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The point is that bama only brought this up now to agitate and stir the emotions of hispanics. 
Right, because Hispanics are irrational, emotional and not intelligent enough to decipher whether or not they are being played.  ::)

Obama has tackled a lot of issues in two years PEA BRAIN, in case you did not notice. Capturing OBL, health care, financial regulation, etc. He is simply continuing to fight for immigration reform as he promised during his campaign. He introduced The Dream Act and the repubes filibustered it and had it blocked. Obama has not given up, and will not give up on reform.

The Dream Act was a good and strong compromise on the issue. Thanks to the recalcitrant repubes and the manner in which people like PEA BRAIN discuss this issue, it is more than obvious that Obama will once again CRUSH the repube nominee in 2012, getting an overwhelming percentage of the Hispanic vote.  ;)
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Right, because Hispanics are irrational, emotional and not intelligent enough to decipher whether or not they are being played.  ::)

Obama has tackled a lot of issues in two years PEA BRAIN, in case you did not notice. Capturing OBL, health care, financial regulation, etc. He is simply continuing to fight for immigration reform as he promised during his campaign. He introduced The Dream Act and the repubes filibustered it and had it blocked. Obama has not given up, and will not give up on reform.

The Dream Act was a good and strong compromise on the issue. Thanks to the recalcitrant repubes and the manner in which people like PEA BRAIN discuss this issue, it is more than obvious that Obama will once again CRUSH the repube nominee in 2012, getting an overwhelming percentage of the Hispanic vote.  ;)

You are so stupid that you make my hair hurt. Good luck with the whole collective class struggle "movement" to increase America's welfare population. Adding 12 million+ criminals to the Democratic Party's voting base is going to be quite an accomplishment. All things considered, its the only thing that keeps your party of bottom feeders viable. With the rest of the country fed up, you'll need them to stay relevant. Keep Hope Alive Bra!

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Originally I thought that the title of this thread was referring to how NY City residents can keep people in Harlem from entering the Upper East and West Sides of Manhattan.

I guess I should have continued reading.

MindSpin is for illegal immigration because he snuck into this country on the back of a lettuce truck, G4P'd his way to the bottom echelon of the bodybuilding industry and now runs a successful business out of his studio apartment that specializes in dry cleaning BJJ Gi's. In other words, he is an American success story.

Living the dream ladies and gentlemen. Living the dream.

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Why is it our responsibility to provide an expedited way of entry for the Mexican Farmer?

It isn't.  I never said it was.  I was simply explaining to 333386 that many foreigners have no way to enter the US legally.  Many Americans don't know that.  They see the multitude of immigrants enter the US legally and then go through the legal process of obtaining permanent residence and later naturalization.  Then they think that every foreigner has the same opportunity.  But that's not the case.  In fact, most people who enter the US illegally have no legal way to do it.  That's all I'm saying.

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i hope it doesn't pass.  but i fear it will.  repubs can't oppose it.  they don't want to be on the wrong side of it. 

They won't call it amnesty.  They'll call it "border support" or some bullshit.  Like they renamed cap/trade.

It won't pass. They need Republican support for it to pass and Republicans are stating that there are other things, like the economy and securing the border (really securing the border, not just putting a wall in only half the border), that needs to be worked out first.

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Demagoguery 101
By Charles Krauthammer, Published: May 12
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“I’m going to do my part to lead a constructive and civil debate on these issues.”

— Barack Obama, speech on immigration, El Paso, May 10


Constructive and civil debate — like the one Obama initiated just four weeks ago on deficit reduction? The speech in which he accused the Republicans of abandoning families of autistic and Down syndrome kids? The debate in which Obama’s secretary of health and human services said that the Republican Medicare plan would make old folks “die sooner”?

In this same spirit of comity and mutual respect, Obama’s most recent invitation to civil discourse — on immigration — came just 11 minutes after he accused opponents of moving the goal posts on border enforcement. “Maybe they’ll need a moat,” he said sarcastically. “Maybe they want alligators in the moat.”

Nice touch. Looks like the Tucson truce — no demonization, no cross-hairs metaphors — is officially over. After all, the Republicans want to kill off the elderly, throw the disabled in the snow and watch alligators lunch on illegal immigrants.

The El Paso speech is notable not for breaking any new ground on immigration but for perfectly illustrating Obama’s political style: the professorial, almost therapeutic, invitation to civil discourse, wrapped around the basest of rhetorical devices — charges of malice compounded with accusations of bad faith. “They’ll never be satisfied,” said Obama about border control. “And I understand that. That’s politics.”

