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I really enjoying this cycle and Im getting great gains.   How long can I ride this shit out.  And what should my dosage be long term.  I was planning 12 weeks and I am at week 2 now.     I would liek to ride this out until atleast oct.     How can I make this last. What should I be taking.   Currently on 700 mg of test per week and 50 mg d bol daily.  weights 270lbs @ 6.3    currently 10% bf as of this morning
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Re: LOng cycle???
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2011, 12:23:17 AM »
I really enjoying this cycle and Im getting great gains.   How long can I ride this shit out.  And what should my dosage be long term.  I was planning 12 weeks and I am at week 2 now.     I would liek to ride this out until atleast oct.     How can I make this last. What should I be taking.   Currently on 700 mg of test per week and 50 mg d bol daily.  weights 270lbs @ 6.3    currently 10% bf as of this morning
After 12 weeks.

50 mg test prop
100mg NPP
150 mg tren ace
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This will give you same kind of strength gains but dryer not bloofy. THE best cycle i've been on ever. After 12 weeks 750-1000 mg test and 100-150 mg anadrol. At the fourth week will add deca at 600-800 mg and cease the anadrol at the sixth week. That's what i'm doing anyways. You will eventually learn that going off makes no sense and if you want to go "off" you just cruise for a while at 500 mg a week of test. People who claim they keep their gains after going off are either dilusional or are only clean for a very short time. Of course the entire time clean they are planning their next cycle constantly obsessing about it. Just stay on dude.

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Re: LOng cycle???
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2011, 12:26:47 AM »
I really enjoying this cycle and Im getting great gains.   How long can I ride this shit out.  And what should my dosage be long term.  I was planning 12 weeks and I am at week 2 now.     I would liek to ride this out until atleast oct.     How can I make this last. What should I be taking.   Currently on 700 mg of test per week and 50 mg d bol daily.  weights 270lbs @ 6.3    currently 10% bf as of this morning

 10% bf and 270 pounds right  ;)

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Re: LOng cycle???
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2011, 01:08:05 AM »
if you are 270 10% you donīt need our advice...look at gh15 posts if you believe in god... test/dbol is a great cycle for mass, but you get bloated as a mofo and will look 12-13%... advice up is good...do that shit as a base for 10-12...then add in more BB kinda gear... 100 prop/100mast/100 tren ace aday...can do higher doses too but that percent of those 3 as la shajt...maybe lower cals abit and try to stay around 10%...start something up for extra cash and add gh in as much as you can afford...legit gh...genotropin is the shajt too...those shots that mix the water with gh when you shoot up...bing baam boom!
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Re: LOng cycle???
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2011, 01:33:58 AM »
life is very simple when it come to bodybuilder,,

we truly never come off,,we only adjust doses and products,,I'm being very serious here,, i keep saying it in bible but from time to time few gullibles come along and talk about 8 week 12 week ,,you cant make no solid gains in this time,,why would anyone go 8 weeks and then off?? you gain then you lose no matter what all the gains or most of them ,,and yes you lose them ,,you lose them to a new minimum but you do lose majority of them and later on if stay off long enough ALL of them ,,

i said it before fellas


you always want bodybuild to be lean always ,, you do it with trenbolona ace propioneta and masterona,, you do it with gh as a prime before start cycle and during ...letter on you drop the gh to get in better condition aka for water to drop and skin to shrink wrap the way you want it so your lines can look clearly visible and that your definition is not lackin due to water held on physique even minimal water will do it to you so you minimize the water ,,not eliminate but minimize during this stage,,

then...when time come and you don't parading around like a peacok in the all the gyms in the city ,,,after you competed,, after you made sure all family see how muscular thick and lean and cut you are...you take a deep breath and tell yourself the following...

do i want to stay 190lb 6% and compare myself to the fruit of the loom panties model every time I'm in walmart ...or....do i want to look more like bodybuild from magazine ad in even bigger and larger muscle diameter and larger proportions and thicker density ...when you done asking yourself this...you take the digital camera from your girlfriend ,,you steal it for few hours,,and take as many picturres of yourself as you can so later on when you get mental break down when you gain some water weight that you mistaken for fat..you can look back at the pictures and not die,,

when you done taking those pictures in your lovely kitchen with the nice stage light on top that make you look the greatest bodybuild ever standing by yourself,,you do the following...

