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Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working
« on: May 24, 2011, 11:34:02 AM »
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Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working

Rick Ungar of Forbes is reporting that recent data provided by the nation’s largest health insurance companies reveals that a provision of the Affordable Care Act -- "Obamacare" – is bringing big numbers of the uninsured into the health care insurance system. The uninsured in this study include the sick and the young.

The provision of the law that permits young adults under 26, long the largest uninsured demographic in the country, to remain on their parents’ health insurance program resulted in at least 600,000 newly insured Americans during the first quarter of 2011.

Wellpoint, the nation’s largest publicly traded health insurer with some 34 million customers, reports adding 280,000 new members in the first three months of 2011.

Add in the results of some of the other large health insurers including Aetna, who added just short of 100,000 newly insured to their customer base, Kaiser Permanente’s additional 90,000, and Highmark’s 72,000 new customers, and we begin to sense our health insurance pools are filling up with some badly needed young blood.

The Health & Human Services Department had estimated that the changes in the law would result in about 1.2 million new enrollees in 2011. However, according to Aaron Smith, the executive director of a Washington based non-profit that advocates for the young, it now looks as if that number will be exceeded.

This is very good news – particularly for those in the individual and small group markets that tend not to ‘self-insure’ as the larger corporations tend to do.

It is also very good news for those of us who write a large check every  month for our health coverage.

For starters, every one of the young immortals we add to the rolls of the insured is one less young adult who will turn to the emergency room to fix a broken leg and then find themselves unable to pay the bill – leaving it to the rest of us to pay the tab.

And it gets better.

Because the under 26 crowd tends not to get sick, adding them to the insurance pools helps bring the very balance that was intended by the new law.  The more healthy people available to pay for those in the pool who are ill (translation- the older people), the better the system works and the lower our premium charges should go.

Health insurance companies are making record profits for the first quarter of 2011. It is not rocket science -- more healthy young people on the rolls bring balance and income. This raises the question of whether health insurance companies should be able to keep that extra money they are pocketing or forced to hold the line on premiums as a result of their good fortune? Whatever the case, having more people with insurance is a good thing. Having young people get the medical attention that they need now as opposed to later, hopefully means they will be less sick in the future. The haters and naysayers can continue to label this good news as "Obamacare," as if it's a bad thing, while supporters have concrete proof that affordable health care is working for all Americans, including Republicans.

Read more at Forbes.

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Re: Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2011, 11:37:37 AM »
Are you freaking kidding with this?   Seriously? 

 

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Re: Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2011, 11:51:00 AM »
BOOM!
Abandon every hope...

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Re: Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2011, 11:52:56 AM »
Are you freaking kidding with this?   Seriously?  

  

I am just reporting the news.   :)


Anything you can counter with that directly addresses the topic would be very much welcome.  

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Re: Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2011, 11:55:00 AM »
Forbes hates obama usually.

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Re: Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2011, 11:56:53 AM »
Yes.  


1.   Most of those under 26 y/o are collge grads without jobs still on the parents insurance.  

2.  Screwing over young people to pay out the yin yang for old people with insurance they will never use is no real accomplishment.  sorry, again, I know econ 101 and reality elude the typical liberal nut, but it is what it is.  

3.  Premiums for small and big businesses are skyrocketing for these so called "accomplishments" you want to applaud.   Re-distribution of wealth communist style.  

4.  Many companies are closing and consolidating to where there are less choices available.  

5.  There are far less generics available to people.  


    

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Re: Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2011, 12:08:57 PM »
Yes.  


1.   Most of those under 26 y/o are collge grads without jobs still on the parents insurance.  

2.  Screwing over young people to pay out the yin yang for old people with insurance they will never use is no real accomplishment.  sorry, again, I know econ 101 and reality elude the typical liberal nut, but it is what it is.  

3.  Premiums for small and big businesses are skyrocketing for these so called "accomplishments" you want to applaud.   Re-distribution of wealth communist style.  

4.  Many companies are closing and consolidating to where there are less choices available.  

5.  There are far less generics available to people.  


    

Have to agree, forcing people into the insurance "shell game" is not a solution it is another "kick the can down the road" proposal. Is still find it amazing that people actually believe the same government that created the monopolization of the health care is going to fix it. None of this will mean a damn thing once this POS is found unconstitutional.
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Re: Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2011, 01:26:13 PM »
If the sole objective of "Obamacare" was to insure those who did not have health insurance, then of course it is "working". No one doubted that more people would be insured. That is what happens when you pass a UNIVERSAL health care legislation.