How understanding. The other side plays “politics,” Obama acts in the public interest. Their eyes are on poll numbers, political power, the next election; Obama’s rest fixedly on the little children.

This impugning of motives is an Obama constant. “They” play politics with deficit reduction, with government shutdowns, with health care. And now immigration. It is ironic that such a charge should be made in a speech that is nothing but politics. There is zero chance of any immigration legislation passing Congress in the next two years. El Paso was simply an attempt to gin up the Hispanic vote as part of an openly political two-city, three-event campaign swing in preparation for 2012.

Accordingly, the El Paso speech featured two other staples: the breathtaking invention and the statistical sleight of hand.

“The [border] fence is now basically complete,” asserted the president. Complete? There are now 350 miles of pedestrian fencing along the Mexican border. The border is 1,954 miles long. That’s 18 percent. And only one-tenth of that 18 percent is the double and triple fencing that has proved so remarkably effective in, for example, the Yuma sector. Another 299 miles — 15 percent — are vehicle barriers that pedestrians can walk right through.

Obama then boasted that on his watch 31 percent more drugs have been seized, 64 percent more weapons — proof of how he has secured the border. And for more proof: Apprehension of illegal immigrants is down 40 percent. Down? Indeed, says Obama, this means that fewer people are trying to cross the border.

Interesting logic. Seizures of drugs and guns go up — proof of effective border control. Seizures of people go down — yet more proof of effective border control. Up or down, it matters not. Whatever the numbers, Obama vindicates himself.

You can believe this flimflam or you can believe the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office. The GAO reported in February that less than half the border is under “operational control” of the government. Which undermines the entire premise of Obama’s charge that, because the border is effectively secure, “Republicans who said they supported broader reform as long as we got serious about enforcement” didn’t really mean it.

I count myself among those who really do mean it. I have little doubt that most Americans would be quite willing to regularize and legalize the current millions of illegal immigrants if they were convinced that this was the last such cohort, as evidenced by, say, a GAO finding that the border is under full operational control and certification to the same effect by the governors of the four southern border states.

Americans are a generous people. Upon receipt of objective and reliable evidence that the border is secure — not Obama’s infinitely manipulable interdiction statistics — the question would be settled and the immigrants legalized.

Why doesn’t Obama put such a provision in comprehensive immigration legislation?

Because for Obama, immigration reform is not about legislation, it’s about reelection. If I may quote the president: I understand that. That’s politics.


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Whites are not "80% of the population." And your statement is illogical on its face.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

"White persons, percent : 79.6%"


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May 12, 2011
Obama's Immigration Reform Vision: Clouded by Cynicism
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By Mark Salter



President Obama made a campaign stop in El Paso, Texas, this past Monday to shore up his support from Hispanic voters, who are disappointed by his failure to achieve comprehensive reform of our immigration laws.

To be clear, he did not go to El Paso to encourage Congress to pass reform legislation, the purpose he claimed in his remarks. On the contrary, his very partisan speech castigating Republicans for their continued insistence on improved border security in advance of other reforms almost certainly made that task harder, not easier, to achieve, as he surely knew it would.

Obama did not use the speech to announce he would institute some reforms by executive order rather than legislation, as reform supporters hoped he would. He did not announce that the White House would send Congress draft legislation he would like passed. In an interview with reporters, a White House aide explained, "Often when the White House just puts something on the table, it can become a point of conflict and not an inflection point to move forward."

The president would have us believe that cynically mocking Republicans for their supposed cynicism -- "Maybe Republicans will say we need a moat," he joked, "or alligators in the moat; they'll never be satisfied" -- wasn't offered as a point of conflict but to move forward the bipartisan cooperation necessary to pass a bill.

None of this comes as much of a surprise. Obama has never been serious about passing immigration reform. But he has been very adroit at using the unresolved issue to advance his own political interests.

In 2005, Sens. Edward M. Kennedy and John McCain sponsored comprehensive legislation that would have made substantial improvements to border security, establish a guest-worker program, and give the 12 to 20 million immigrants now living here illegally a path to citizenship. It certainly had its critics, mostly on the right but many on the left as well. Much of organized labor took exception to the guest-worker provisions.

A bipartisan group of senators supporting the bill formed an informal caucus to help guide it successfully through Senate debate. They met every morning in a room just off the Senate chamber to discuss plans for defending the bill from amendments that would reduce its chances of passage. Then-Sen. Barack Obama asked to join in those discussions.