you get that hgh from the fridge....you put it into your fuckin delt and start GROWING THE FUCK AGAIN ,,this should go with npp and trenbolona ace testosterona shoudl come on later on after avaluation of physique 2 weeks into it ,,,do not go higher dose of testosterona until you see how you respond to npp...

so to conclude this  lesson


you go take the gh ,,stick it in your muscle yes you got that  right MUSCLE,,

you take npp and load into the syringe and stick it into your butt,,yes it can be into scar tissue too you don't have to poke yourself al over the damn body ,,the steroid go through your ass like there is no tomorrow ,,ass is best place

then you take your trenbolona and add it in one injection even with the nandrolona phnyl prop ....inject them both ,,

you go lower doses to begin with on the testosterona as in 50-75 mg every 2 day ,,until you evaluate progress 2-3 weeks into it ,,then if everything good up the testosterona into where you want it to be as logn as you have enough gh ,,where you want to be = final size

and finally use masterona from the beginning,,with the npp and the lower dose test,,use it low dose then increase the higher you go on testosterona .... it will be your best anti estrogen that you could ever imagined

that's it my friend,,this is the way to cut anf grow to new dimensions...cut and grow ...then cut and grow...always increasing 5-6 lb from cut to cut stages ,,5-6 lb is all you need in order to build solid physique ...

what you don't need is to blow up like marshmelowheath ,,philsulin was it? you dont want to blow up this way ,,this is insulina and gh blow up and it is not what we call solid ,,it is all balooned and ready to drop moment he has a problem of over 3 months of supply or health due to excessive high doses  of specific drugs ... just do it right and you wont be sorry ,,

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Re: LOng cycle???
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2011, 01:46:03 AM »
no orals  ;)

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Re: LOng cycle???
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2011, 01:51:41 AM »
you can use orals instead of testosterona,,some do with great success,, i just say why even bother with liver stress ,,injections much better,,much much better than any oral ,,even the orals now day come in injections ,,they are still orals of course but they are made for injection ,,

testosterona give you all the fulness and thickness from water weight you need,,better than any oral ,,you just need to know how to adjust doses and how to work with diff esters... you need sometime to hold temptation to inject the higher dose in favor of lower dose while you increase something else,,

there is lots of muscle under the skin that many do not see as well as they want ,,including tight waist that many do not see because they abuse too much testosterona....yes testosterona need to be used but it got to go in direct relations to the legit gh you use,,and it got to be legit gh not some peptide from the basement of marcus cancon and sons

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Re: LOng cycle???
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2011, 03:41:54 AM »
life is very simple when it come to bodybuilder,,

we truly never come off,,we only adjust doses and products,,I'm being very serious here,, i keep saying it in bible but from time to time few gullibles come along and talk about 8 week 12 week ,,you cant make no solid gains in this time,,why would anyone go 8 weeks and then off?? you gain then you lose no matter what all the gains or most of them ,,and yes you lose them ,,you lose them to a new minimum but you do lose majority of them and later on if stay off long enough ALL of them ,,

i said it before fellas


you always want bodybuild to be lean always ,, you do it with trenbolona ace propioneta and masterona,, you do it with gh as a prime before start cycle and during ...letter on you drop the gh to get in better condition aka for water to drop and skin to shrink wrap the way you want it so your lines can look clearly visible and that your definition is not lackin due to water held on physique even minimal water will do it to you so you minimize the water ,,not eliminate but minimize during this stage,,

then...when time come and you don't parading around like a peacok in the all the gyms in the city ,,,after you competed,, after you made sure all family see how muscular thick and lean and cut you are...you take a deep breath and tell yourself the following...

do i want to stay 190lb 6% and compare myself to the fruit of the loom panties model every time I'm in walmart ...or....do i want to look more like bodybuild from magazine ad in even bigger and larger muscle diameter and larger proportions and thicker density ...when you done asking yourself this...you take the digital camera from your girlfriend ,,you steal it for few hours,,and take as many picturres of yourself as you can so later on when you get mental break down when you gain some water weight that you mistaken for fat..you can look back at the pictures and not die,,

when you done taking those pictures in your lovely kitchen with the nice stage light on top that make you look the greatest bodybuild ever standing by yourself,,you do the following...

