Question to ex-juicers and naturals

[Bam-bam]

After a GREAT work out, when you busted your ass hard very hard, felt every muscle fiber pumped up from the rep one and increased they weight after each set..... dont you also get a impression that if you were on the sauce your improvements would be much much better and how in some way you just wasted a great training session?

I do, I mean the difference is ridiculous and even if you are actually still improving as a natural, chances are you would be getting a phenomenal physique if you were on as little as maintence doses. So there goes 80% of your "intensity" and "discipline" right to the garbage can!!

I was coming back from the gym today, feeling like shit because of a slight fever that made me almost puke during the back workout, and had this thought again. I really didnt want to start with the test and stuff again since Im still having gains but fuck it why not speed up things a little??

Also, the thread Stavios just started about Jose admiting how "it took  14 years to go from 154 to 176 and 2years to get to 202" just made me lol. 14 fuckin years to gain 20 fuckin pounds, and then suddently it took him MONHTS go add more 20lbs or so, talk about wasted time!! Seriously, training hard while being naturla is so lame, cant see other reason for that other than bragging you are clean to friends and on internet forums, in the end you can always tell a white lie and keep preaching your natural status or blame it on pro hormones .

[Firemuscle]

 If you want big results and want to have big ripped muscles, do steroids.

 If you're satisfied with just being fit and keeping a low body weight, stay natural.

 Just depends what you want.

 The problem is that lots of guys are trying to have a bodybuilder's physique naturally. These guys end up bitter and frustrated at their failure to make the gains they want.

 Just gotta be realistic. Too many guys set their goals too high when natural.

[Bam-bam]

If you want big results and want to have big ripped muscles, do steroids.

 If you're satisfied with just being fit and keeping a low body weight, stay natural.

 Just depends what you want.

 The problem is that lots of guys are trying to have a bodybuilder's physique naturally. These guys end up bitter and frustrated at their failure to make the gains they want.

 Just gotta be realistic. Too many guys set their goals too high when natural.

I agree, but then why workout just to get fit? There are much more enjoyable activities to getting fit then going to the gym 5 times a week and lifting dem damn weights. I mean, I was into "looking fit" for a very loooong period of my life after toring a delt in the army and do you know how many times I went to a gym then? Zero. Just playing sports, some BJJ and boxing with friends and a little push ups and chins here and there and thats it. But then I decided it was time to get strong again and then there the gym rat was 5 times per week.

BFRS, you should  start  frequenting a real gym, nail your diet and do some oxys just once in your life just to get the taste man, I know this because it makes the same shit to your muscles as the weed do to your soul  

[Meso_z]

After a GREAT work out, when you busted your ass hard very hard, felt every muscle fiber pumped up from the rep one and increased they weight after each set..... dont you also get a impression that if you were on the sauce your improvements would be much much better and how in some way you just wasted a great training session?

I do, I mean the difference is ridiculous and even if you are actually still improving as a natural, chances are you would be getting a phenomenal physique if you were on as little as maintence doses. So there goes 80% of your "intensity" and "discipline" right to the garbage can!!

I was coming back from the gym today, feeling like shit because of a slight fever that made me almost puke during the back workout, and had this thought again. I really didnt want to start with the test and stuff again since Im still having gains but fuck it why not speed up things a little??

Also, the thread Stavios just started about Jose admiting how "it took  14 years to go from 154 to 176 and 2years to get to 202" just made me lol. 14 fuckin years to gain 20 fuckin pounds, and then suddently it took him MONHTS go add more 20lbs or so, talk about wasted time!! Seriously, training hard while being naturla is so lame, cant see other reason for that other than bragging you are clean to friends and on internet forums, in the end you can always tell a white lie and keep preaching your natural status or blame it on pro hormones .

The question is..did you enjoy the workout and lifted as heavy as you could that day? If yes....then who cares about "growth".

[Yev33]

You wanna compete in the IFBB do steroids, if not what's the point.

[roccoginge]

this

[jon cole]

In my case it was different.
I started weightlifting at a skinny 72 kg, one year later i weighed 103 kg, fater but definitely bigger, a transformation that astounished everybody.

Then i staled for 1 year, i go to another club, and boom, 16 kg in four month, naturally, i was 22 years old, my arm were 51 cm cold, chest 140, legs 82, but waist 120. Naturally.
Yes 51 cm arm after only 3/4 years of training but too much fat around waist.
I had no trouble in gaining mass, muscle but fat too.
i hit the 132 kg barrier but very fat.

my best condition was before the police academy, when with a lot of cardio and diet and dbol (5/10 mg on training day so 5 time a week for several week) i go down to 107kg.
 

[1stkeepitreal]

You want to be 230 big and bloated whereby half the population says you are are roids? Then do drugs eat everything and train as much as you want.

or

You want to be 200 ripped and lean?  If you want this then train hard, train smart and eat correctly. Stay off the drugs.

