lotta guys who want to believe in this thread...
on the one hand, you have guys who don't believe it because they've seen it a million times. guys who know how people change from all sorts of training and drug regimens through firsthand experience. guys who understand that bodybuilding is, at it's heart, all about illusion and consequently attracts liars like flies to shit.
on the other hand you have guys believing in the 1/1,000,000 story... every time, it plays out the same way: they fucking MAKE UP shit about genetics, hard work, advances in bodybuilding technique, supplements, etc which they have NO WAY of verifying (or, most of the time, even describing clearly) to explain the extraordinary results they see before them.
tell me which group is less scientific

and yet they have to have their heroes... what's an ideal without a real hero? oh yeah, a fucking myth.