tracking exactly where you drive.


The Obama administration has floated a transportation authorization bill that would require the study and implementation of a plan to tax automobile drivers based on how many miles they drive.

....



Among other things, CBO suggested that a vehicle miles traveled (VMT) tax could be tracked by installing electronic equipment on each car to determine how many miles were driven; payment could take place electronically at filling stations.



Oh yeah, that'll go over well.



You do realize, folks, that it's trivially easy to tamper with such a device unless it also stores tracks. That is, exactly where you drove, not just how far. And that tampering with such a device would be ridiculously profitable and, if tied to you via your fill-ups, would be effectively anonymous, which would make cheating impossible to prosecute.



Therefore, that couldn't be done. Therefore, the unit's identity would have to be tied to you, and the path you traveled would have to be stored and maintained in order to validate that you hadn't cheated.



The office would be required to consider four factors in field trials: the capability of states to enforce payment, the reliability of technology, administrative costs, and "user acceptance." The draft does not specify where field trials should begin.



User acceptance eh? Here's my answer:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2715716/posts

[Fury]

there are also the signficant macroeconimic issues aka good old fashion supply and demand

unrest in the middle east, the tsunami in japan and the fact that a portion of the supply is controlled by a cartel

Shocking that you leave out the ever-increasing inflation brought about by your God-King and his butt-buddy Bernanke's reckless policies.