J-rod 11 weeks out of team universe

[Jack T. Cross]

actually i think my buddy was on a tiny cycle! lol!
test prop eod @ 100 mg later on 50 mg
tren @ 50mg eod and some primo... really not that much!
and hgh just @ 2iu's because he is 40 plus.
he is very tiny and short, those guys need less... less mass=less mg of steroids to reach same results...
but i understand what you are saying.
i just know that those numbers mentioned by loco are not possible au natural...

Yes, what you described before is a modest stack, but with a small body it should do the job.  Especially for a non-"all drugs" person who actually enjoyed doing the work.

As for someone like loco, I'm willing to keep an open mind, but it requires believing that the person has top, elite genetics for this type of activity.  Funny thing is, there seems to be A LOT of people claiming to be in that group - which kind of defeats the idea of "top, elite" concept, lol.

gh15 described something once, and I have to believe it.  He described a certain psychological profile where the person has a hangup about their stats.  Being sub-200 causes them to deny, deny, deny when it comes to juice, as they feel it's embarrassing to be so "small" while gassed.

[Krankenstein]

the answer is  Y E S ,, no i wont reveal who i am if i did id never be back as gh15 and im afraid for my family safety

gh15 approved

Because of how "fearless" you are....

The guys winning the pro cards are the ones sucking the judges cocks.  Prove to everyone that is incorrect.  You are a huge fag...why is it you won't speak of the amount of G4P you have done.  EVERY pro has...that must mean you have.  Prove to everyone that is incorrect.

[OptimusPrime1980]

Yes, what you described before is a modest stack, but with a small body it should do the job.  Especially for a non-"all drugs" person who actually enjoyed doing the work.

As for someone like loco, I'm willing to keep an open mind, but it requires believing that the person has top, elite genetics for this type of activity.  Funny thing is, there seems to be A LOT of people claiming to be in that group - which kind of defeats the idea of "top, elite" concept, lol.

gh15 described something once, and I have to believe it.  He described a certain psychological profile where the person has a hangup about their stats.  Being sub-200 causes them to deny, deny, deny when it comes to juice, as they feel it's embarrassing to be so "small" while gassed.

gh15 uses his experience and common sense!
a human body is a human body....
ronnie, palumbo, you and even litlle old me.
we all work the same, with little difference here and there.... litlle not big difference!
so..... leaves us with muscle shape and body shape, that is your mammie and daddies department... that is genetics..!
ultimately drugs..... everyone responds, some a little better than others.. but everyone!
the big difference here are side effects!
some peolle can not handle the doses it takes to compete at high level....
some people get gyno just sniffing a durateston ampoule...
lol..... than you can forget it.... nice titties are yours to be had!

[liljj]

Great build! But anyone who's been around the iron game for awhile knows you're full of sht.

Judging buy your timeline picture a few things are apparent:

You have average genetics (at best)
You starting using hormones quite early in your lifting career
You know what works for you and know how to dial in and get in shape

[Max B]

everyone that thinks he or that cordova clown is natural is a dick riding loser.. u really have no idea... go play a sport for the first time in ur life or something. the closest ive seen to conditioning that is similar to these guys as a natural is a kid who is 6'1 and weights about 165 on a good day.   his conditioning is close but the muscle mass is nowhere near rodriguez

[Tito24]

all real natural bodybuilders on stage look like grasshoppers, do they somewhat look good then they are on juice.

[body88]

As with most tough questions, the answer to this debate falls somewhere in the middle.

It is reasonable to expect there are some naturals with upper echelon genetics that can maintain a full muscular physique at a low body fat. It is also reaonable to call bullshit on hyper muscular dudes that are full and RIPPED as naturals. Add up all the opinions within this thread and divide by common sense for the answer.

If this J Rod guy is natural, he has some of the most wicked genetics I have ever seen. I have decent to good genetics. Small joints, small waist wide shoulders, decent quad sweep potential (at about 5'11). Honestly, the same type of shape as J Rod with the shitty high calves.

When I was in college I was a delusional bodybuilding fan. I decided to go for it and worked with a national level competitor. I was super regimented - diet was on point, and I trained my balls of for 4 years (been training since I was 14). When dieted down, I was about a buck 55- 60. To compete at over 170 at 5'10 under 6%? Only if you are a mega freak or a total mesomorph which this guy is not. I was always FLAT. The fullness makes me think he's a bullshitter.

[loco]

In my experience, building muscle is the easy part.  Trying to maintain the muscle at an unnaturally low body fat is a whole different world.  What consumes fat, consumes muscle.

