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Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« on: May 10, 2011, 04:25:04 PM »
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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2011, 05:57:07 PM »
I like Juan Williams.  Surprised he likes Ron Paul. 

But no, he's not the candidate to beat. 

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2011, 06:23:44 PM »
I like Juan Williams.  Surprised he likes Ron Paul.  

But no, he's not the candidate to beat.  

Juan is one of the few that actually has a different take on some subjects then the rest of the dummies on FOX.  Good interview, the judge rules.

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2011, 06:29:03 PM »
Juan is one of the few that actually has a differnet take on some subjects then the rest of dummies on FOX.

Not really.  The opinion shows always have (or at least attempt to have) a liberal viewpoint, along with a conservative viewpoint. 

But I'd say the same thing about Juan Williams that he says about Ron Paul:  he's intellectually honest.

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2011, 06:30:00 PM »
(Ballot Box) — If the 2012 Republican presidential primary were held today, conservative voters would prefer New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie or former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain as their nominee, a new poll found.

According to the Zogby poll released Tuesday, 17 percent of GOP voters want Christie, who says he will not run for president in 2012 despite repeated urging from conservatives, to win the nomination. The poll found that Cain comes in second, with 14 percent. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) was next, with 10 percent; the rest of the 10 or so names failed to get double digits.

But the Zogby poll also found that 31 percent of GOP voters think former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, whom 9 percent of Republican voters want to win the nomination, is most likely to actually get the nomination. He leads in that category with former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, next in line with 8 percent of Republican voters.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/160339--poll-voters-top-gop-picks-are-christie-and-cain

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2011, 06:32:09 PM »
(Ballot Box) — If the 2012 Republican presidential primary were held today, conservative voters would prefer New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie or former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain as their nominee, a new poll found.

According to the Zogby poll released Tuesday, 17 percent of GOP voters want Christie, who says he will not run for president in 2012 despite repeated urging from conservatives, to win the nomination. The poll found that Cain comes in second, with 14 percent. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) was next, with 10 percent; the rest of the 10 or so names failed to get double digits.

But the Zogby poll also found that 31 percent of GOP voters think former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, whom 9 percent of Republican voters want to win the nomination, is most likely to actually get the nomination. He leads in that category with former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, next in line with 8 percent of Republican voters.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/160339--poll-voters-top-gop-picks-are-christie-and-cain

l like Christie.  If he doesn't run in 2012, he needs to stop eating cheeseburgers and run in 2016. 

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2011, 09:00:38 AM »
He's done.  Time to pack it up. 

WTF is wrong with him?   Just when he gets rolling -he says bullshit like this. 

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Ron Paul: Killing OBL “absolutely was not necessary”
Hotair ^ | 05/12/2011 | Ed Morrissey




Ron Paul’s supporters plan on another run for the presidency from the Texas Congressman, and some are saying that the mainstream has finally begun to embrace his ideas on economics and the Fed. On foreign policy and national defense, though, perhaps Paul is farther out than ever. In a radio interview on Tuesday, reported this morning in Politico, Paul said he would not have greenlighted the mission that killed Osama bin Laden, and would have worked with Pakistan to arrest him instead:

“I think things could have been done somewhat differently,” Paul said this week. “I would suggest the way they got Khalid [Sheikh] Mohammed. We went and cooperated with Pakistan. They arrested him, actually, and turned him over to us, and he’s been in prison. Why can’t we work with the government?”

Paul also told WHO’s Simon Conway that the mission “absolutely was not necessary”:

“I don’t think it was necessary, no. It absolutely was not necessary,” Paul said during his Tuesday comments. “I think respect for the rule of law and world law and international law. What if he’d been in a hotel in London? We wanted to keep it secret, so would we have sent the airplane, you know the helicopters into London, because they were afraid the information would get out?”

