Author Topic: OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES...economy adds 244,000 jobs in April  (Read 7843 times)

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it is still positive that 244,000 jobs were created...you guys just want to focus on the negative.....;like always
what is just really sad is that youre not even a gimmick...

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The main stat to look at is the labor particpation rate figure. 

andreisdaman

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Like always, you have your head in the clouds and don't want to face reality. This is ABSYMAL. The "official" unemployment rate went UP. And you're still yapping about a recovery. It ain't happening.

Furthermore, these same Mickey D's jobs were being ridiculed by the left, when these jobs were being touted during the Bush years. Now, that it's under Obama, all of a sudden more fast-food jobs is a boon for the economy.

When you LOSE more jobs than you create, that ain't recovery, pure and simple.

again I love it that you cite the same statistics I do when they are negative yet when they show a positive trend all of sudden they don't count...you and the other dickfaces on here do that all the time.,,.you guys have no shame in your hypocrisy

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Are you happy when your sports teams scores 9 runs, yet gives up 12?

That's what you're doing.  It's wrong, and is the complete opposite of the supposed ass kicking this thread implies.

all I did was cite that we created 244, 000 jobs last month which is the truth..sorry that hurts your feelings

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Yes, let's blow rainbows up everyone's ass in an attempt to save your God-King from the criticism he deserves.

Everything's fine, guys!  ::)

again..all you do is offer criticism but never any solution..you just sit on the fence like a bitch,whine all day and criticize..when I have asked you to come up with a solution or asked you what you would do, you decline to answer...basically you are just a professional bitcher..do you even have a job????

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The main stat to look at is the labor particpation rate figure. 

oh yeah sure..and if that was trending in Obama's favor you would say that we should look at something else....you are not objective by a long shot..another professional bitcher on here with no credibility

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again I love it that you cite the same statistics I do when they are negative yet when they show a positive trend all of sudden they don't count...you and the other dickfaces on here do that all the time.,,.you guys have no shame in your hypocrisy

PLEASE!!! You and the other members of the TK crew are in such denial, you'd probably be counted in the crowd asking for Mubarak's removal.

When the "official" unemployment rate dropped slightly from 9.0% to 8.8%, you were clucking about how awesome it was and how the recovery was booming.

Now, that the "official" unemployment rate is back up to 9.0%, you're doing more twists than a pretzel, pretending that the economy is still recovering. There's no positive trend, O slurping one, especially with well over 400,000 unemployment claims were files that same week those job additions were announced.

And, because you apparently flunked basic match, when you LOSE more jobs than you ADD, that ain't recovery. As Grape Ape said, if you score 9 runs but give up TWELVE yourself, guess what...YOU'VE LOST.

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oh yeah sure..and if that was trending in Obama's favor you would say that we should look at something else....you are not objective by a long shot..another professional bitcher on here with no credibility

Nothing in trending in the right direction.   

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Jobs Report Looks Awful Below the Surface
www.Financial Sense.com ^ | 05/06/2011 | By Michael Shedlock



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On the surface, this was the third consecutive solid jobs report, not as measured by the typical recovery, but the best back-to-back reports we have seen for years. The Payroll Survey Establishment Data showed employment up by 244,000.

At that pace of hiring, the unemployment number would ordinarily drop, but not fast.

Instead, the unemployment rate ticked up. The reason is beneath the surface, employment fell by 190,000 according to the Household Survey.

According to the Household Survey, the number of unemployed rose by 205,000. Another 131,000 dropped out of the labor force or the unemployment rate would have been even higher.

Which survey to believe?

It is hard to say on one month's data. However, during a recovery the household survey is supposed to lead. Moreover, the household survey is more consistent with three recent reports.

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Unless the Household Survey is an outlier, the implications are not good

Last month I said "It is very questionable if this pace of jobs keeps up."

Well, it kept up if the Payroll Survey is correct, it sure didn't if the Household Survey is to be believed.

Recall that the unemployment rate varies in accordance with the Household Survey not the reported headline jobs number, and not in accordance with the weekly claims data.

