I don't get this whole HEATH-width-thing??

[gh15]

dont try to push on them someone only because he has been decided to be new face of bodybuilding because of marketability! ,,he look liek balooned up black fella ,,version of richards from the 80s only on mega hgh and insulina!,,,he is not even remotely close to any of the top 80s and top 90s bodybuilders,,he is hgh and insulina SMOOTH LIKE BABY BUTT,,by the use of diuretic he get into competition condition that can never be shredded or peeled only ripped due to lower bodyfat between skin and muscle,,,but inside the muscle a whollle diff story ,,HE IS A DOUGH BOY INSIDE THE MUSCLE,,,

he is not what bodybuild should be! he is  B U N K

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[gh15]

oh and one more thing,,richards was 10 times better because his size was real,,solid real size! he didnt count on insulina and hgh in mega doses from china....get big and lean ....phil heath is all chinease products written all over him ,,now yes chinease products can be good ...but you need foundation ,,,,you dont just jump from 200lb on mega dose insulina and hgh...you start slower...you BUILD FOUNDATION ,,take you number of extra years,,but! you have this foundation ,,,take one look at his abs...fella never even did a crunch in his life time,,thi sis all lean balooned fake size from insulina and hgh ,,,this size is artifical balooned ,,,lean low bodyfat but artificial size to the absolit maximus

skin is so thick ..just not what mr o shoudl look like ...now if you ron colman you can do what you want but phil heath doesnt have ron colman freakiness,, he doesnt sell 240lb as well as ron colman sold 240lb ....

he is 215lb on stage size right now trying to be pushed into 245lb body,,not even remotely close to levrone,,condition is diff ,,muscle development is diff,,maturity ,,he lack in so many aspects....
but yes he is low bodyfat ...and has good muscle shape...

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[mass243]

Gh15, are you saying we might never see Phil with striated kidneys ?

[che]

,,he is not even remotely close to any of the top 80s and top 90s bodybuilders,,

I disagree ,I think he's the closest thing to the 90's bodybuilders ,I don't care what he looks like off-season , on stage he looks better than 99% of IFBB pro's

[Meso_z]

Where exactly is he narrow?

Me neither...I see full, thick pecs..and ok width.

[Meso_z]

I disagree ,I think he's the closest thing to the 90's bodybuilders ,I don't care what he looks like off-season , on stage he looks better than 99% of IFBB pro's

I believe he has the most complete, symmetrical and conditioned back double bi of any top pro.

[gh15]

youll never see him with dorian condition not even in colorado pro ...because even then he was on gh and insulina in moderate doses,,

dont you see the skin tecture all look same....thick skin ,,,folds of skin ,,when sit down can never see the abs clearly due to skin folds...only before competition after diuretic at sub 5% you do even then not always,,,same look of skin to kai an to phil,,,but kai has foundation ...

generally speaking the skin is very very thick ,,,phillip has low bodyfat yes who wont on so much gh and aas...anyone would..he got good muscle shape but he got HORRID horrid structure,,and his size is blown btu not blown foundation ,,it is blown with insulina that take everything and put it into the muscle...the gh keep him lean ,,his muscle shape is genetic...but! his shredded peeles dexter like condition is gone gone gone,,youll never see a sean ray or dexter jax or dorian yates condition on phil heath ...firs tbecause he doesnt have their level of development and level of lean muscle that is built on foundation ,,,and second because he wanted everything fast...he is prime example of someone who blew up on HORMONES and had good muscle shape ....take out the hormones for 6 months LISTEN TO ME 6 MONTHS NOT 12 NOT 18 ...6 MONTHS...and he is sub 185 and 9-10% bodyfat...im talking here 6 months with absolitly no hormones..

185 or less 9-10% bodyfat

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[EspenG]

Phil has some great bodyparts and some good poses. But, has a strange look - and in some of the more important poses, like the FDB and FLS, he does not look particularly good - at least not like a Mr.O should look...