For one thing, had we found him holed up in London, we would have been able to trust the British intelligence service to cooperate. MI-5 didn’t spend more than a decade helping to build up the Taliban and playing footsie with radical Islamists the way Pakistan’s ISI did, primarily as a bulwark against India. Moreover, as Paul should know, we tried trusting Pakistan once before on an opportunity to target bin Laden when Bill Clinton had a chance to target his compound. The ISI warned bin Laden, and to paraphrase President George Bush, we wound up sending a $10 million rocket into a ten-dollar tent to hit a camel’s butt.

I would have had no problem with capturing Osama bin Laden, or with killing him. He declared war on the United States and continued to pursue it until his last breath. Furthermore, I have no problem with us conducting a military mission in Pakistan to get him. Pakistan has proven themselves unreliable on high-level intelligence matters in the past, specifically on OBL, and we have had little cause to put any more trust in the Pakistani ISI ever since.

Paul has a few good ideas on fiscal policy, but is otherwise a nut. Insisting that we should have asked the Pakistanis to arrest bin Laden proves rather clearly that Paul lives in a fantasy world.

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2011, 10:50:30 AM »
i think we should have captured him and pumped him for intel.  Why would you EVER just kill the HEAD of a terrorist organization when you can interrogate him for 5 years THEN pop him?

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2011, 10:54:48 AM »
240 - I have a KA BAR and Glock 26 within about 10 feet of me at most times.   If it were me - I would have not only beheaded OBL - but probably filmed it and put it on youtube signing Metallica's Seek & Destroy while doing it with a massive smile on my face.  I would probably be head banging the whole time. 

This is where RP pisses me off.   Sorry - you attack my family - I'm coming after you like the 4 horsemen of the apocolypse and unleashing the dogs of war.     
 




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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2011, 11:01:08 AM »
He's done.  Time to pack it up. 

WTF is wrong with him?   Just when he gets rolling -he says bullshit like this. 

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Ron Paul: Killing OBL “absolutely was not necessary”
Hotair ^ | 05/12/2011 | Ed Morrissey




Ron Paul’s supporters plan on another run for the presidency from the Texas Congressman, and some are saying that the mainstream has finally begun to embrace his ideas on economics and the Fed. On foreign policy and national defense, though, perhaps Paul is farther out than ever. In a radio interview on Tuesday, reported this morning in Politico, Paul said he would not have greenlighted the mission that killed Osama bin Laden, and would have worked with Pakistan to arrest him instead:

“I think things could have been done somewhat differently,” Paul said this week. “I would suggest the way they got Khalid [Sheikh] Mohammed. We went and cooperated with Pakistan. They arrested him, actually, and turned him over to us, and he’s been in prison. Why can’t we work with the government?”

Paul also told WHO’s Simon Conway that the mission “absolutely was not necessary”:

“I don’t think it was necessary, no. It absolutely was not necessary,” Paul said during his Tuesday comments. “I think respect for the rule of law and world law and international law. What if he’d been in a hotel in London? We wanted to keep it secret, so would we have sent the airplane, you know the helicopters into London, because they were afraid the information would get out?”

For one thing, had we found him holed up in London, we would have been able to trust the British intelligence service to cooperate. MI-5 didn’t spend more than a decade helping to build up the Taliban and playing footsie with radical Islamists the way Pakistan’s ISI did, primarily as a bulwark against India. Moreover, as Paul should know, we tried trusting Pakistan once before on an opportunity to target bin Laden when Bill Clinton had a chance to target his compound. The ISI warned bin Laden, and to paraphrase President George Bush, we wound up sending a $10 million rocket into a ten-dollar tent to hit a camel’s butt.

I would have had no problem with capturing Osama bin Laden, or with killing him. He declared war on the United States and continued to pursue it until his last breath. Furthermore, I have no problem with us conducting a military mission in Pakistan to get him. Pakistan has proven themselves unreliable on high-level intelligence matters in the past, specifically on OBL, and we have had little cause to put any more trust in the Pakistani ISI ever since.