[gh15]

You want to be 230 big and bloated whereby half the population says you are are roids? Then do drugs eat everything and train as much as you want.

or

You want to be 200 ripped and lean?  If you want this then train hard, train smart and eat correctly. Stay off the drugs.

you are seriously in delusion ,, you are not anything 200lb ripped naturaly unless you are 6'3 even then you are not hormones type ripped and full,,


5'10 190 ripped is always hormonized,,ALWAYS,,

stop tellin those members balonie! ,,stop this shit,,

that 230 lb bloated sack of poratos had to be there inorder to get down to 200lb ripped to shreds...

the diff is from long esters he changed to short ,,,from nandrolona he changed to trenbolona,,, he took out gh and added in masterona

very very simple to understand ,,

200 lb is NOT NATURAL AT RIUPPED CONDITION ,,190 lb is not natural in ripped condition ,,even 180lb at ripped condition is not natural ,, and i am not talking here 5'6 friends,,im talking good heights of 5'9 5'10

few here ,,the new members are really in need to read bible ,,

this post i just responded too SHOW CLEARLY ABOUT MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE ALL BODYBUILD CULT,,

230 bloated on roids...200 ripped natural drug free...where do you get this shit from ? 197 lb ripped at 5'10 is typical light heavy weight for many many many many top pros when they started ,,on good doses of hormones,,

gh15 approved

[1stkeepitreal]

you are seriously in delusion ,, you are not anything 200lb ripped naturaly unless you are 6'3 even then you are not hormones type ripped and full,,


5'10 190 ripped is always hormonized,,ALWAYS,,

stop tellin those members balonie! ,,stop this shit,,

that 230 lb bloated sack of poratos had to be there inorder to get down to 200lb ripped to shreds...

the diff is from long esters he changed to short ,,,from nandrolona he changed to trenbolona,,, he took out gh and added in masterona

very very simple to understand ,,

200 lb is NOT NATURAL AT RIUPPED CONDITION ,,190 lb is not natural in ripped condition ,,even 180lb at ripped condition is not natural ,, and i am not talking here 5'6 friends,,im talking good heights of 5'9 5'10

few here ,,the new members are really in need to read bible ,,

this post i just responded too SHOW CLEARLY ABOUT MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE ALL BODYBUILD CULT,,

230 bloated on roids...200 ripped natural drug free...where do you get this shit from ? 197 lb ripped at 5'10 is typical light heavy weight for many many many many top pros when they started ,,on good doses of hormones,,

gh15 approved

no drugs/ 200lb/ 5'10"  / 32" waist / 8-10% BF/   many would would consider this ripped.

Not IFBB stage ripped you idiot!

[gh15]

10% is not ripped my friend,,far far from it,,ripped is when you see the piano keys right and left side of under the lats,,ripped is when you see xmas tree coming up ,,ripped is when your veins poping from delts into the chest...arm veins mean nothing,,but veins into the chest...from delts...that! mean ripped

gh15 approved

[1stkeepitreal]

10% is not ripped my friend,,far far from it,,ripped is when you see the piano keys right and left side of under the lats,,ripped is when you see xmas tree coming up ,,ripped is when your veins poping from delts into the chest...arm veins mean nothing,,but veins into the chest...from delts...that! mean ripped

gh15 approved

you read as well as you write -  just like a first grader.

Ripped for natural can not be the same as ripped for a anabolic user....thus the differences in BF.

Normal people do not walk around in public with thier shirt off, so nobody gives a flying fock how many veins you have in your chest on any given day.

get a clue already.

[jrod]

You wanna compete in the IFBB do steroids, if not what's the point.

This X2

[DK II]

Training naturally is for the shitter, better stay home and watch TV.

[Papper]

Sure you do think about it occasionally but the option is to not train and look even shittier?

[supernick]

you read as well as you write -  just like a first grader.

Ripped for natural can not be the same as ripped for a anabolic user....thus the differences in BF.

Normal people do not walk around in public with thier shirt off, so nobody gives a flying fock how many veins you have in your chest on any given day.

get a clue already.

Naturals can get just as ripped as drug users, you know nothing!!!

[Tito24]

i got veins on my chest and delts too but im far from ripped

[gh15]

i got veins on my chest and delts too but im far from ripped

not the veins im talking about friend,,im talking about veins that are visible with out flexing,,veins that go from the arm through the delt into the chest....into the main artery...they can be thick or thin...but they are there....those are not same veins you talk about ,,you talk about little vessels,, i talk abotu veins that come out due to bodybuild being lean as in sub 7-8%

gh15 approved

[YngiweRhoads]

You wanna compete in the IFBB do steroids, if not what's the point.

Yep.

I'd say low self esteem, for the most part.

[YngiweRhoads]

Training naturally is for the shitter, better stay home and watch TV.

 

[local hero]

You wanna compete in the IFBB do steroids, if not what's the point.

[Schmoe Buster]

Training naturally is for the shitter, better stay home and watch TV.

This^^

if you want to look like a twink forever then be natural, if you want to look like a bodybuilder and be ripped while looking pumped all the time then take hormones

[Ex Coelis]

a lot naive little women in this thread wasting their money on noxplode and creakic

gayer than spending a fortune to look like shit because you're too afraid to man-up and do the real thing

[James28]

Been training naturally on and off for 15 years. Well, I had a 3 year break in between where I did maintenance work. Started at 15, I'm 30 now. Weight went from 160 lb to 242 that I'm weighing right now. This is at 6'3. Body fat around 12%, give or take. Every muscle is visible and I'm nicely defined and cut, but I'm soft in comparison to the roid lot in the gym. Unless I go down that road, I'm thinking I can hit 250 before running into a brick wall. The last year I gained 8 lbs. Disheartening to think I have another good 30-35 years left in the gym and I'm already approaching or have approached my natural limit.

[Ex Coelis]

Been training naturally on and off for 15 years. Well, I had a 3 year break in between where I did maintenance work. Started at 15, I'm 30 now. Weight went from 160 lb to 242 that I'm weighing right now. This is at 6'3. Body fat around 12%, give or take. Every muscle is visible and I'm nicely defined and cut, but I'm soft in comparison to the roid lot in the gym. Unless I go down that road, I'm thinking I can hit 250 before running into a brick wall. The last year I gained 8 lbs. Disheartening to think I have another good 30-35 years left in the gym and I'm already approaching or have approached my natural limit.

congratulations: you're fat

15 years later . . .