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Immortal_Technique · « **Reply #25 on:** May 07, 2011, 06:43:53 AM »

Quote from: Dreadlifter on May 07, 2011, 04:13:04 AM

Sorry but cristiano is a choker of the highest degree when it comes to the big occasions. He's proved it time and time again.

Yes, Messi did use HGH. It was the reason he signed for Barca in the first place. Growth hormone therapy due to teh fact he was such a small kid. I wonder how freaking small he'd have been without that treatment!

I like Barca and Real. But i think the Real job is too big for moaning mourinho. He can't handle the fact there's a team so much better than his and it's bringing down the club.

I'm not sure about all of this. Ronaldo has won the champions league already for one thing. If he had Xavi and Iniesta feeding him through balls who knows what more he'd achieve. Messi himself choked in the world cup without their service.

I'm also not sure Mourinho can't handle it, as it's all just part of his strategy to piss everyone off. It worked at Chelsea and Inter. It took him two seasons with Inter to beat Barca, but he did it. He's only had one with Real so far, but he's already done exponentially better than the last few guys at Real. If it's too big a job for two time champions league victor Mourinho then who do you think SHOULD get the job? And would that new person be able to beat Barca? No.

local hero · « **Reply #26 on:** May 07, 2011, 07:18:16 AM »

i think it was summed up earlier, as a group of the best players in the world have been playing together since they were kids,,, your never going to beat that

man utd had that with there old crop of players, beckham,butt,scholes,giggs,the nevilles.. and you cant touch that kind of knowledge of each other

and the prem kills the spanish league for depth all day long, as had been said,its a two horse race each year, look at the prem, altho its been dominated by man u since its inception, youve had a whole host of clubs on the heals, from leeds, blackburn, newcastle, arsenal, chellsea and man city

as for the final, any team can be beat on the day..if it were played over legs barca would easily win

notsureifsrs · « **Reply #27 on:** May 07, 2011, 10:04:03 AM »

How do you know that he used GH?

bradistani · « **Reply #28 on:** May 07, 2011, 10:48:26 AM »

Quote from: Xerxes on May 07, 2011, 09:55:24 AM

Yeah, like the time he scored a goal in the CL final against Chelsea etc, I definitely see your point

Not even bothering to disprove this claim further as it is bullshit

he does have a point though. ronnie tends to go missing during the big games

Coach is Back! · « **Reply #29 on:** May 07, 2011, 10:50:36 AM »

Quote from: che on May 05, 2011, 07:25:16 PM

52 goals this season ,BB related on GH for many years

Then

Now

A "football" player? hahahahahahaha

che · « **Reply #30 on:** May 07, 2011, 10:54:51 AM »

Quote from: The Coach on May 07, 2011, 10:50:36 AM

A "football" player? hahahahahahaha

Yes, the best football player in the world .

What are you laughing at

Dr Dutch · « **Reply #31 on:** May 07, 2011, 11:48:07 AM »

Same initials as the Messiah....

che · « **Reply #32 on:** May 07, 2011, 12:03:12 PM »

Quote from: bradistani on May 07, 2011, 10:48:26 AM

he does have a point though. ronnie tends to go missing during the big games

Ronnie won 8 Olympias , how many Messi won ?

Jaime · « **Reply #33 on:** May 07, 2011, 12:10:13 PM »

Quote from: Immortal_Technique on May 07, 2011, 06:43:53 AM

I'm not sure about all of this. Ronaldo has won the champions league already for one thing. If he had Xavi and Iniesta feeding him through balls who knows what more he'd achieve. Messi himself choked in the world cup without their service.

I'm also not sure Mourinho can't handle it, as it's all just part of his strategy to piss everyone off. It worked at Chelsea and Inter. It took him two seasons with Inter to beat Barca, but he did it. He's only had one with Real so far, but he's already done exponentially better than the last few guys at Real. If it's too big a job for two time champions league victor Mourinho then who do you think SHOULD get the job? And would that new person be able to beat Barca? No.