Digging deeper into the Household Survey, we see some more interesting data. In the last year, the civilian population rose by 1,817,000. Yet the labor force dropped by 1,099,000. Those not in the labor force rose by 2,916,000.

In January alone, a whopping 319,000 people dropped out of the workforce. In February another 87,000 people dropped out of the labor force. In March 11,000 people dropped out of the labor force. In April, 131,000 dropped out of the labor force. The 4-month total for 2011 is 548,000 people dropped out of the labor force.

Many of those millions who dropped out of the workforce would start looking if they thought jobs were available. Indeed, in a 2-year old recovery, the labor force should be rising sharply as those who stopped looking for jobs, once again started looking. Instead, an additional 548,000 people dropped out of the labor force in the first four months of the year.

Were it not for people dropping out of the labor force, the unemployment rate would be well over 11%.

As I said, the report looks good on the surface, it does not look good if you poke around in the details.

April 2011 Jobs Report

Please consider the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) April 2011 Employment Report.

Nonfarm payroll employment rose by 244,000 in April, and the unemployment rate edged up to 9.0 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Job gains occurred in several service providing industries, manufacturing, and mining.

Unemployment Rate - Seasonally Adjusted Nonfarm Employment - Payroll Survey - Monthly Look - Seasonally Adjusted



Nonfarm Employment - Payroll Survey - Annual Look - Seasonally Adjusted



Notice that employment is lower than it was 10 years ago.



Nonfarm Employment - Payroll Survey - This Month - Seasonally Adjusted



Employment in the private sector rose by 268,000 in April. Since reaching a low point in employment in February 2010, the private sector has added 2.1 million jobs—an average of 149,000 per month.

Statistically, 127,000 jobs a month is enough to keep the unemployment rate flat.

Index of Aggregate Weekly Hours



In April, the average workweek for all employees on private nonfarm payrolls was unchanged at 34.3 hours. The average workweek for production and nonsupervisory employees on private nonfarm payrolls was also unchanged at 33.6 hours.

The index of aggregate weekly hours for all employees rose by 0.3 percent over the month. Since reaching a low point in October 2009, the index has increased by 3.3 percent.

Average Hourly Earnings vs. CPI



Average hourly earnings of all employees in the private sector increased by 3 cents in April to $22.95. Hourly earnings are up 1.9 percent over the year.

Between March 2010 and March 2011, the consumer price index for all urban consumers (CPI-U) increased by 2.7 percent.

Not only are wages rising slower than the CPI, there is also a concern as to how those wage gains are distributed.

BLS Birth-Death Model Black Box

The big news in the BLS Birth/Death Model is the BLS has moved to quarterly rather than annual adjustments.

Effective with the release of January 2011 data on February 4, 2011, the establishment survey will begin estimating net business birth/death adjustment factors on a quarterly basis, replacing the current practice of estimating the factors annually. This will allow the establishment survey to incorporate information from the Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages into the birth/death adjustment factors as soon as it becomes available and thereby improve the factors.

For more details please see Introduction of Quarterly Birth/Death Model Updates in the Establishment Survey

In recent years Birth/Death methodology has been so screwed up and there have been so many revisions that it has been painful to watch.

It is possible that the BLS model is now back in sync with the real world. Moreover, quarterly rather than annual adjustments can only help the process.

The Birth-Death numbers are not seasonally adjusted while the reported headline number is. In the black box the BLS combines the two coming out with a total.

The Birth Death number influences the overall totals, but the math is not as simple as it appears. Moreover, the effect is nowhere near as big as it might logically appear at first glance.

Do not add or subtract the Birth-Death numbers from the reported headline totals. It does not work that way.

Birth/Death assumptions are supposedly made according to estimates of where the BLS thinks we are in the economic cycle. Theory is one thing. Practice is clearly another as noted by numerous recent revisions.

Birth-Death Number Revisions

Inquiring minds note enormous backward revisions in Birth-Death reporting.

Birth Death Model (as reported in January)



Birth Death Model Revisions 2010 (as reported February)



Is this new model going to reflect reality going forward?

That's hard to say, but things were so screwed up before that it is unlikely to be any worse. One encouraging sign is several negative numbers in the recent chart. January would have been negative too, had they shown it. Historically there were only 2 negative number every year, January and July. That anomaly broke November of 2010.

