i will tell you exactly why friend,,the human body has limits of how much muscle it can carry in suprior condition ,,it is a lmit applied to all humans no matter color race anything of the such,,this limit runs at the 10lb zone for naturals...aka they can differ from eachother 10lb max when all in top condition NATURALLY due to bone ...frame...etc again i am talking same condition truly natural bodybuild 10 lb difference for same heights same bf%
now,, the most importa thing to remember is what true natural spot...and this is highly imprtant for the true natural among yourselves,,the ones who dont lie ,,few of them around but i feel for them ,,their numbers are being surpassed by hormonized liars and their numbers should be proudly presented for all to see for their great achievments,,
those numbers are..
5'10 180 lb 8% bodyfat....
6'2 200lb 6% bodyfat
5'7 145-150lb 6% bodyfat
those are the fellas who need be soluted for their dedication and no surrender to temtation ,,not the liars around you that floded the cult,,its shame for you to bring up new technics in the last 30 years ...because there are NONE ,,only diff is then there was only aas and now there is bnunch of hormones aside from aas inaddition to aas... thats the ONLLLLY diff,,
food is food ,,back then it was BETTER food more organic ...more simple..
some of you fellas really lost your head,,really really living in a dream land where you try to lie and for what? you dont gain anything ,,you dont make money from this ..you are not sagi kalev ,,you are not top models that grace covers all over the world ..you dont have the face to go with the body,,so why the lies? to prove to jen the 19 year old that you met on the beach that you were born geneticaly gifted? dont you think jenny knows you selling her balonie because jenny has a girlfriend that is married to a true bodybuilder,,or will have a girlfriend that date a true bodybuilder...that will be hones with her,,,dont you understand that jenny at the end of the day will figure out that you cant go to sleep with her same times because you are on high from the trenbolona and cant fall asleep? dont you understand she will get it when she find out you want to hump her every day 5 times a day and she dont want to do it...dont you understand jenny will at the end try to move in with you and be in your life and will figure out things and then will kick your sorry ass away because you lied to her all this time and kept your mouth shut?
you americano fellas really think you fool anyone? do you really think she wont be able to use steroids to police if something happen ....you think by you not tellin her you inject hormones she will just be like ok he is all natual ...i can see his muscles are very visible and he maintain lots of size but he was just working very hard ...how long will you be able to sell it to jenny? 2 months? if she dont get it after then jenny will never get anythign and is not worthy of consideration as a girlfriend...because she is dumb and wil be dumb about many things not steroid related
how much do you think you can walk around smiling at the true natural laughin at him behind your back because you are 10lb bigger lieing to everyone you are natural yet on turinabol ,,,oxandrolone,,halodrol,,who do you thin you are fooling?
you really think people are dumb thats the problem,,people are not dumb ,,
the only time to not talk abotu hormones is when you train a client and some fellas come around and say ...hey how do you get your waist so small thats what i wanna know...and then tell you oh my buddy is a bodybuilder you have very high ork morals and consistancy yada dee yada daa...thats hen you smile and say you eat fish all day as a quick get out BECAUSE YOU ARE TRAINING A CLIENT AND DONT ANT TO MAKE A SCENE IN GYM
but the reality of things is this....and listen closely mr posting originator...
today 40 year old women....that train in gyms and come to tone up a bit ...getting fed up with ANAVAR BY THEIR TRAINERS,,THATY CHARGE THEM 500 BUCKS FOR 100 PILLS..DO YOU FUCKIN KNOW THAT?? WHY DONT YOU ASK MICHAEL ARVILLA IF HE KNOWS ABOUT STUFF LIKE THAT IN AMERICANA ,,
many of you are ignorant,,many of you feed your clients and im talkin about bodybuilders that feed their client drugs like oxandrolone ..women who dotn want drugs but you want them to get results and too lasy to train them right ...so you feed them some anavar..and those omen take it 40 year old house wives nurses that just want to become 120 insted of 127 .... and yet you feed them this balonie,,so WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU LIEING TO>

40 year old girls using anavar that rarely even touch or experienced with weight ...
you got her ebunch of stinky liars that are mentaly ill,,
really shame
gh15 approved
here... let's give these dumb asses a little example...
after 4 years of training, dieting like a maniac, carrying my tupperware to college and eating cold chicken breasts, tuna, boiled potatoes... dieting for nearly 8 months to get ready... my best was 165 lbs at 8-10% fat (this was after 3 runs of prohormones (androsteindiol with 19-norandro for 6 weeks, M1T for 4 weeks 9 months before the comp and hitting 200 lbs with a 38 inch waist, superdrol 2 or 4 weeks out (i don't remember)) ... and i was only at that body weight because of the prohormones... i'm 5'7 btw...
the guy next to me is on the sauce btw... i know this because i'm very good friends with his dealer, who is my dealer also... and when i told him i think he's natural he laughed and said "if you only knew... I sold him the stuff to get ready"
the last pic is exactly 15 months later... 20 lbs heavier and leaner... My diet was bullshit that a trainer wrote up for me (don't want to mention his name cuz i don't need any drama here) and i was surprised how a diet like that would get me lean and big like this...
even the training... when he explained how i should train and how little cardio i should do is said "are you serious? that's it?"...
and now you know... idiots. (i only say that because i was one at one time)