HOWEVER, you nitwits forgot that Barry claimed that in ADDITION to insuring another 24 million people it would LOWER PREMIUMS. It would lower premiums so much that your boss would be able to afford to give you a raise.

That article is garbage. It is pure speculation. There are no numbers/figures given as to how much these new people that are now in "the pool" are bringing in to pay for the old people.

I would rather pay attention to what is actually happening than the theory of another person. Right now, thousands of waivers are being given to businesses in order to exempt them from Obamacare. Why is that???  Because there is no way, NO WAY that a nation can provide health insurance for another 20+ million people and at the same time lower insurance premiums. Insurance premiums are based on risk, not how many people you get to enroll for a certain insurance.

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Re: Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2011, 01:28:01 PM »
It won't matter anyway. The law is unconstitutional and it should be ruled as such by the Supreme Court.

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Re: Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2011, 01:53:57 PM »

5.  There are far less generics available to people.  


    

Dude, could you please expand on this?  I'm not following.....
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Re: Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2011, 02:08:45 PM »
I am just reporting the news.   :)


Anything you can counter with that directly addresses the topic would be very much welcome.  

He'll search for a right wing slant.  Funny considering he loves it when Forbes destroys Obama.  But now all of the sudden they're as wrong as can be. 
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Re: Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2011, 02:59:07 PM »
I am just reporting the news.   :)


Anything you can counter with that directly addresses the topic would be very much welcome. 


No, you're just posting an opinion piece from Forbes wherein the author is arguing that because one aspect of Obamacare is going into effect, that that constitutes "solid proof" that Obamacare is working.

I'd like to know the financial offsets as well as how this is going to help the Medicaid/Medicare issue that's going to be the real problem.  In other words, we have to wait until the big benefits begin and assess the real costs for any kind of meaningful evaluation.

Otherwise we could just claim that the database consolidations helped to save money so it's "solid proof" Obamacare is working.....hardly.

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Re: Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2011, 03:36:02 PM »
Some might say most news is opinion but you are correct.  Either way not too much substantial debate supporting it so far. 

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Re: Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2011, 05:39:17 PM »
LOL 3333 hit the nail on the head...college kids who can now stay on their parents health insurance until 26...

premiums are going up...that wasnt what was supposed to happen...but i guess its still working right? LMFAO

just wait friends, this bill is a small business killer...do you know that the number of enrolled ppl in mass under romney care actually decreased after its ins bill was passed?


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Re: Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2011, 05:41:06 PM »
Can someone explain how great Obamacare is when even Pelosi and Reid are securing waivers for their districts?  ::)

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Re: Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2011, 05:41:29 PM »
The problem will be that it will be cheaper to not carry insurance and pay the penalty at the end of the year then it will be to carry insurance the entire year.

AND b/c of the no pre existing conditions clause ppl will have no incentive to spend the extra money to carry insurance...

why would you carry insurance if the penalty is less than the premiums and you can sign up after you need it?

LMAO just wait my friends...


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Re: Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2011, 06:10:36 PM »
AARP's ObamaCare Endgame Revealed
 Americanthinker.com ^ | May 24, 2011 | Chuck Rogér




We now have a clear picture of the treachery in which AARP has engaged since President Obama took office. The Daily Caller reports that the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has granted Medigap policy sellers, including the American Association of Retired Persons, exemption from ObamaCare-mandated federal supervision of insurance premium hikes. "Medigap" is an industry term for a type of coverage that helps pay medical costs not covered by Medicare.

Non-Medigap insurers, not exempted from ObamaCare's rate reviews, must justify rate increases. In effect, the HHS exemption gives AARP the ability to generate profits not achievable by non-exempted competitors.

It's important to remember that AARP helped push ObamaCare through Congress by contributing to a $121 million advertising campaign and paying for millions of dollars worth of Washington lobbying. AARP has betrayed the seniors whose interests the organization allegedly protects and positioned itself to make billions after playing along with the Obama administration's corporatist favoritism.

read full story at

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/aarps_obamacare_endgame_reveal.html


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Re: Rick Ungar: 'Obamacare' Is Working
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2011, 08:15:40 PM »
Of course more people are insured. When you give the biggest corporations in America and practically every single union a waiver allowing a one year reprieve from Osamacare, more people are going to get health insurance.

Also, in states like NY laws have been passed allowing the children of some union employees to piggy back onto their parents health insurance plans until age 26 and in some cases 29.

The article is complete and utter horseshit.