Birth Death Model April 2011



Do NOT subtract 175,000 from the headline number. That is statistically invalid.

Household Data



In the last year, the civilian population rose by 1,817,000. Yet the labor force dropped by 1,099,000. Those not in the labor force rose by 2,916,000.

Were it not for people dropping out of the labor force, the unemployment rate would be well over 11%.

Table A-8 Part Time Status



There are now 8,600,000 workers whose hours may rise before those companies start hiring more workers.

Note the number rose by 167,000 in the last month

Table A-15

Table A-15 is where one can find a better approximation of what the unemployment rate really is.



Distorted Statistics

Given the total distortions of reality with respect to not counting people who allegedly dropped out of the work force, it is hard to discuss the numbers.

The official unemployment rate is 9.9%. However, if you start counting all the people that want a job but gave up, all the people with part-time jobs that want a full-time job, all the people who dropped off the unemployment rolls because their unemployment benefits ran out, etc., you get a closer picture of what the unemployment rate is. That number is in the last row labeled U-6.

While the "official" unemployment rate is an unacceptable 9.0%, U-6 is much higher at 15.9%.

Things are much worse than the reported numbers would have you believe, and this month's report was exceptionally weak beneath the surface.


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Good graphs at site.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2716564/posts

andreisdaman

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Nothing in trending in the right direction.   

if it were would you care?

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if it were would you care?

Its not going to since everything obama lin laden is doing is intended to destroy jobs not create them, that is unless you want to work the fyer at mickey d's.   

andreisdaman

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PLEASE!!! You and the other members of the TK crew are in such denial, you'd probably be counted in the crowd asking for Mubarak's removal.

When the "official" unemployment rate dropped slightly from 9.0% to 8.8%, you were clucking about how awesome it was and how the recovery was booming.

Now, that the "official" unemployment rate is back up to 9.0%, you're doing more twists than a pretzel, pretending that the economy is still recovering. There's no positive trend, O slurping one, especially with well over 400,000 unemployment claims were files that same week those job additions were announced.

And, because you apparently flunked basic match, when you LOSE more jobs than you ADD, that ain't recovery. As Grape Ape said, if you score 9 runs but give up TWELVE yourself, guess what...YOU'VE LOST.

I stated that 244,000 jobs were created and thats a positive sign.....I am sorry your feelings were hurt by that O penis sucker...try to be more objective in the future...if you can't be, then stick to making posts about fake supplements that only seem to work for you...you'll be happier that way

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You are looking at 244k as if that is a good thing? 

Considering the decreasing the labor particpation rate, the increasing population, the amounbt of people leaving the work force, the horrible policies of obama, obama induced inflation on energy and food, etc, its a freaking joke. 


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You are looking at 244k as if that is a good thing? 

Considering the decreasing the labor particpation rate, the increasing population, the amounbt of people leaving the work force, the horrible policies of obama, obama induced inflation on energy and food, etc, its a freaking joke. 



people leave the workforce all the time....thats nothing new..this especially happens when the economy is in trouble..they often come back at a later time once things improve.....you act as all of these people just sit home and collect welfare for the rest of their lives....and the labor participation rate is not Obama's fault..thats been going down for years

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people leave the workforce all the time....thats nothing new..this especially happens when the economy is in trouble..they often come back at a later time once things improve.....you act as all of these people just sit home and collect welfare for the rest of their lives....and the labor participation rate is not Obama's fault..thats been going down for years

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Obama is putting more on welfare, food stamps, etc purposeful to collapse the nation and create votes.  Even the CBO said bamacare will hurt the workforce.

Everything this asshole is doing is to create dependency and chaos.       

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all I did was cite that we created 244, 000 jobs last month which is the truth..sorry that hurts your feelings

It doesn't hurt my feelings at all.    Same analogy, you're happy your team scored 9 and you're celebrating it.  The other team scored more.

