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Democrats: We値l Use NY-26 Medicare Formula Around The Country

National Democrats were united in their post-election message after their NY-26 win, issuing a flurry of statements claiming the race as a victory over Paul Ryan's Medicare plan.

Supporters chanted "Medicare" at Democrat Kathy Hocul's victory party, and she made it a centerpiece of her speech.

"We can ensure we do not decimate Medicare," Hochul said. "We will keep the promises made to our seniors who have spent their lives paying into Medicare, so they can count on health care when they need it most."

If Democrats have their way, there will be a lot more speeches along those lines come November 2012. The chairs of both legislative election committees made clear on Tuesday that they believe they have found a winning formula they intend to use elsewhere.

"The election last night showed that Democrats have the keys to drive the budget debate and play offense in 2012," Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA), chair of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, said in a statement. "The implications of this election extend to Senate races in battleground states and red states across the country. The results provide clear evidence that Democratic senators and senate candidates will be able to play offense across the country by remaining focused on the Republican effort to end Medicare and force seniors to pay thousands more for health care costs."

Rep. Steve Israel (D-NY), chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said that the party had "served notice to the Republicans" that the Medicare issue could hurt them.

"Even in one of the most Republican districts, seniors and independent voters rejected the Republican plan to end Medicare," he said. "The American people will continue to hold House Republicans accountable for their plan to end Medicare from now until election day 2012."

For Rob Zerban, a Democrat running against GOP budget guru Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) in 2012, the Hochul race was an instructive boost to his campaign hopes.

"I just am overwhelmed at the results from this election. It's a harbinger of things to come," he told TPM over the phone on Tuesday night. "I'm certainly going to make this a key issue in the 1st Congressional District in Wisconsin. ... Democrats are going to focus on how we can actualy shore up, strengthen, and keep Medicare solvent, and this will be a clear distinction in the 2012 cycle."

National Republicans were muted in their reactions to the race, but several cited the presence of an independent Tea Party candidate, Jack Davis, as evidence that the race was more exceptional than it appeared. Many cautioned that special elections -- an area where Republicans have a dismal track record in general -- are by no means predictive of the general election.

"Obviously, each side would rather win a special election than lose, but to predict the future based on the results of this unusual race is naive and risky," Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX), chair of the National Republican Congressional Committee, said in a statement.

But the strength of Hocul's support on election night, which compared favorably with Democratic wave years like 2006, led others to present a more stark picture. Conservative SuperPAC American Crossroads, while not conceding the cause of the NY-26 lost, warned its supporters that it was clear evidence 2012 would be a much tougher year for the right than the 2010 midterms. Several current and former Republican officials told Politico after the race that they were concerned about how poorly the GOP candidate was able to handle attacks on the Ryan plan.

"You can't just sit there and be a punching bag on this issue, and that's what they were," former NRCC chair Tom Davis said.

It's a long time to November 2012, however, and plenty can change. Democrats could agree to some Medicare cuts as part of a compromise to pass a debt ceiling increase and later a budget, potentially giving Republicans a valuable shield against attacks on their own proposal. Progressive groups, including MoveOn.org, Democracy For America, and the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, are already trying to head off such a deal, promoting a PPP poll they commissioned that shows Medicare and Social Security cuts would damage President Obama's re-election efforts in swing states like Ohio.

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Re: Democrats: We値l Use NY-26 Medicare Formula Around The Country
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2011, 10:56:38 AM »
Ryan would be VERY VERY wise to re-release a "version 2" of his budget.

Cuase a lot of people are gonna lose their races thanks to this new litmus test issue.  Look at Newt, look at this election.

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Re: Democrats: We値l Use NY-26 Medicare Formula Around The Country
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2011, 11:01:39 AM »
I'm sure Repubs are scratching their heads trying to figure out why people are not favor of scrapping Medicare and replacing it with a voucher system and while simultaneously giving even more tax breaks to multinational corporations


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Re: Democrats: We値l Use NY-26 Medicare Formula Around The Country
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2011, 11:03:40 AM »
Hie ego is gonna hurt the GOP.  IMO, he should muddy the waters - release amendments to his own bill, version 2... blurry the waters... create a moderate version so that nobody else loses their repub seats as a result of being tied to such a bill.


Paul Ryan doubles down, says seniors should pay for their own health care



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Re: Democrats: We値l Use NY-26 Medicare Formula Around The Country
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2011, 11:09:44 AM »
Andrea Mitchell: Word is Reid will have a vote on Ryan budget at 5pm


Looks like the repub senators are going to have to vote on it.

Which repubs will run from it?  Scott Brown already said he will.  Murkowski from alaska?  both senators from maine?

Imagine this bill FAILING in the senate... all those republican representatives dangling in the wind.

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Re: Democrats: We値l Use NY-26 Medicare Formula Around The Country
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2011, 11:21:08 AM »
Yeah Straw - NYS is overwhelming lib and the rat still only got 47% with a fluke taking 8% under tea party banner. 

Without that guy - the Repub would have won. 

Again - for a "financial" guy you really are dumb as shit with regard to medicare.

www.usdebtclock.org

   


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Re: Democrats: We値l Use NY-26 Medicare Formula Around The Country
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2011, 11:44:59 AM »
Yeah Straw - NYS is overwhelming lib and the rat still only got 47% with a fluke taking 8% under tea party banner. 

Without that guy - the Repub would have won. 

Again - for a "financial" guy you really are dumb as shit with regard to medicare.

www.usdebtclock.org

the Repub who resigned in disgrace won with a 70% margin

don't worry

this is just an anomaly

it doesn't mean a thing

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Re: Democrats: We値l Use NY-26 Medicare Formula Around The Country
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2011, 11:50:02 AM »
I'm talking about Medicare - 79 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities. 

www.usdebtclock.org


So keep cheering on the bullshit scam artists who want no change, no cuts, no curtailing this timb bomb waiting and ready to explode.   