How has he done exponentially better than the last few managers at real? Pellegrini would have set a points total record or some shit in the league if it wasn't for Barca.

Ronaldo is clearly not capable of the multi dimensional play that Messi brings to the table, his passing/dribbling game falls way behind.

Another factor is that this Madrid team has had more spent on it than just about any toher in history, they should be slightly better than having to camp in their own half at home against their biggest rivals without even trying to play football. It says a lot about his philosophy as a manager and his inability to create top attacking/flair teams.

Mourinho is succesfull, but he can be hugely negative. Failed experiment so far.

Immortal_Technique · « **Reply #34 on:** May 07, 2011, 12:23:16 PM »

Yeah I guess, but a big part of getting Mourinho on board was that Real hadn't got past the second round of the champions league for a while, and Mourinho#s achieved it straight away. Out of those four recent games with Barca they drew 2 and won one also, including their cup. Sure they would prefer the CL semi though yeah.

Sure they can't match Barca in the league, but to condemn someone for not being able to beat possibly the best team of all time is a tad harsh. And being negative paid off last year for Inter.

I agree though the anti-football approach is hella lame, and maybe Milito did manage to score for Mourinho against Barca where Ronaldo didn't. But I can't help but think Ronaldo in the Barca side would be friggin terrifying. He disappeared in the first leg against Barca because he's got 10 inferior guys in his team to work with. Messi's got like the other 10 best guys on earth who can read each other's minds.

I agree also with the person who said the once-in-a-generation relationship between Barca players is priceless, like Man United with Neville, Giggs, Beckham etc, so Madrid could probably spend 1000000000 more moneys and still be nowhere near as good. Allowing Mourinho time to build his squad his way and work with them and cultivate them would be a step in the right direction though. Barca didn;t get where they are by firing everyone each year. Ferguson won jack shit for a couple of years when he started with his brief to overturn Liverpool's supremacy.

225for70 · « **Reply #35 on:** May 09, 2011, 05:13:23 PM »

1. Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid) 36 x 2 = 72
2. Lionel Messi (Barcelona) 31 x 2 = 62

Pichichi standings..
1 Cristiano Ronaldo Real Madrid 37
2 Lionel Messi Barcelona 31

Updates for xerzes...

Now that Xerxes is a Bandwagon Barcelona fan goals don't matter..

che · « **Reply #36 on:** May 09, 2011, 05:51:45 PM »

Quote from: 225for70 on May 09, 2011, 05:13:23 PM

1. Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid) 33 x 2 = 66
2. Lionel Messi (Barcelona) 31 x 2 = 62
3. Antonio Di Natale (Udinese) 28 x 2 = 56
4. Mario Gomez (Bayern Munich) 27 x 2 = 54
5. Edinson Cavani (Napoli) 26 x 2 = 52
6. Papiss Cisse (Freiburg) 22 x 2 = 44
7. Dimitar Berbatov (Manchester United) 21 x 2 = 42
8. Moussa Sow (Lille) 21 x 2 = 42
9. Samuel Eto'o (Internazionale) 20 x 2 = 40
10. Kevin Gameiro (Lorient) 20 x 2 = 40

Pichichi standings..
1    Cristiano Ronaldo   Real Madrid   34
2    Lionel Messi   Barcelona    31
3    David Villa   Barcelona    18
4    Giuseppe Rossi   Villarreal    18
5    Fernando Llorente Athletic Bilbao   16
6    Álvaro Negredo   Sevilla    15
7    Roberto Soldado   Valencia    14
8    Pedro   Barcelona    13

What's point 225for70 ?

225for70 · « **Reply #37 on:** May 09, 2011, 06:03:02 PM »

Quote from: che on May 09, 2011, 05:51:45 PM

What's point 225for70 ?

It was to show that Ronaldo is going to win the coveted European golden shoe award. that's all..

Oh ya, and he's faster than Messi according to a very scientific German study.

Is it a bird? Is it a plane?...No, it's Cristiano Ronaldo." The Portuguese flyer is the fastest elite player in world football according to a study conducted by the weekly German magazine Der Spiegel.