As an aide to McCain, I was in the room for every one of those meetings. It was my first opportunity to observe Obama closely. During those meetings, I never saw him engage in any discussion concerned with building a majority vote in favor of the legislation. In the meetings he attended, he would draw from his shirt pocket a 3x5 index card, on which he had written changes he insisted be made to the bill before he would support it. They were invariably the same demands made by the AFL-CIO, which was intent on watering down or killing the guest-worker provisions. Republicans and Democrats alike were irritated by his transparently self-interested behavior, but tried to negotiate with him. He remained adamant in his positions and unwilling to compromise.

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The bill passed the Senate anyway, but was rejected by the House of Representatives. Two years later, Senate supporters tried again with a bill that was mostly authored by Kennedy and Jon Kyl, who had opposed the previous bill. McCain and Obama were then formally running for president, but they still managed to participate in the debate. McCain was an original sponsor, and his staff had helped to negotiate and write many of the compromises it contained. His position did not have much support among Republican primary voters, and his rivals for the Republican nomination attacked him constantly for it.

The bill's supporters reconvened their bipartisan caucus and daily meetings. They agreed that should any proposed amendments be unacceptable to either party's members in the group, they would all oppose them. The only dissenter from this agreement was Barack Obama, who not only refused to oppose the amendments that would hurt the bill's chances of passage, but actually sponsored some of them. His actions were not the only cause of the immigration reform's failure to pass the Senate that year, but they certainly contributed to it.

That didn't trouble Latinos in the 2008 general election. They were incensed by Republican opposition to comprehensive reform, and the incendiary language some opponents used to defeat it. Obama received more than twice the number of Hispanic votes McCain received.

Republican opposition to comprehensive reform poses a serious political problem for the GOP in the next election, which will only grow worse in the future as the Hispanic population in the United States continues to increase. I believe a comprehensive bill is in the best interests of Republicans as well as the best interests of the country. It is a practical solution to a difficult problem.

President Obama's speech Monday, like his disingenuous "support" of reform efforts in earlier congresses, is smart politics even though it hurts the cause of reform. But I never said he wasn't a smart politician. Just a very cynical one.

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Mark Salter is the former chief of staff to Senator John McCain and was a senior adviser to the McCain for President campaign.

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Krauthammer is the man. He tore Obama a new one with that article. He is by far the most intelligent and most logical political commentator  out there.

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As an aide to McCain, I was in the room for every one of those meetings. It was my first opportunity to observe Obama closely. During those meetings, I never saw him engage in any discussion concerned with building a majority vote in favor of the legislation. In the meetings he attended, he would draw from his shirt pocket a 3x5 index card, on which he had written changes he insisted be made to the bill before he would support it. They were invariably the same demands made by the AFL-CIO, which was intent on watering down or killing the guest-worker provisions. Republicans and Democrats alike were irritated by his transparently self-interested behavior, but tried to negotiate with him. He remained adamant in his positions and unwilling to compromise.


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Obama getting pimped out by the AFL-CIO.  What happened to CHANGE? I thought it was supposed to be different under Obama? LOL!!!

He says that Republicans politicize the issue of illegal immigration. Obama cares so much for the immigrants that he did nothing for them in the first 2 years of his presidency when his own party had full control and could have rammed amnesty through as they did with the unconstitutional Obamacare.

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It won't pass. They need Republican support for it to pass and Republicans are stating that there are other things, like the economy and securing the border (really securing the border, not just putting a wall in only half the border), that needs to be worked out first.

I hope youre right.

But I've heard a lot of republicans say things throughout the last few years that makes me wonder.  IF IF IF they see it an inevitable, they aren't going to let themselves be on the wrong side of it to appease their tea party base. 

The hispanic vote is much bigger than the tea party vote for more centrist national candidates.

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The bill's supporters reconvened their bipartisan caucus and daily meetings. They agreed that should any proposed amendments be unacceptable to either party's members in the group, they would all oppose them. The only dissenter from this agreement was Barack Obama, who not only refused to oppose the amendments that would hurt the bill's chances of passage, but actually sponsored some of them. His actions were not the only cause of the immigration reform's failure to pass the Senate that year, but they certainly contributed to it.

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I hope youre right.

But I've heard a lot of republicans say things throughout the last few years that makes me wonder.  IF IF IF they see it an inevitable, they aren't going to let themselves be on the wrong side of it to appease their tea party base. 

The hispanic vote is much bigger than the tea party vote for more centrist national candidates.

I believe that eventually, as much as I dislike the idea, all those criminals that came here illegaly will receive amnesty. I think that only the ones who have been paying taxes should get amnesty, the rest should be kicked out. But, I know the government won't put in the time, nor the effort to do the right thing. But, all of that should be done ONLY after the border is completely secured. Double, triple walls on the ENTIRE BORDER with a lot more border agents than there are now. I would like to see our military on the border. Get them out of Iraq and put them on the border.