Paul has a few good ideas on fiscal policy, but is otherwise a nut. Insisting that we should have asked the Pakistanis to arrest bin Laden proves rather clearly that Paul lives in a fantasy world.


Definitely fantasy.  You really have to question whether he would be a good CIC when he makes comments like this.

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2011, 11:08:33 AM »
This is where RP pisses me off.   Sorry - this is utter horseshit on his part.   This is where I tell Ron Paul to fuck off.

You attack me or my family - you better kill me and everyone else or its fucking on.  No apologies, no second thoughts, its on.   

I would decapitate and eat OBL's brains on live TV if they allowed me.   



   

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2011, 12:44:23 PM »
This is where RP pisses me off.   Sorry - this is utter horseshit on his part.   This is where I tell Ron Paul to fuck off.

You attack me or my family - you better kill me and everyone else or its fucking on.  No apologies, no second thoughts, its on.   

I would decapitate and eat OBL's brains on live TV if they allowed me.   



   

There you go with the Satan-worshipping stuff, again.

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2011, 01:36:51 PM »
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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2011, 05:06:46 PM »
i think we should have captured him and pumped him for intel.  Why would you EVER just kill the HEAD of a terrorist organization when you can interrogate him for 5 years THEN pop him?

The legal shitstorm that would be brought down on them by lefties like you would far outweigh the benefits of keeping him alive.

What was fucking stupid was Obama's inability to control his stiffy by telling the world about all the intel they had. Good job giving the CIA and what not all of 2 hours to analyze it before telling all of OBL's buddies that it was time to hit the road.  ::)

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2011, 06:34:20 PM »
240 - I have a KA BAR and Glock 26 within about 10 feet of me at most times.   If it were me - I would have not only beheaded OBL - but probably filmed it and put it on youtube signing Metallica's Seek & Destroy while doing it with a massive smile on my face.  I would probably be head banging the whole time. 

This is where RP pisses me off.   Sorry - you attack my family - I'm coming after you like the 4 horsemen of the apocolypse and unleashing the dogs of war.     
 





 I saw that show. Damn. feels like yesterday.

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2011, 06:41:53 PM »
This is where RP pisses me off.   Sorry - this is utter horseshit on his part.   This is where I tell Ron Paul to fuck off.

You attack me or my family - you better kill me and everyone else or its fucking on.  No apologies, no second thoughts, its on.   

I would decapitate and eat OBL's brains on live TV if they allowed me.   



   

relax dude, Im going to do some more research on this and get back to you. As it stands Im surprised and puzzled.

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2011, 06:45:18 PM »
Cause I'm a nyc er, this thing was real to me.

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2011, 06:45:41 PM »
The legal shitstorm that would be brought down on them by lefties like you would far outweigh the benefits of keeping him alive.

What was fucking stupid was Obama's inability to control his stiffy by telling the world about all the intel they had. Good job giving the CIA and what not all of 2 hours to analyze it before telling all of OBL's buddies that it was time to hit the road.  ::)

i've always said - close gitmo, put them on a carnival cruise ship, torture them for years then make em walk the plank.

i stand by this for OBL of course.  Tell the world he's dead, then capture and torture him and pump him for intel.  If he's RUNNING the al-Q terror network, as we are told he was doing, it's be ASININE to just pop him when you could interrogate him.  

Even if he'd lie... you pump him with enough electricity or drugs and he'll talk.


seriously, bz, you don't really think i'd sue to keep his ass out of that, do you?  My whole beef is bragging about torturing them.  You do it, and you STFU about it, period.

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2011, 07:18:41 PM »
He's done.  Time to pack it up. 

WTF is wrong with him?   Just when he gets rolling -he says bullshit like this. 


He's got some great ideas and some REALLY stupid ones.

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2011, 07:57:02 PM »
i've always said - close gitmo, put them on a carnival cruise ship, torture them for years then make em walk the plank.

i stand by this for OBL of course.  Tell the world he's dead, then capture and torture him and pump him for intel.  If he's RUNNING the al-Q terror network, as we are told he was doing, it's be ASININE to just pop him when you could interrogate him. 

