LORD.. i love how if you talk about phil's physique you are somehow a hater lol.. look, if you cant see how narrow his structure is then thank the lord you are not judging contests.. they would be more screwed up than they already are..
phil is extremely narrow.. look at relaxed poses.. look at pictures at expos were he is standing relaxed.. no width at all.. it is just a structural flaw he can do nothing about.. not hating on him.. it is what it is..
take away his arms and you have a average pro bodybuilder.. no other bodyparts really standout.. but at this point in bodybuilding history you can go very far with great arms and averge other bodyparts.. we see this all the time now.. in this regard he should not be beating jay anytime ..ever..
il will say that phils most muscular poses are some of the best.. the arms really standout and take away from his lack of weaker bodyparts..
as for jay having narrow clavicles.. please.. look at jay relaxed from behind.. wide as hell.. look at photos of phil relaxed from behind.. one hell of a alot of difference.. now can phil be mr o.. yes, when jay retires.. he is well spoken and a pretty classy guy and that is what they are looking for.. llord know they have marketed the hell out of him.. but should he be mr o? not unless everyone else is just way off.. i hear he is agreat guy.. and i respect that.. just stating from a structure standpoint..