you get that hgh from the fridge....you put it into your fuckin delt and start GROWING THE FUCK AGAIN ,,this should go with npp and trenbolona ace testosterona shoudl come on later on after avaluation of physique 2 weeks into it ,,,do not go higher dose of testosterona until you see how you respond to npp...

so to conclude this  lesson


you go take the gh ,,stick it in your muscle yes you got that  right MUSCLE,,

you take npp and load into the syringe and stick it into your butt,,yes it can be into scar tissue too you don't have to poke yourself al over the damn body ,,the steroid go through your ass like there is no tomorrow ,,ass is best place

then you take your trenbolona and add it in one injection even with the nandrolona phnyl prop ....inject them both ,,

you go lower doses to begin with on the testosterona as in 50-75 mg every 2 day ,,until you evaluate progress 2-3 weeks into it ,,then if everything good up the testosterona into where you want it to be as logn as you have enough gh ,,where you want to be = final size

and finally use masterona from the beginning,,with the npp and the lower dose test,,use it low dose then increase the higher you go on testosterona .... it will be your best anti estrogen that you could ever imagined

that's it my friend,,this is the way to cut anf grow to new dimensions...cut and grow ...then cut and grow...always increasing 5-6 lb from cut to cut stages ,,5-6 lb is all you need in order to build solid physique ...

what you don't need is to blow up like marshmelowheath ,,philsulin was it? you dont want to blow up this way ,,this is insulina and gh blow up and it is not what we call solid ,,it is all balooned and ready to drop moment he has a problem of over 3 months of supply or health due to excessive high doses  of specific drugs ... just do it right and
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Re: LOng cycle???
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2011, 04:01:42 AM »
I really enjoying this cycle and Im getting great gains.   How long can I ride this shit out.  And what should my dosage be long term.  I was planning 12 weeks and I am at week 2 now.     I would liek to ride this out until atleast oct.     How can I make this last. What should I be taking.   Currently on 700 mg of test per week and 50 mg d bol daily.  weights 270lbs @ 6.3    currently 10% bf as of this morning
150mgs anapolon for 24 weeks. Good luck.

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Re: LOng cycle???
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2011, 09:45:20 PM »
150mgs anapolon for 24 weeks. Good luck.
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Re: LOng cycle???
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2011, 10:06:47 PM »
life is very simple when it come to bodybuilder,,

we truly never come off,,we only adjust doses and products,,I'm being very serious here,, i keep saying it in bible but from time to time few gullibles come along and talk about 8 week 12 week ,,you cant make no solid gains in this time,,why would anyone go 8 weeks and then off?? you gain then you lose no matter what all the gains or most of them ,,and yes you lose them ,,you lose them to a new minimum but you do lose majority of them and later on if stay off long enough ALL of them ,,

i said it before fellas


you always want bodybuild to be lean always ,, you do it with trenbolona ace propioneta and masterona,, you do it with gh as a prime before start cycle and during ...letter on you drop the gh to get in better condition aka for water to drop and skin to shrink wrap the way you want it so your lines can look clearly visible and that your definition is not lackin due to water held on physique even minimal water will do it to you so you minimize the water ,,not eliminate but minimize during this stage,,

then...when time come and you don't parading around like a peacok in the all the gyms in the city ,,,after you competed,, after you made sure all family see how muscular thick and lean and cut you are...you take a deep breath and tell yourself the following...

do i want to stay 190lb 6% and compare myself to the fruit of the loom panties model every time I'm in walmart ...or....do i want to look more like bodybuild from magazine ad in even bigger and larger muscle diameter and larger proportions and thicker density ...when you done asking yourself this...you take the digital camera from your girlfriend ,,you steal it for few hours,,and take as many picturres of yourself as you can so later on when you get mental break down when you gain some water weight that you mistaken for fat..you can look back at the pictures and not die,,

when you done taking those pictures in your lovely kitchen with the nice stage light on top that make you look the greatest bodybuild ever standing by yourself,,you do the following...

you get that hgh from the fridge....you put it into your fuckin delt and start GROWING THE FUCK AGAIN ,,this should go with npp and trenbolona ace testosterona shoudl come on later on after avaluation of physique 2 weeks into it ,,,do not go higher dose of testosterona until you see how you respond to npp...