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Re: Democrats: We値l Use NY-26 Medicare Formula Around The Country
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2011, 11:55:53 AM »
I'm sure Repubs are scratching their heads trying to figure out why people are not favor of scrapping Medicare and replacing it with a voucher system and while simultaneously giving even more tax breaks to multinational corporations



Tax breaks? You mean lowering the rates and closing the tax expenditures A.K.A. loopholes/abatements/credits/deductions/write-offs...right? So that you'll probably see an increase in taxes collected?

We've already been through this, 240 tried to bring up the same stuff with personal income rates, it didn't wash.

I don't agree with the voucher system either, but Ryan is the only person in D.C. to have actually released a comprehensive budget plan and have the balls to put his name on it....and what does he get besides slander, childish heckling, over the top hyperbole? Nothing.

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Re: Democrats: We値l Use NY-26 Medicare Formula Around The Country
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2011, 12:01:25 PM »
I'm talking about Medicare - 79 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities.  

www.usdebtclock.org


So keep cheering on the bullshit scam artists who want no change, no cuts, no curtailing this timb bomb waiting and ready to explode.  



why do you keep posting unsubstantiated numbers from the site usdebtclock.org

what do you know about that site

I assume alot, since you're constantly posting it on this site

tell us all about it

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Re: Democrats: We値l Use NY-26 Medicare Formula Around The Country
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2011, 12:03:00 PM »
Tax breaks? You mean lowering the rates and closing the tax expenditures A.K.A. loopholes/abatements/credits/deductions/write-offs...right? So that you'll probably see an increase in taxes collected?

We've already been through this, 240 tried to bring up the same stuff with personal income rates, it didn't wash.

I don't agree with the voucher system either, but Ryan is the only person in D.C. to have actually released a comprehensive budget plan and have the balls to put his name on it....and what does he get besides slander, childish heckling, over the top hyperbole? Nothing.

taxes are the lowest they've been in 50+ years

I have no problem going back to the crazy high tax rates of the Clinton era

that would be a good start

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Re: Democrats: We値l Use NY-26 Medicare Formula Around The Country
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2011, 12:05:58 PM »
taxes are the lowest they've been in 50+ years

I have no problem going back to the crazy high tax rates of the Clinton era

that would be a good start

Fine, lets also go back to Clinton era levels of spending.     Deal? 

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Re: Democrats: We値l Use NY-26 Medicare Formula Around The Country
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2011, 12:13:46 PM »
Fine, lets also go back to Clinton era levels of spending.     Deal? 

deal

that means we end the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and wherever our other secret wars are going on

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Re: Democrats: We値l Use NY-26 Medicare Formula Around The Country
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2011, 12:17:20 PM »
deal

that means we end the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and wherever our other secret wars are going on

Yeah, sorry but obama is starting wars, not ending them, starting new social welfare pgrams not ending them, etc. 

BTW - can we get rid of the Bushdrug bill, homeland security, whilewe are at it?   I'm ok with that.   

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Re: Democrats: We値l Use NY-26 Medicare Formula Around The Country
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2011, 12:17:49 PM »
taxes are the lowest they've been in 50+ years

I have no problem going back to the crazy high tax rates of the Clinton era

that would be a good start

Blanket statement that doesn't tell the whole truth and you know it.

#2)I'm not talking about rates, I'm talking about all of the loopholes,credits,abatements,deductions, write-offs that people (especially upper income) and corporations get that render those rates useless as a way to actually look at how much someone or some business pays.

Of course, you probably don't like that idea because of the big shiny numbers aren't big enough, even though they are a really useless marker.

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Re: Democrats: We値l Use NY-26 Medicare Formula Around The Country
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2011, 12:37:45 PM »
Blanket statement that doesn't tell the whole truth and you know it.

#2)I'm not talking about rates, I'm talking about all of the loopholes,credits,abatements,deductions, write-offs that people (especially upper income) and corporations get that render those rates useless as a way to actually look at how much someone or some business pays.

Of course, you probably don't like that idea because of the big shiny numbers aren't big enough, even though they are a really useless marker.

Here is a specific example just for you


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Re: Democrats: We値l Use NY-26 Medicare Formula Around The Country
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2011, 11:56:38 AM »
Boehnner admitting Medicare issue is hurting the repubs now




Boehner Offers First Reaction To GOP痴 NY-26 Defeat
Brian Beutler

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In his first public response to Tuesday's defeat, House Speaker John Boehner deviated slightly from that script.

"Special elections are just that: they're special. And when you look at what happened in this election, you had a third-party candidate who spent nearly $3 million attacking the Republican candidate. And I could be somewhat critical of how the campaign was run. But the fact is we didn't win. And the small part of the reason we didn't clearly had to do with Medicare.

Emphasis added.

He's downplaying these other factors. But it's interesting to see him admit the GOP's position on Medicare played any role at all, and to watch him gently push Corwin under the bus. Having acknowledged that there's at least some truth to the conventional wisdom, though, Boehner went on to defend the GOP's position and attack Democrats for not putting out a comprehensive Medicare plan of their own that's projected to reduce the federal commitment to Medicare spending and stave off national bankruptcy.


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Re: Democrats: We値l Use NY-26 Medicare Formula Around The Country
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2011, 12:06:11 PM »
No problem. They can use the NY-26 Medicare formula.

As long as they take credit for destroying what is left of the economy for not addressing the Medicare issue.  Deal???