Even if he'd lie... you pump him with enough electricity or drugs and he'll talk.


seriously, bz, you don't really think i'd sue to keep his ass out of that, do you?  My whole beef is bragging about torturing them.  You do it, and you STFU about it, period.



OK, just so I've got this straight, you're crying in the other thread (the one stickied) about how the government is a bunch of lying douchebags.

And in this thread, you're claiming that you support lying and think that's what they should be doing.

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2011, 08:01:29 PM »


OK, just so I've got this straight, you're crying in the other thread (the one stickied) about how the government is a bunch of lying douchebags.

And in this thread, you're claiming that you support lying and think that's what they should be doing.

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2011, 08:13:06 PM »
I think it should be US policy to not discuss ongoing terror investigations.

"the OBL situation in Abottabad is ongoing - we will have more information in the coming months".

Period. 

Obama wanted to gain some political capital to push amnesty. 

And keep in mind I called out the WH story from minute 1- way too hollywood and instant.  And the lie about "we weren't watching what happened" when we now know there were heltmet cams in real time on every soldier in the place.

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2011, 08:32:37 PM »
I think it should be US policy to not discuss ongoing terror investigations.

"the OBL situation in Abottabad is ongoing - we will have more information in the coming months".

Period.  

Obama wanted to gain some political capital to push amnesty.


Nice dodge waffle, now tell us:  Should the government lie or not?

  
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And keep in mind I called out the WH story from minute 1- way too hollywood and instant.  And the lie about "we weren't watching what happened" when we now know there were heltmet cams in real time on every soldier in the place.



Called out?  You haven't called anything some twelve year old kid doesn't know.  Who has said the government is not lying?  

What the fuck did you expect?  That they want to give away all our secrets?

You think they're telling the complete truth about how we found him?  About the intel involved?  About anything?

You get called out when you start making up your own bullshit to fill in the gaps.

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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2011, 07:54:05 AM »
I think Ron Paul respects the law as an absolute, that can have good and bad points but that is his deal. He believes that flouting the law leads to more such flouting.
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Re: Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2011, 05:15:18 PM »
Im on the fence on this right now, but read an interesteing comment on the yahoo page and would appreciate it if someone would like to express where they think this person is wrong. No need to get bent out of shape and answer in a derogatory fashion. i would like to hear an intelligent debate if anyone has it in them.



Ron was only arguing that there was a BETTER (more principled) way to do it than through extra-judicial killing and by violating Pakistani sovereignty.

What if the roles had been reversed? What if a fugitive wanted by Pakistan had holed himself up inside the US, with the help of some local sympathizers. If Pakistani commandos had been airdropped into our backyard in the middle of the night without warning, and shot the guy dead along with a few others, including several who were unarmed, while being fully prepared to kill any of our cops who might have responded to the commotion and rushed to the scene to intercept the armed intruders. What would our reactions have been? Would the fact that the fugitive was found hiding amongst us automatically mean that we were guilty of harboring him as a nation, and hence forfeiting our sovereignty? That the burden of proof is on our government - to show that it did not know he was here?

Paul brought up the case of KSM as an example of how the matter should have been handled. Those who argue that we can't trust Pakistan to help us hunt down terror suspects are conveniently ignoring this detail.

Paul believes in applying the Golden Rule to our foreign policies, the same attitude recommended by our founding fathers. If our country had stayed on that course during the last hundred years, we would not be a super power today, but we would also have considerably fewer enemies.

For better or worse, we've clearly chosen to head down a different path as a nation. Paul knows he is in the minority, but he is not afraid to speak his mind, even if he is roundly mocked by those who insist on twisting his words to feed their own prejudice.


also... werent some of the worst of the worst of ww2 arrested and brought to trial and ultimately exectuted? How is Ron wrong in suggesting applying the same methods in this situation?