Pic from last year... with a mediocre middleweight. Not exactly dwarfing the Aussie amateur. You get it now? (End of thread)

[gh15]

I disagree ,I think he's the closest thing to the 90's bodybuilders ,I don't care what he looks like off-season , on stage he looks better than 99% of IFBB pro's

no my friend,,,very very wrong,,he is SMOOTH ,,look lower back 2 sides of spine...you see fibers? you see straitions? look in the xmas tree,,yous ee any straitions? this is highly important!! he only is low bodyfat ,,,and look liek baby butt smooth in comparison to the greats such as dex ron dorian samir,,,he has very thick skin VERY THICK,,not geneticaly but due to mega dose insulina and hgh ,,with out insulina he is not even being able to stand on stage and place....he is not genetic marvel i keep telling you this,,,he is low bodyfat,,but take a close look at the back....sliced and good muscle shape doesnt mean highly conditioned! he is screaming hgh and insulina on high dose... no striations and he is not extremly big there he is 235-245 somewhere in between ...and absolitly nothing that scream peeled on the back...why? because he maxed out at 215...this is when he was taking the optimal hgh and insulina that gave him best results...after that he was just adding dough ,,again low bodyfat ...anyone can have...look at middle east bodybuild.. a great bodybuild wil have their condition ....with ron colman dorian yates size...or will hav esamir condition nnwith less fake size...what phil heath is B U N K size friends


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[gh15]

Pic from last year... with a mediocre middleweight. Not exactly dwarfing the Aussie amateur. You get it now? (End of thread)

he actualy is very bad bodybuild for the level he compete at,,it is the thickness due to hormones from front to back that gets him impressive to judges...and the muscle shape....when it comes to actual true size...and when it comes to peeled condition he fails miserebly on both and usualy you bring mr o to improve,,phillip heath can not improve only go backwords,,,you will see he is done growing...the reason he is done growing is because he is foundationless,,he is maxed at 215-220

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[mesmorph78]

he has good muscle shape ill give him that
but lets flip the script

who on the mr o stage is phil wider than???

[gh15]

I believe he has the most complete, symmetrical and conditioned back double bi of any top pro.

symterical ....yes...proprtionate yes from the back in double bi ...not when relaxed since he is all arms...,,,and this is why he is smaller fella,,,smaller fellas have it usualy ,,that why i keep saying his weight is 215 -220 not the numbers he try to reach

look at the back ,,it is not dry enough,,it is not peeled,,it has low bodyfat yes but the  fat is within muscle...yes levrone had same thing but his condition was better because he didnt abuse insulina at those levels...not as much as phillip but even levrone couldnt nail it because of this reason but still day and night between the 2 ,,levrone actualy have muscle at 180...phillip would have nothing he would be into the high singles lowe doubles at 180 with no hormones...levrone would still keep single digit and will be much denser and much more muscular at this weight,,he just have better foundation ,,,phillip heath disapear if he go off hormones ,,he is like someone who never touch weight with hormones out of system for 6 months +


yes he has xmas tree..is it mr o level ? go look at frank zane ,,,or haney ,,, or  samir...or dorian....or ron at his prime...  


the fact someone has good muscle shape or great muscle shape does not make him phenominal bodybuilder,,,the fact he blow up on hormoens doesnt make him phenominal bodybuilder,,the fact he uses seo doesnt make him phenominal bodybuilder,,, what make pne phenominal bodybuilder is taking a physiqe with foundation and create it into a statue...then blow it up...

see ron colman 1998 to 2003,,even before 1998 ron had foundation he always had it

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[che]

he actualy is very bad bodybuild for the level he compete at,,it is the thickness due to hormones from front to back that gets him impressive to judges...and the muscle shape....when it comes to actual true size...and when it comes to peeled condition he fails miserebly on both and usualy you bring mr o to improve,,phillip heath can not improve only go backwords,,,you will see he is done growing...the reason he is done growing is because he is foundationless,,he is maxed at 215-220

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I understand what you are saying , but I think he looks 1000 X better than the Arnold Champion

[Meso_z]

symterical ....yes...proprtionate yes from the back in double bi ...not when relaxed since he is all arms...,,,and this is why he is smaller fella,,,smaller fellas have it usualy ,,that why i keep saying his weight is 215 -220 not the numbers he try to reach

look at the back ,,it is not dry enough,,it is not peeled,,it has low bodyfat yes but the  fat is within muscle...yes levrone had same thing but his condition was better because he didnt abuse insulina at those levels...not as much as phillip but even levrone couldnt nail it because of this reason but still day and night between the 2 ,,levrone actualy have muscle at 180...phillip would have nothing he would be into the high singles lowe doubles at 180 with no hormones...levrone would still keep single digit and will be much denser and much more muscular at this weight,,he just have better foundation ,,,phillip heath disapear if he go off hormones ,,he is like someone who never touch weight with hormones out of system for 6 months +


yes he has xmas tree..is it mr o level ? go look at frank zane ,,,or haney ,,, or  samir...or dorian....or ron at his prime...  


the fact someone has good muscle shape or great muscle shape does not make him phenominal bodybuilder,,,the fact he blow up on hormoens doesnt make him phenominal bodybuilder,,the fact he uses seo doesnt make him phenominal bodybuilder,,, what make pne phenominal bodybuilder is taking a physiqe with foundation and create it into a statue...then blow it up...

see ron colman 1998 to 2003,,even before 1998 ron had foundation he always had it

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true..