so to conclude this  lesson


you go take the gh ,,stick it in your muscle yes you got that  right MUSCLE,,

you take npp and load into the syringe and stick it into your butt,,yes it can be into scar tissue too you don't have to poke yourself al over the damn body ,,the steroid go through your ass like there is no tomorrow ,,ass is best place

then you take your trenbolona and add it in one injection even with the nandrolona phnyl prop ....inject them both ,,

you go lower doses to begin with on the testosterona as in 50-75 mg every 2 day ,,until you evaluate progress 2-3 weeks into it ,,then if everything good up the testosterona into where you want it to be as logn as you have enough gh ,,where you want to be = final size

and finally use masterona from the beginning,,with the npp and the lower dose test,,use it low dose then increase the higher you go on testosterona .... it will be your best anti estrogen that you could ever imagined

that's it my friend,,this is the way to cut anf grow to new dimensions...cut and grow ...then cut and grow...always increasing 5-6 lb from cut to cut stages ,,5-6 lb is all you need in order to build solid physique ...

what you don't need is to blow up like marshmelowheath ,,philsulin was it? you dont want to blow up this way ,,this is insulina and gh blow up and it is not what we call solid ,,it is all balooned and ready to drop moment he has a problem of over 3 months of supply or health due to excessive high doses  of specific drugs ... just do it right and you wont be sorry ,,

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Re: LOng cycle???
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2011, 10:16:46 PM »
why


Uhhhhhhhhhhhh.... I thought the answer was painfully obvious, but then again, maybe it's just me.

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Re: Getting great gains on the cycle - how long can I stay on it?
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2011, 02:26:05 AM »
gh15 talking shit again...actually, talking about only what he knows..and thats about what drug abusers do..thats the extent of your knowledge.

monkey see, monkey do.

every time ive done a cycle ive kept 75% of the gains..when off for long enough ive eventually ended up close to what i was even whilst on.

first cycle put on 10kg, went off for 12 weeks. lost 3kg in the first few weeks off, then slowly got it ALL back. second cycle put on another 8kg or so..same deal. by the third cycle id put on 25kg from my completely natural base which was about 10kg on top of a sporting physique that dabbled in weights.

went off for 2 years.. was EXACTLY the same weight that i left my last cycle on and was slightly stronger also.

this happens EVERY time.

you see, you live in a world of drug users who dont know anything else but drugs and drugs to make gains. you chat amongst yourselves and justify your usage to make yourselves feel better and all the while you train far from optimally, dont train hard enough, and arent at all disciplined in any real endeavours.

you invent these stories so anyone who makes other claims or discoveries can be ridiculed for your own psychii- it helps keep you believing in yourself.

whatever floats your boat.

IF you take loads of gear and slin and HGH and so on, well the losses may be greater- but no way do you lose it all and end up going on and off like you say...absolutely no way..that logic defies muscle memory and the very rules of progressive overload that you base your limited understanding on.

as usual, your nut huggers will come on here- not because they know any better- but for the very same reason you continue to post your bullshit- it helps them justify mediocrity and helps their fragile egos.

the real tragedy here is that you couldnt have possibly met anyone who dabbled in gear from time to time, and had plenty of time (years) off, but worked hard and were consistent- otherwise you'd see that what you speak of is a complete and utter crock of shit.


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Re: Getting great gains on the cycle - how long can I stay on it?
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2011, 02:33:28 AM »
lol at philsulin :D

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Re: Getting great gains on the cycle - how long can I stay on it?
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2011, 02:39:17 AM »
gh15 talking shit again...actually, talking about only what he knows..and thats about what drug abusers do..thats the extent of your knowledge.

monkey see, monkey do.

every time ive done a cycle ive kept 75% of the gains..when off for long enough ive eventually ended up close to what i was even whilst on.

first cycle put on 10kg, went off for 12 weeks. lost 3kg in the first few weeks off, then slowly got it ALL back. second cycle put on another 8kg or so..same deal. by the third cycle id put on 25kg from my completely natural base which was about 10kg on top of a sporting physique that dabbled in weights.

went off for 2 years.. was EXACTLY the same weight that i left my last cycle on and was slightly stronger also.

this happens EVERY time.

you see, you live in a world of drug users who dont know anything else but drugs and drugs to make gains. you chat amongst yourselves and justify your usage to make yourselves feel better and all the while you train far from optimally, dont train hard enough, and arent at all disciplined in any real endeavours.

you invent these stories so anyone who makes other claims or discoveries can be ridiculed for your own psychii- it helps keep you believing in yourself.

whatever floats your boat.