Maybe I did lose some muscle while dieting, maybe not.  So what?  Still at 5'6, I ended up at 160 lbs at 6% bf.  

What you say here maybe true for hard gainers, but I'm not a hard gainer.  It has always been easy for me to build muscle mass, but I have always had a hard time with fat.  I get fat easily and I have a hard time losing fat.  Hard gainers stay lean even when they eat pizza, hamburgers and fries all the time.  I can't do that.  But hard gainers also have a hard time building muscle mass and have to work more at it.

I dieted many times before, not for a contest, and lost neither fat nor muscle.  So I would diet even harder and do more cardio and like you said, I did lose a lot of muscle along with the fat.

But years later, once I got the knowledge about dieting for a contest and once I got to know my body better, losing the fat very slowly, while keeping my weights heavy and my protein high, and not doing cardio excessively, only then I was able to keep most of my muscle mass during and after dieting.  Like I said, I am not a hard gainer.  I don't lose muscle that easily.

[body88]

Anyone ever see that picture of Ronnie Coleman as a young teen?  With the big ole biceps?  That was natural, that was pure genetics.

Look at Jrod's picture by the waterfall.  Do the math.

True, he's also a thick boned pure mesomorph that happens to have a small waist.  Jrod is a light framed guy.

[Tito24]

[Tito24]

[gh15]

Because of how "fearless" you are....

The guys winning the pro cards are the ones sucking the judges cocks.  Prove to everyone that is incorrect.  You are a huge fag...why is it you won't speak of the amount of G4P you have done.  EVERY pro has...that must mean you have.  Prove to everyone that is incorrect.

bobbie never sucked cock... you seen his wifey? she was annoying when she was younger but still didnt look like a man to me ,,actualy very attractive,,
ummmm jason never sucked a cock...you seen his wifey? nto the best looking girl but defenitely in shape and good body,,have you seen sharis wife? barbara is not ugly she is quite cute ,,he didnt suck no cock,, have you seen peter putnams wife? she is not my type but defenitely fuckable....he didnt suck no cock,,many many straight no homo bodybuilders around,,MANY,,some are homos some are not,,dont just scream gay for pay when its not always true,,some are some are not...

gh15 approved

[jrod]

Team jroid (gh15, brospore, etc.) I wanna say thanks for keeping the party alive when I was gone.  Damn fine job of keeping this at the top for a third day.  Lets keep my 15 minutes going, my friends.  Now let me go back and read the last 6 pages I've missed.

Let me say ahead of time, that if I miss your post or don't respond to it, I apologize, there is a lot of important shit to get through here and I'll do my best to get to yours.  

Jroid approved!

[el numero uno]

I don't know who those other guys you mentioned are but the 202 guys are all about 62-65 inches tall. Jeff is 69 inches tall. So 20 lbs less and 4-7 inches taller isn't even close. I know Jeff and have watched him train over the past 5 years. No one including Zane trains as hard or as scientificly as Jeff does. And Zane didn't have the same genetics for gaining muscle that Jeff has. You all need to remember that Zane rose to the top because he represented an attainable physique. Besides, I don't see Frank Zane calling Jeff a liar.

Everyone at Bodybuilding.com was right about this place. Nothing but losers and haters. Cmon Jeff, let's take our hard work and dedication elsewhere. Its clearly not welcome here.

You must be a really really stupid guy IRL, I feel sorry for you.

[OptimusPrime1980]

Anyone ever see that picture of Ronnie Coleman as a young teen?  With the big ole biceps?  That was natural, that was pure genetics.

Look at Jrod's picture by the waterfall.  Do the math.

that pic was in college...
college football.
those teens pop dbols and use test and whatever.
so no ,not natural in those pics.

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

At least give credit that I came up with the name jroid you little cumguzzler. 

[gh15]

Great build! But anyone who's been around the iron game for awhile knows you're full of sht.

Judging buy your timeline picture a few things are apparent:

You have average genetics (at best)
You starting using hormones quite early in your lifting career
You know what works for you and know how to dial in and get in shape

VERY VERY GOOD!

gh15 approved

[gh15]

all real natural bodybuilders on stage look like grasshoppers, do they somewhat look good then they are on juice.

even tito....when he doesnt spread pictures around lol ,,saying words of gold,, what he says here is exactly right !

gh15 approved

[jrod]

Jrod - I've never seen a guy under 200lbs rowing 315 for reps let alone 355 for reps, in fact i've never seen anyone row 315lbs with good form for reps who wasn't on gear

Although I guess the roach is still claiming 585 squat at 18 years old  

You saw me do it in that video right?  No one else has done it without gear, so what makes you think I could possibly do it naturally.  Don't be stupid here, 315 lbs. is a lot of motherfucking weight to be doing at  my bodyweight (probably 205-210 in that video) NATURALLY.  I would say it was probably about 100 lbs. natural and the rest of the 255 lbs. was all drugs.  