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The communist piece of disgusting trash aka obama just killed any chance of anything getting done on this with his vile speech and race/class/age/sex/ warfare crap. 

So in a way, I'm glad he made that speech.   Not only did he probably make amnesty doa for a awhile, but he again exposed himself for the vile asshole he really is.   

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3333, Obama was supposed to be a uniter according to all the fools that voted for him and were singing "Oh, Happy Day" when he was elected.

The man is a joke. He claims he wants to work with the Reps in a civil manner, but spends the better part of his speeches lying and bashing the opposition.  Any sense of working together just went out the window. He might get enough fools to get him re-elected but he will be a lame duck president for his entire second term.

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It isn't.  I never said it was.  I was simply explaining to 333386 that many foreigners have no way to enter the US legally. Many Americans don't know that.  They see the multitude of immigrants enter the US legally and then go through the legal process of obtaining permanent residence and later naturalization.  Then they think that every foreigner has the same opportunity.  But that's not the case.  In fact, most people who enter the US illegally have no legal way to do it.  That's all I'm saying.

Most American don't care, and shouldn't care, and to put it bluntly, your point is meaningless. What they should care about is that 7 out of every 10 illegals are on Welfare and other social programs, that many of our Hospitals are being bankrupted from Illegals, that our schools are being over crowded and underfunded and under staffed, that our Prisons are maxed out with Illegals, and that we are going bankrupt, and that illegal immigration needs to be stopped asap. That's all I'm saying.


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Why should poor people from other countries, wherever they are, have a legal way to come here other than for vacations, short visits etc?

I dont see where anyone has a right to be an immigrant under all and any circumstances. 

We have laws in this country, and if that is too hard for people who dont want to wait in line like others - screw em.     

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Most American don't care, and shouldn't care, and to put it bluntly, your point is meaningless. What they should care about is that 7 out of every 10 illegals are on Welfare and other social programs, that many of our Hospitals are being bankrupted from Illegals, that our schools are being over crowded and underfunded and under staffed, that our Prisons are maxed out with Illegals, and that we are going bankrupt, and that illegal immigration needs to be stopped asap. That's all I'm saying.



Then why do I keep hearing Americans say that those immigrants who entered the US illegally should have entered legally just like the other immigrants who did?   ::)

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Why should poor people from other countries, wherever they are, have a legal way to come here other than for vacations, short visits etc?

I dont see where anyone has a right to be an immigrant under all and any circumstances.  

We have laws in this country, and if that is too hard for people who dont want to wait in line like others - screw em.      

Obviously, many Americans see the value in those poor immigrants.  Just look at the many American homes, their nanny, cleaning lady, the guy who mows the lawn, etc.  Also look at the many farms and the many other industries who hire them.  Clearly, they see value in those poor immigrants.

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Then why do I keep hearing Americans say that those immigrants who entered the US illegally should have entered legally just like the other immigrants who did?   ::)

What they mean is that they should either come legally or don't come here at all. and if that means they never make it because of the timeline,  so be it, it is not our responsibility. By the way many poor Mexicans do come here via Agricultural worker Visas.

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Irrelevent.

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Irrelevent.

Exactly.


Obviously, many Americans see the value in those poor immigrants.  Just look at the many American homes, their nanny, cleaning lady, the guy who mows the lawn, etc.  Also look at the many farms and the many other industries who hire them.  Clearly, they see value in those poor immigrants.

Obama also got elected with a majority. Some people are simply clueless to the end results from their bad decisions...

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Obviously, many Americans see the value in those poor immigrants.  Just look at the many American homes, their nanny, cleaning lady, the guy who mows the lawn, etc.  Also look at the many farms and the many other industries who hire them.  Clearly, they see value in those poor immigrants.

Loco I like you, but Im going to have to stick with my Neanderthal conservative brethren on this one.

FYI Obama can naturalize everyone if he wants to with ease. He is making this an "us" versus them debate to hoodwink stupid spanish voters into thinking he actually cares about them. With a call to Eric Holder, amnesty could be granted. Don't be taken in.

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Loco I like you, but Im going to have to stick with my Neanderthal conservative brethren on this one.

FYI Obama can naturalize everyone if he wants to with ease. He is making this an "us" versus them debate to hoodwink stupid spanish voters into thinking he actually cares about them. With a call to Eric Holder, amnesty could be granted. Don't be taken in.

I know this whole thing is just political, and I never said I'm for amnesty.  I simply state facts and some people here misinterpret and get infuriated. I've always said that illegal immigration should be illegal.