IF you take loads of gear and slin and HGH and so on, well the losses may be greater- but no way do you lose it all and end up going on and off like you say...absolutely no way..that logic defies muscle memory and the very rules of progressive overload that you base your limited understanding on.

as usual, your nut huggers will come on here- not because they know any better- but for the very same reason you continue to post your bullshit- it helps them justify mediocrity and helps their fragile egos.

the real tragedy here is that you couldnt have possibly met anyone who dabbled in gear from time to time, and had plenty of time (years) off, but worked hard and were consistent- otherwise you'd see that what you speak of is a complete and utter crock of shit.


Totally agree my friend.I ran a few cycles about 5 years ago being the last one, and today im stronger than I was back then.I dont weigh as much but im not 1 for wanting to gain massive weight.I think its bullshit for someone to say you lose everything once you stop

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Re: Getting great gains on the cycle - how long can I stay on it?
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2011, 02:39:31 AM »
gh15 talking shit again...actually, talking about only what he knows..and thats about what drug abusers do..thats the extent of your knowledge.

monkey see, monkey do.

every time ive done a cycle ive kept 75% of the gains..when off for long enough ive eventually ended up close to what i was even whilst on.

first cycle put on 10kg, went off for 12 weeks. lost 3kg in the first few weeks off, then slowly got it ALL back. second cycle put on another 8kg or so..same deal. by the third cycle id put on 25kg from my completely natural base which was about 10kg on top of a sporting physique that dabbled in weights.

went off for 2 years.. was EXACTLY the same weight that i left my last cycle on and was slightly stronger also.

this happens EVERY time.

you see, you live in a world of drug users who dont know anything else but drugs and drugs to make gains. you chat amongst yourselves and justify your usage to make yourselves feel better and all the while you train far from optimally, dont train hard enough, and arent at all disciplined in any real endeavours.

you invent these stories so anyone who makes other claims or discoveries can be ridiculed for your own psychii- it helps keep you believing in yourself.

whatever floats your boat.

IF you take loads of gear and slin and HGH and so on, well the losses may be greater- but no way do you lose it all and end up going on and off like you say...absolutely no way..that logic defies muscle memory and the very rules of progressive overload that you base your limited understanding on.

as usual, your nut huggers will come on here- not because they know any better- but for the very same reason you continue to post your bullshit- it helps them justify mediocrity and helps their fragile egos.

the real tragedy here is that you couldnt have possibly met anyone who dabbled in gear from time to time, and had plenty of time (years) off, but worked hard and were consistent- otherwise you'd see that what you speak of is a complete and utter crock of shit.



no,,what you say is wrong,,on many aspects,,from the loads of hormones to the keeping gains,,and everythign in between ,,since with you it isw mute point to discuss anything about true competetive bodybuild..then there is no need to answer ,,read bible friend,,gain on steroids are not keepable ,,not on little steroids and not on lots,,you wil get to new minimum which is usualy your natural limit + few lbs ,,all the rest are on hormones,,and not only on hormones,,but addicted,,they go from vial to vial ,,their sourece is their doctor...this is pretty much how much they buy

its a big problems with fellas such as yourself ,,only thin you do is come with curses but in reality you have no clue to understanding of real bodybuild,,eventhough for many years i put it here wide and clear...you show up somwhere lately and claim otherwise...if what you say was truth you would be competing ,,you would be winning shows,,and you would makw money off bodybuild,,

i do you dont,,

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Re: Getting great gains on the cycle - how long can I stay on it?
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2011, 02:40:59 AM »
Totally agree my friend.I ran a few cycles about 5 years ago being the last one, and today im stronger than I was back then.I dont weigh as much but im not 1 for wanting to gain massive weight.I think its bullshit for someone to say you lose everything once you stop

you lose everything down to the last lb ,,,you wil stay in new minimum you created but also it will go back to where god wanted you truly naturaly ,,,if you were malnurished before then you will remain with what you were supoosed to have naturaly as in you will keep what you were supposed to gain if you gained it naturaly from eating like normal human being and not like staved kid ,,this is just the way it is,, you not only lose muscle but you gain water and fat and estrogen in very alarming speed,,