[jrod]

Where did Mr. Rod go?  I'd like him to outline his tanning protocols and explain his choice of posing trunk material.

I can't explain the protocol right now in detail, but I can say that the biggest thing that has changed for me over the last two years is I no longer try to lift as heavy as I can and strive to put more weight on the bar as my main focus.  I am more mindful of trying to avoid injury and making less weight feel like more.  Also, I have been incorporating different rep ranges and more machines, cables, etc.; whereas before I would stick to 4-6 reps all the time. 

As for posing trunks, PM me because i have some I could sell to you--worn of course.

[jrod]

I wanna also add - I actually believe JRod is natural!

All too many times people really underestimate what some are capable of!  Keep doing what you are doing man!

Jrod - you look FUCKING AWESOME!!!  I admire your consistency and work ethics man!!  It's about time you get the First place win!  A long time coming!

Hey big ach, thanks!  I've seen your pics floating around here and you're looking pretty unnatural yourself . 

[tendonitis]

You saw me do it in that video right?  No one else has done it without gear, so what makes you think I could possibly do it naturally.  Don't be stupid here, 315 lbs. is a lot of motherfucking weight to be doing at  my bodyweight (probably 205-210 in that video) NATURALLY.  I would say it was probably about 100 lbs. natural and the rest of the 255 lbs. was all drugs.  

BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA......good one   .
Jrod seems like an alright guy, can take it and dish it out like a true getbigger
dude has a great physique, natural or not

[jrod]

At least give credit that I came up with the name jroid you little cumguzzler. 

Was that you?  I remember seeing that once and thinking it was hilarious.  All the credit to you; i love it.  Thanks!

In that case you may be the president of team jroid (though gh15 is putting in a good bid for the spot). 

[Big Worm]

Team jroid (gh15, brospore, etc.) I wanna say thanks for keeping the party alive when I was gone.  Damn fine job of keeping this at the top for a third day.  Lets keep my 15 minutes going, my friends.  Now let me go back and read the last 6 pages I've missed.

Let me say ahead of time, that if I miss your post or don't respond to it, I apologize, there is a lot of important shit to get through here and I'll do my best to get to yours.  

Jroid approved!

  TEAM JROID IN DA HOUSE!!! LOL!

[gh15]

As with most tough questions, the answer to this debate falls somewhere in the middle.

It is reasonable to expect there are some naturals with upper echelon genetics that can maintain a full muscular physique at a low body fat. It is also reaonable to call bullshit on hyper muscular dudes that are full and RIPPED as naturals. Add up all the opinions within this thread and divide by common sense for the answer.

If this J Rod guy is natural, he has some of the most wicked genetics I have ever seen. I have decent to good genetics. Small joints, small waist wide shoulders, decent quad sweep potential (at about 5'11). Honestly, the same type of shape as J Rod with the shitty high calves.

When I was in college I was a delusional bodybuilding fan. I decided to go for it and worked with a national level competitor. I was super regimented - diet was on point, and I trained my balls of for 4 years (been training since I was 14). When dieted down, I was about a buck 55- 60. To compete at over 170 at 5'10 under 6%? Only if you are a mega freak or a total mesomorph which this guy is not. I was always FLAT. The fullness makes me think he's a bullshitter.

impressive posting,,flat is the key key key word,,even mesomorph and muscular fellas they dont walk around 175lb 5'8 4% they just dont,,

here is example of someone that is naturaly ripped and done few cycles of winstrol tablets lol well he is natural stilll in the eyes of generation nothingess,,but here is his nnumbers..

6 feet 2.5 inches...187 lbbbbbbs 4%.....  read those numbers again..this is natural numbers... and he did winstrol and claim to have stomack digestive problems and thats why he is constantly ripped and need to eat lots of mcdonalds because he has stomack deasese... lol im not joking by the way thats what he claims with his status which is only 6'2.5 187lb 4% lol

a natural number for 5'10 at 6% is usualy between 165-172 and thats for SERIOUS SERIOUS BODYBUILDERS that eat around the clock ,,and eat a lot! and really on creatine and on protien powders lol and even on halodrol at times lol they end up 170 giev or take 6% lol

yep my friends...this is the sad reality

5'10 170 6% the most gifted ones

gh15 approved