Author Topic: Lance Armstrong- Feel bad for him? (Read 4925 times)

njanvi · « **on:** May 26, 2011, 06:59:26 AM »

First, I must say, obviously this is a bodybuilding site and we all here have a certain view of "supplements". To each its own when it comes to using, our bodies, our choice. Personally, I think athletes should be able to use whatever they want. I have no issues with people using. Lance Armstrong however if the allegations are true, technically defrauded the govt (postal service team-remember) and arguably (for a good cause ironically) has defrauded millions of others with a feel good story all based on a lie, not to mentioned blantantly brided foreign officials which is against the law. Lance in my mind is a crook and I have no issues with the govt throwing the book at him.
Do you guys feel differently?

btw, I know people will highlight the cost of the investigation, can't say that I can really defend that, other to say, the law is the law and it cost money to enforce it.

supernick · « **Reply #1 on:** May 26, 2011, 07:16:20 AM »

drugs or no drugs,,, he won 7 tour de france's. Its not like the other bikers were not using.

delta9mda · « **Reply #2 on:** May 26, 2011, 07:25:44 AM »

Quote from: supernick on May 26, 2011, 07:16:20 AM

drugs or no drugs,,, he won 7 tour de france's. Its not like the other bikers were not using.

exactly. im not saying lance didnt use but he was the most tested rider and never came up positive.

Sofa King · « **Reply #3 on:** May 26, 2011, 07:28:25 AM »

Bodybuilding is the only sport/activity where steroid use is more or less an accepted part of it, still illegal but everyone knows that bodybuilders all use just by looking at them and the powers that be don't care.

Other sports need to come out of the closet already and admit it.... say "hey if you don't like it go and start a natural league in the boondocks but if you want to continue to see real competition we're the only game in town."

It's 2011 already... the world isn't flat... wrestling isn't real and athletes use steroids, time to get over it.

Tito24 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 26, 2011, 07:30:24 AM »

if i had taken that stuff i could have done 7 tour de frances as wel

Dr Dutch · « **Reply #5 on:** May 26, 2011, 07:31:50 AM »

Quote from: Tito24 on May 26, 2011, 07:30:24 AM

if i had taken that stuff i could have done 7 tour de frances as wel

He could have done it naturally. It would only take longer.
And those drugs are just the finishing 2% after all....

Disgusted · « **Reply #6 on:** May 26, 2011, 08:39:22 AM »

Quote from: njanvi on May 26, 2011, 06:59:26 AM

First, I must say, obviously this is a bodybuilding site and we all here have a certain view of "supplements". To each its own when it comes to using, our bodies, our choice. Personally, I think athletes should be able to use whatever they want. I have no issues with people using. Lance Armstrong however if the allegations are true, technically defrauded the govt (postal service team-remember) and arguably (for a good cause ironically) has defrauded millions of others with a feel good story all based on a lie, not to mentioned blantantly brided foreign officials which is against the law. Lance in my mind is a crook and I have no issues with the govt throwing the book at him.
Do you guys feel differently?

btw, I know people will highlight the cost of the investigation, can't say that I can really defend that, other to say, the law is the law and it cost money to enforce it.

So why do you think Lance is a crook?

jaejonna · « **Reply #7 on:** May 26, 2011, 08:44:22 AM »

I dont care if he did or didnt, or really anything related to cycling but dont tell us your drug free and then have like 15 guys say you did it in front of him or hell even hooked others up with.

Big Worm · « **Reply #8 on:** May 26, 2011, 08:53:48 AM »

Quote from: njanvi on May 26, 2011, 06:59:26 AM

First, I must say, obviously this is a bodybuilding site and we all here have a certain view of "supplements". To each its own when it comes to using, our bodies, our choice. Personally, I think athletes should be able to use whatever they want. I have no issues with people using. Lance Armstrong however if the allegations are true, technically defrauded the govt (postal service team-remember) and arguably (for a good cause ironically) has defrauded millions of others with a feel good story all based on a lie, not to mentioned blantantly brided foreign officials which is against the law. Lance in my mind is a crook and I have no issues with the govt throwing the book at him.
Do you guys feel differently?

btw, I know people will highlight the cost of the investigation, can't say that I can really defend that, other to say, the law is the law and it cost money to enforce it.

He did(on steroids)what the others could not do(on steroids).. So what's the big deal? They all were on,so...... it was fair,no?

oldtimer1 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 26, 2011, 08:57:43 AM »

So everyone in the Tour de France was using performance drugs? You guys are nuts. I'll tell you what's true in bodybuilding. Everyone in the Olympia is using drugs. If one guy wasn't using in the Tour de France he should be declared the champion.