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Re: Getting great gains on the cycle - how long can I stay on it?
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2011, 03:06:25 AM »
gh15 talking shit again...actually, talking about only what he knows..and thats about what drug abusers do..thats the extent of your knowledge.

monkey see, monkey do.

every time ive done a cycle ive kept 75% of the gains..when off for long enough ive eventually ended up close to what i was even whilst on.

first cycle put on 10kg, went off for 12 weeks. lost 3kg in the first few weeks off, then slowly got it ALL back. second cycle put on another 8kg or so..same deal. by the third cycle id put on 25kg from my completely natural base which was about 10kg on top of a sporting physique that dabbled in weights.

went off for 2 years.. was EXACTLY the same weight that i left my last cycle on and was slightly stronger also.

this happens EVERY time.

you see, you live in a world of drug users who dont know anything else but drugs and drugs to make gains. you chat amongst yourselves and justify your usage to make yourselves feel better and all the while you train far from optimally, dont train hard enough, and arent at all disciplined in any real endeavours.

you invent these stories so anyone who makes other claims or discoveries can be ridiculed for your own psychii- it helps keep you believing in yourself.

whatever floats your boat.

IF you take loads of gear and slin and HGH and so on, well the losses may be greater- but no way do you lose it all and end up going on and off like you say...absolutely no way..that logic defies muscle memory and the very rules of progressive overload that you base your limited understanding on.

as usual, your nut huggers will come on here- not because they know any better- but for the very same reason you continue to post your bullshit- it helps them justify mediocrity and helps their fragile egos.

the real tragedy here is that you couldnt have possibly met anyone who dabbled in gear from time to time, and had plenty of time (years) off, but worked hard and were consistent- otherwise you'd see that what you speak of is a complete and utter crock of shit.


Oh fuck off dick - it's impossible to keep what you gain on cycle as the circulating hormones return to where they were when you first put the drugs into your body - so going from way up here back to way down there - the hormones are what inhance recovery and let you gain all this extra lean tissue you take them away and you go back to where you were - just like any foreign substance you intoduce to the body - take it away and you return to where you were hence why you should have a few years lifting under your belt before getting on unless of course you want to become pro level.The only time you retain anything is after the first go and this is minimal - once thats gone then you are either on or off - and dont look at scale weight tubby - just because you weigh the same or more does not mean you have kept lean tissue its fat or water - end of story. heres a simple way for you to understand it - pro's on a cruise dose of 2 gram a week up the dose and blow up even more they then return to the cruise dose of 2 gram - what happens ? they shrink back to where they were at the start on that cruise dose ..  ::)

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Re: LOng cycle???
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2011, 04:05:08 AM »
After 12 weeks.

50 mg test prop
100mg NPP
150 mg tren ace
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This will give you same kind of strength gains but dryer not bloofy. THE best cycle i've been on ever. After 12 weeks 750-1000 mg test and 100-150 mg anadrol. At the fourth week will add deca at 600-800 mg and cease the anadrol at the sixth week. That's what i'm doing anyways. You will eventually learn that going off makes no sense and if you want to go "off" you just cruise for a while at 500 mg a week of test. People who claim they keep their gains after going off are either dilusional or are only clean for a very short time. Of course the entire time clean they are planning their next cycle constantly obsessing about it. Just stay on dude.
exactly! off = loosing mass...
just cruise on some test.... and every now and then switch products....
i love NPP and Test prop as well, i am on it right now with some stanozolol..
i love tren, but can not use it year round.... hard for me psycologicly... really fucks me up in the head...
hgh every few months... on and off.....
no sense in going off completely....it actually is harder for your body !
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Re: Getting great gains on the cycle - how long can I stay on it?
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2011, 04:54:49 AM »
gh15 talking shit again...actually, talking about only what he knows..and thats about what drug abusers do..thats the extent of your knowledge.