The study indicates that, in his boots, Cristiano Ronaldo is the fastest elite player in the world, reaching an average speed of 33.6 kilometres per hour (20.88 mph), a quality he uses to full effect by blowing past defenders.

According to the study, Ronaldo supercedes Bayern Munich's Arjen Robben (32.9 kph), Arsenal's Theo Walcott (32.7 kph), Manchester United's Wayne Rooney (32.6 kph) and Arsenal's Robin Van Persie (32.1 kph). Barcelona's Balon d'Or winner Lionel Messi did not rate amongst the top five fastest players.

CR9's blazing pace has already been well documented, former coach Sir Alex Ferguson having claimed that "Ronaldo is just as fast with the ball as he is without it... maybe even faster".

Should he train with his good friend and multi world-record holding sprinter Usain Bolt, Cristiano could soon further increase his speed as he has expressed interest in working with the Jamaican and has already received advice from the sprinter with respect to efficiently using one's centre of gravity.

che · « **Reply #38 on:** May 09, 2011, 06:10:11 PM »

Quote from: 225for70 on May 09, 2011, 06:03:02 PM

It was to show that Ronaldo is going to win the coveted European golden shoe award. that's all..

Oh ya, and he's faster than Messi according to a very scientific German study.

Is it a bird? Is it a plane?...No, it's Cristiano Ronaldo." The Portuguese flyer is the fastest elite player in world football according to a study conducted by the weekly German magazine Der Spiegel.

The study indicates that, in his boots, Cristiano Ronaldo is the fastest elite player in the world, reaching an average speed of 33.6 kilometres per hour (20.88 mph), a quality he uses to full effect by blowing past defenders.

According to the study, Ronaldo supercedes Bayern Munich's Arjen Robben (32.9 kph), Arsenal's Theo Walcott (32.7 kph), Manchester United's Wayne Rooney (32.6 kph) and Arsenal's Robin Van Persie (32.1 kph). Barcelona's Balon d'Or winner Lionel Messi did not rate amongst the top five fastest players.

CR9's blazing pace has already been well documented, former coach Sir Alex Ferguson having claimed that "Ronaldo is just as fast with the ball as he is without it... maybe even faster".

Should he train with his good friend and multi world-record holding sprinter Usain Bolt, Cristiano could soon further increase his speed as he has expressed interest in working with the Jamaican and has already received advice from the sprinter with respect to efficiently using one's centre of gravity.

Good for him.

Dreadlifter · « **Reply #39 on:** May 10, 2011, 03:44:00 PM »

Quote from: notsureifsrs on May 07, 2011, 10:04:03 AM

How do you know that he used GH?

It's common knowledge. Barca was where he went because they were willing to pay for legitimate GH therapy as part of his contract.

Dreadlifter · « **Reply #40 on:** May 10, 2011, 03:50:54 PM »

Quote from: 225for70 on May 09, 2011, 06:03:02 PM

It was to show that Ronaldo is going to win the coveted European golden shoe award. that's all..

Oh ya, and he's faster than Messi according to a very scientific German study.

Is it a bird? Is it a plane?...No, it's Cristiano Ronaldo." The Portuguese flyer is the fastest elite player in world football according to a study conducted by the weekly German magazine Der Spiegel.

The study indicates that, in his boots, Cristiano Ronaldo is the fastest elite player in the world, reaching an average speed of 33.6 kilometres per hour (20.88 mph), a quality he uses to full effect by blowing past defenders.

According to the study, Ronaldo supercedes Bayern Munich's Arjen Robben (32.9 kph), Arsenal's Theo Walcott (32.7 kph), Manchester United's Wayne Rooney (32.6 kph) and Arsenal's Robin Van Persie (32.1 kph). Barcelona's Balon d'Or winner Lionel Messi did not rate amongst the top five fastest players.

CR9's blazing pace has already been well documented, former coach Sir Alex Ferguson having claimed that "Ronaldo is just as fast with the ball as he is without it... maybe even faster".