Big Worm · « **Reply #10 on:** May 26, 2011, 09:00:28 AM »

Quote from: oldtimer1 on May 26, 2011, 08:57:43 AM

So everyone in the Tour de France was using performance drugs? You guys are nuts. I'll tell you what's true in bodybuilding. Everyone in the Olympia is using drugs. If one guy wasn't using in the Tour de France he should be declared the champion.

You think they're not? You're the crazy one..

Agnostic007 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 26, 2011, 09:04:52 AM »

He was the most tested athlete in the sport according to reports. It's now a he said she said situation and barring any impirical evidence to say otherwise, he wins. He has the test results on his side, they have their words on their side. It's a non issue at this point.

ManBearPig... · « **Reply #12 on:** May 26, 2011, 09:08:22 AM »

Quote from: Disgusted on May 26, 2011, 08:39:22 AM

So why do you think Lance is a crook?

yeah i know. just because of his last name, people automatically assume he's ~~black~~ a crook.

Hulkotron · « **Reply #13 on:** May 26, 2011, 09:11:09 AM »

Basically the French are assholes.

BayGBM · « **Reply #14 on:** May 26, 2011, 09:19:46 AM »

I am all for PED but you do not enter a contest that is ostensibly drug free while using and then pretend to be a winner. It's like a steroid user entering a natural BB contest... Not cool.

I do not care how many tests he "passed" I believe his teammates who said they were all using.

sync pulse · « **Reply #15 on:** May 26, 2011, 09:19:56 AM »

So he used performance enhancing drugs,...if it was under a doctor's supervision,...so what?

BayGBM · « **Reply #16 on:** May 26, 2011, 09:21:06 AM »

Quote from: Sofa King on May 26, 2011, 07:28:25 AM

Bodybuilding is the only sport/activity where steroid use is more or less an accepted part of it, still illegal but everyone knows that bodybuilders all use just by looking at them and the powers that be don't care.

Other sports need to come out of the closet already and admit it.... say "hey if you don't like it go and start a natural league in the boondocks but if you want to continue to see real competition we're the only game in town."

It's 2011 already... the world isn't flat... wrestling isn't real and athletes use steroids, time to get over it.

Cannot argue with that. The genie is out of the bottle.

Disgusted · « **Reply #17 on:** May 26, 2011, 09:23:06 AM »

Quote from: BayGBM on May 26, 2011, 09:19:46 AM

I am all for PED but you do not enter a contest that is ostensibly drug free while using and then pretend to be a winner. It's like a steroid user entering a natural BB contest... Not cool.

I do not care how many tests he "passed" I believe his teammates who said they were all using.

So I guess it must be true since "they said"

Guess no need for a trial.

chaos · « **Reply #18 on:** May 26, 2011, 09:25:16 AM »

Lol @ how its always AFTER the fact a teammate jumps up with the info....someone tell that twat that its too late to be a hero and he just comes off as a bitter forgotten teammate.

Nails · « **Reply #19 on:** May 26, 2011, 09:26:05 AM »

who cares, its just a dude on a bicycle who peddles in gay ass france

Noel Fuller · « **Reply #20 on:** May 26, 2011, 09:27:05 AM »

Worth millions , know worldwide, dates hotties, ya I feel terrible for him.

BayGBM · « **Reply #21 on:** May 26, 2011, 09:38:01 AM »

Quote from: Nails on May 26, 2011, 09:26:05 AM

who cares, its just a dude on a bicycle who peddles in gay ass france

x2

BayGBM · « **Reply #22 on:** May 26, 2011, 09:39:40 AM »

Quote from: Disgusted on May 26, 2011, 09:23:06 AM

So I guess it must be true since "they said" Guess no need for a trial.

You sit around and wait for "a trial" . . . the rest of us have moved on.

CalvinH · « **Reply #23 on:** May 26, 2011, 09:40:40 AM »

Quote from: chaos on May 26, 2011, 09:25:16 AM

Lol @ how its always AFTER the fact a teammate jumps up with the info....someone tell that twat that its too late to be a hero and he just comes off as a bitter forgotten teammate.

"Nothing better then having some friends over and serving some wine and cheese and watching the Tour de France"

viking1 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 26, 2011, 09:50:36 AM »

Professional Cycling is a very dirty sport. Another multi-million dollar business with BIG money and BIG egos. These teams have the funds to hire the best 'drug doctors' in the world. One(or more) step ahead of the testing protocols year round. There Doc's have it down to, literally, a two hour window of taking gear that won't be detected during a same day test. It's incredible how dialed in they have it. They're creating gear that the UCI doesn't even have a test for yet.

And Lance, is the basically the leader of the cycling mafia. He has a lot of power and connections to do what he wants.