monkey see, monkey do.

every time ive done a cycle ive kept 75% of the gains..when off for long enough ive eventually ended up close to what i was even whilst on.

first cycle put on 10kg, went off for 12 weeks. lost 3kg in the first few weeks off, then slowly got it ALL back. second cycle put on another 8kg or so..same deal. by the third cycle id put on 25kg from my completely natural base which was about 10kg on top of a sporting physique that dabbled in weights.

went off for 2 years.. was EXACTLY the same weight that i left my last cycle on and was slightly stronger also.

this happens EVERY time.

you see, you live in a world of drug users who dont know anything else but drugs and drugs to make gains. you chat amongst yourselves and justify your usage to make yourselves feel better and all the while you train far from optimally, dont train hard enough, and arent at all disciplined in any real endeavours.

you invent these stories so anyone who makes other claims or discoveries can be ridiculed for your own psychii- it helps keep you believing in yourself.

whatever floats your boat.

IF you take loads of gear and slin and HGH and so on, well the losses may be greater- but no way do you lose it all and end up going on and off like you say...absolutely no way..that logic defies muscle memory and the very rules of progressive overload that you base your limited understanding on.

as usual, your nut huggers will come on here- not because they know any better- but for the very same reason you continue to post your bullshit- it helps them justify mediocrity and helps their fragile egos.

the real tragedy here is that you couldnt have possibly met anyone who dabbled in gear from time to time, and had plenty of time (years) off, but worked hard and were consistent- otherwise you'd see that what you speak of is a complete and utter crock of shit.



Above post - no discussion of body fat percentage. Pretty common for dudes with 15-20 percent bodyfat and slight outline of abs and slight love handles to think they are 8-10 percent and "big". If you're body fat is 12-15% at the start of the cycle and 15-20% after a few months off you won't notice dramatic losses unless you take a lot of photos.

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Re: Getting great gains on the cycle - how long can I stay on it?
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2011, 05:01:36 AM »
Oh fuck off dick - it's impossible to keep what you gain on cycle as the circulating hormones return to where they were when you first put the drugs into your body - so going from way up here back to way down there - the hormones are what inhance recovery and let you gain all this extra lean tissue you take them away and you go back to where you were - just like any foreign substance you intoduce to the body - take it away and you return to where you were hence why you should have a few years lifting under your belt before getting on unless of course you want to become pro level.The only time you retain anything is after the first go and this is minimal - once thats gone then you are either on or off - and dont look at scale weight tubby - just because you weigh the same or more does not mean you have kept lean tissue its fat or water - end of story. heres a simple way for you to understand it - pro's on a cruise dose of 2 gram a week up the dose and blow up even more they then return to the cruise dose of 2 gram - what happens ? they shrink back to where they were at the start on that cruise dose ..  ::)
no sense in talking to these kids man!
they just do not get it! will not get it, to ignorant.

to quote the great Dan Duchaine.... you lease the body! you do not buy it!
everything you build with the hormones, you will loose ....!
might take 3 months, might take a litlle longer.... but you will loose it all when going off.....
just a fact... no discussion
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Re: Getting great gains on the cycle - how long can I stay on it?
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2011, 05:03:21 AM »
no sense in talking to these kids man!
they just do not get it! will not get it, to ignorant.

to quote the great Dan Duchaine.... you lease the body! you do not buy it!
everything you build with the hormones, you will loose ....!
might take 3 months, might take a litlle longer.... but you will loose it all when going off.....
just a fact... no discussion


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Re: Getting great gains on the cycle - how long can I stay on it?
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2011, 05:14:26 AM »
philsulin was it?

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Re: Getting great gains on the cycle - how long can I stay on it?
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2011, 08:18:38 AM »
friends i never understand how tren ''fucks with people minds''.. all bro science imo i feel calm as a baby most of the time on 100mg/day.. but then again i use prami once in a while to control prolactin and stuff...

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Re: Getting great gains on the cycle - how long can I stay on it?
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2011, 08:42:47 AM »
so back to my question.    How long can I stay on.  And if I finish this cycle what should I take to just cruise to the next one.  thanks.

I agree that without juice you will return to your original weight.  I am sure you could carry over a few pounds However its unlikely for most lifters
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