[gh15]

let me tell you a little secret...you see a bodybuild ...flip him and make him flex back doubel bi....insted of looking at his arm and thikn they are not big enough ...look at the lower back ...cut the back into 2 sections lower and upper...upper back is always good with all bodybuilders lol

now lower back...take a look at the x the x that cuts the xmas tree alomot like slice it as in x go through the xmas tree...that x need to be very clear and define and it is with every great bodybuilder,,look at phil heath...the upper parts of the x are watery ...bloofy....they are not hard enough nor dry enough...this is the hardest part for a bodybuilder to bring out...if he can see it cutting through the muscle....( its wrapping the kidnys you from both side...) if you can see it cutting through the muscle you will also see straitions on the kidnys and in the xmas tree...

if you have thar! you are mr o worthy,,,phil heath dont have it and never will,,,he cant anymore,,individuals that abuse insulina unles freak of nature like ron colman do not have this,,phil heath lives on insulina like diabetic,,,

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[gh15]

look at levrone ,,even with this shitty pictures you can see the x SLICING  the lowr back into the muscle,,cutting through,,and thisi s on insulina! he is drier,,just better condition

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[che]

let me tell you a little secret...you see a bodybuild ...flip him and make him flex back doubel bi....insted of looking at his arm and thikn they are not big enough ...look at the lower back ...cut the back into 2 sections lower and upper...upper back is always good with all bodybuilders lol

now lower back...take a look at the x the x that cuts the xmas tree alomot like slice it as in x go through the xmas tree...that x need to be very clear and define and it is with every great bodybuilder,,look at phil heath...the upper parts of the x are watery ...bloofy....they are not hard enough nor dry enough...this is the hardest part for a bodybuilder to bring out...if he can see it cutting through the muscle....( its wrapping the kidnys you from both side...) if you can see it cutting through the muscle you will also see straitions on the kidnys and in the xmas tree...

if you have thar! you are mr o worthy,,,phil heath dont have it and never will,,,he cant anymore,,individuals that abuse insulina unles freak of nature like ron colman do not have this,,phil heath lives on insulina like diabetic,,,

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Jay doesn't have that and he won 4

[gh15]

Jay doesn't have that and he won 4

but jason has foundation!!,, he had it...he had it before when he was still very large....he just ruined himself later on ....but he was going head to head with ron colman for many years and htat ruined him,,,he did have very good foundation back int he days when he was competing against mike matarazzo and the rest...jason can nto be compared to heath ...he HAS FOUNDATION

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[MB]

I understand what you are saying , but I think he looks 1000 X better than the Arnold Champion

He will beat Branch, but that speaks more to the lack of quality competition than it does to Phil's dominance.

[che]

but jason has foundation!!,, he had it...he had it before when he was still very large....he just ruined himself later on ....but he was going head to head with ron colman for many years and htat ruined him,,,he did have very good foundation back int he days when he was competing against mike matarazzo and the rest...jason can nto be compared to heath ...he HAS FOUNDATION

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OK  GH15 , I'll stop arguing or people are going to think that I give a fuck about BB

[FREAKgeek]

artificial, soft, thick skin, and abs looked liked they've never done crunches

...and no foundation

[wes]

Heaths back double bi,blows Branchs` out of the water.

GH15 has some valid points,but Heath will be Mr. O one day IMO.

[gh15]

artificial, soft, thick skin, and abs looked liked they've never done crunches

...and no foundation

no soft just not dry enough...he is all insulina gh,,light hit him right here still not dry

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[gh15]

Back double bi,blows branchs` out of the water.

GH15 has some valid points,but Heath will be Mr. O one day IMO.

thats because warren is 5'5 and try to be 240-250...warren has foundation though,,,still a mess ,,still horrid ,,but has foundation

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[Jadeveon Clowney]

Jay has relative small clavicles too, it's all balloony muscle without serious foundation, and yes, I saw Jay in person.

lol - don't know how else to respond.