If you started a thread called "244,000 jobs created", you'd have a point.  But you didn't, you said it implied that 333 was wrong, when the whole story shows he's right.
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I stated that 244,000 jobs were created and thats a positive sign.....I am sorry your feelings were hurt by that O penis sucker...try to be more objective in the future...if you can't be, then stick to making posts about fake supplements that only seem to work for you...you'll be happier that way

It's time for remedial math for you, TK poster boy. If 244,000 jobs are created and at least 244,001 are lost, that is NOT a positive sign.

And let's not even go there with the "fake supplements". Or do I need to remind you of YOUR PURCHASES of those very same supplements and your BRAGGING ABOUT it, because you got them cheap, just like me?

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It's time for remedial math for you, TK poster boy. If 244,000 jobs are created and at least 244,001 are lost, that is NOT a positive sign.

And let's not even go there with the "fake supplements". Or do I need to remind you of YOUR PURCHASES of those very same supplements and your BRAGGING ABOUT it, because you got them cheap, just like me?

HAHAHAH....you're melting down.....calm down, go into the kitchen, and drink a glass of cell-tech..you'll feel better from all the sugar :D

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HAHAHAH....you're melting down.....calm down, go into the kitchen, and drink a glass of cell-tech..you'll feel better from all the sugar :D

Hardly!! I simply used the larger letters, because you are woefully myopic. (BTW, you were the one bragging about the 14 pounds of CELL-TECH you bought dirt-cheap).

The comic relief of watching you try to spin net job loss (that's when you lose more jobs than you create) into economic growth is keeping me in stitches.

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McWays' analogy is dead on. 

We are taking one step forward, two steps back each month.   Yet - TK is so desperate to point to anything positive they over look this.   

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Hardly!! I simply used the larger letters, because you are woefully myopic. (BTW, you were the one bragging about the 14 pounds of CELL-TECH you bought dirt-cheap).

The comic relief of watching you try to spin net job loss (that's when you lose more jobs than you create) into economic growth is keeping me in stitches.

I waited a few minutes to post this to give you time to drink your glass of grape cell-tech after your meltdown....hope you are nice and calm now...I know these debates really get you going..you need to begin to be more open-minded and stop taking the conservative point of view no matter what.....try and show that you have some critical thinking skills and don't follow the herd...especially when the herd is led by 3333..show some independence.....

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Andre - you are also neglecting the trillions in debt obama spent to get this horrible result.   So we have A historically weak ass shit "recovery", not to mention debt close to WW2 levels as a percentage of GDP. 

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Andre - you are also neglecting the trillions in debt obama spent to get this horrible result.   So we have A historically weak ass shit "recovery", not to mention debt close to WW2 levels as a percentage of GDP. 

I will go ahead and acknowledge that Obama has spent a lot of money...and yes it has added to our debt which I hate.....but we forget that a lot of expert economists at the time felt that we should stimulate the economy by spending money......was it the right decision in retrospect?..I don't know..maybe not.....but you should also acknowledge that Obama saved the auto and banking industries with his loans program.....which the banks and the auto companies paid back WITH INTEREST,,the American people made money on those deals and saved thousands upon thousands of jobs....

Imagine what the economy would look like today if the auto industry had collapsed....WOW

 

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I will go ahead and acknowledge that Obama has spent a lot of money...and yes it has added to our debt which I hate.....but we forget that a lot of expert economists at the time felt that we should stimulate the economy by spending money......was it the right decision in retrospect?..I don't know..maybe not.....but you should also acknowledge that Obama saved the auto and banking industries with his loans program.....which the banks and the auto companies paid back WITH INTEREST,,the American people made money on those deals and saved thousands upon thousands of jobs....

Imagine what the economy would look like today if the auto industry had collapsed....WOW

 

He didnt save anything.   He handed them a blank check.   Any failing business can survive with blank checks.   

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Hardly!! I simply used the larger letters, because you are woefully myopic. (BTW, you were the one bragging about the 14 pounds of CELL-TECH you bought dirt-cheap).

The comic relief of watching you try to spin net job loss (that's when you lose more jobs than you create) into economic growth is keeping me in stitches.

You gave him math that he could not counter, or possibly, comprehend.  You got a cell-tech response.  Take it as a victory.
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