Should he train with his good friend and multi world-record holding sprinter Usain Bolt, Cristiano could soon further increase his speed as he has expressed interest in working with the Jamaican and has already received advice from the sprinter with respect to efficiently using one's centre of gravity.

He's quicker than Messi. Well at least he can sleep knowing he's better than the little guy in one parameter.

Speed ain't so important when you've got teh skill and control that Messi does. Check out the one and only Zinedine Zidane. Far from the fastest player even in his prime, but look how much that mattered to him.

Cristiano has a great reputation as regularly being one of the hardest training players at the clubs he's been at. I respect him for that. As soon as he can get his psychological aspect of his game in the same place as his physical, he'll still be number two to Messi, but he'll be a far better player.

On a side note, in the pub one day watching cristiano play (don't recall if it was for Man U, Portugal, or Real) one of the lads pipes up in reference to him "he's got a body to die for". All homo, and he still get's flamed for it whenever possible.

epic_alien · « **Reply #41 on:** May 10, 2011, 05:22:34 PM »

are you guys talking about that game they play over in europe where they play for 3 hours and cant use their hands, and the score is 0-0?

che · « **Reply #42 on:** May 10, 2011, 05:36:24 PM »

Quote from: epic_alien on May 10, 2011, 05:22:34 PM

3 hours

Real men sport bitch ,I hope this helps.

leadhead · « **Reply #43 on:** May 10, 2011, 07:30:15 PM »

Soccer is boring as hell. Gayer than "touch" or flag football

Dr Dutch · « **Reply #44 on:** May 11, 2011, 12:07:47 PM »

Quote from: leadhead on May 10, 2011, 07:30:15 PM

Soccer is boring as hell. Gayer than "touch" or flag football

European men talk soccer. In England they call it "football" for some reason.

Immortal_Technique · « **Reply #45 on:** May 11, 2011, 12:54:54 PM »

Funny Ronaldo has scored 6 goals in 2 games since this thread started!

I'm not saying he is better than Messi, but man they are both so far out in front it's scary!

225for70 · « **Reply #46 on:** May 13, 2011, 04:04:35 PM »

Quote from: Immortal_Technique on May 11, 2011, 12:54:54 PM

Funny Ronaldo has scored 6 goals in 2 games since this thread started!

I'm not saying he is better than Messi, but man they are both so far out in front it's scary!

7...

he's on his way to winning second career Golden boot...he has missed a lot of games as well

225for70 · « **Reply #47 on:** May 16, 2011, 04:19:01 PM »

Quote from: 225for70 on May 13, 2011, 04:04:35 PM

7...

he's on his way to winning second career Golden boot...he has missed a lot of games as well

Ronaldo just broke the single season scoring mark in Spain (la Liga)...

EL Mariachi · « **Reply #48 on:** May 16, 2011, 07:13:40 PM »

Quote from: bradistani on May 05, 2011, 08:10:06 PM

just look at the tables. look how tight it is amongst the top 5 or 6 in the epl.

the top 2 in la liga are way out in front. a weak league.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/default.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/spain_results/tables/default.stm

messi wouldn't have a prayer of scoring anywhere near 50 goals in the prem

Ofcourse the premier league is the best, owned by foreigner investors, premier league has more absolute topclubs than spanish,

united
chelsea
arsenal
liverpool

2 more than spain, thats the only difference, clubs like tottenham aint better than lets say valencia, and a club like blackburn rovers aint better than athletico madrid, weaker league yes but not the same as scotland come on.

If Messi played for united he would weekly make hattricks against teams like blackpool so will easily make 40 goals a season.
If barcelona played in the premier league they would be first place with a huge gap with 3rd place, that would resemble the scottish league.

EL Mariachi · « **Reply #49 on:** May 16, 2011, 07:19:46 PM »

the way i see it

barca is best right now very closely followed by manchester, then real.

barca is a little tired, i think united has a good chance in the final, excellent squad