America - Fuck yea!!

[freespirit]

freespirit, what 3rd world shithole are you from?

All the way from amsterdam I've hit your nerve? Oh brother.   

[dj181]

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[freespirit]

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Still a lot of white serial killers in america.

[The Showstoppa]

All the way from amsterdam I've hit your nerve? Oh brother.   

Not at all.  Just curious why the constant berating of the US. 

[lovemonkey]

Not at all.  Just curious why the constant berating of the US. 

I've been thinking about that as well. My theory is that usually most Europeans are not huge patriots in the sense that they feel the need to boast about it all the time. It's rare to see any Scandinavians, Dutch or British people go "Europe, fuck yeah!"... it's not as taboo over here to not be a 'patriot'.

So I think what grinds the European gears is that the Americans like to boast about themselves in such a loud(to the point of obnoxious) manner... at least that's the impression they get. Other than that I really can't see many reasons for bashing USA like that given that Europe is fucked up in at least as many ways as America is.

[freespirit]

Not at all.  Just curious why the constant berating of the US. 

Why not?   

[freespirit]

 

[Ropo]

I've been thinking about that as well. My theory is that usually most Europeans are not huge patriots in the sense that they feel the need to boast about it all the time. It's rare to see any Scandinavians, Dutch or British people go "Europe, fuck yeah!"... it's not as taboo over here to not be a 'patriot'.

So I think what grinds the European gears is that the Americans like to boast about themselves in such a loud(to the point of obnoxious) manner... at least that's the impression they get. Other than that I really can't see many reasons for bashing USA like that given that Europe is fucked up in at least as many ways as America is.

There is a different between a patriot, and American so called patriot. Here in Finland we fight for our country when ever it is needed, but because we are smart people and mind our own business, it happen last time in WW2. We love our country but we also understand that it is useless to fight all the time in some foreign countries around the world, like you Americans do. Our patriotism means that we will fight if it is necessary to maintain the peace in our country, and that's it. American patriotism means that you will fight when ever they told you, and where ever they want you to fight, and they get you in the mood just by saying "It is for your country".  You have been fighting around the globe just about from WW2, so when it will end?  When you can't make any more money out of it, which means that you will fight up to end of the world. That is essence of your patriotism.

[lovemonkey]

There is a different between a patriot, and American so called patriot. Here in Finland we fight for our country when ever it is needed, but because we are smart people and mind our own business, it happen last time in WW2. We love our country but we also understand that it is useless to fight all the time in some foreign countries around the world, like you Americans do. Our patriotism means that we will fight if it is necessary to maintain the peace in our country, and that's it. American patriotism means that you will fight when ever they told you, and where ever they want you to fight, and they get you in the mood just by saying "It is for your country".  You have been fighting around the globe just about from WW2, so when it will end?  When you can't make any more money out of it, which means that you will fight up to end of the world. That is essence of your patriotism.

'My' patriotism? I'm not american.

You just summarized the stereotypical European view of America quite neatly which makes me wonder if you've ever spent any considerable amount of time around Americans.. Some things are not what they seem at first.

[freespirit]

'My' patriotism? I'm not american.

You just summarized the stereotypical European view of America quite neatly which makes me wonder if you've ever spent any considerable amount of time around Americans.. Some things are not what they seem at first.

What about the stereotypical view of Americans towards the rest of the world?   

[lovemonkey]

What about the stereotypical view of Americans towards the rest of the world?   

What about it?

[jesusbod]

By the looks of the beer they are drinking and the light complected skin I would have to say these are Europeans doing what they do best, absolutely nothing... That's why our Stimulus money has been going to European banks for the last two years, because they cannot function without US funds..

[jesusbod]

There is a different between a patriot, and American so called patriot. Here in Finland we fight for our country when ever it is needed, but because we are smart people and mind our own business, it happen last time in WW2. We love our country but we also understand that it is useless to fight all the time in some foreign countries around the world, like you Americans do. Our patriotism means that we will fight if it is necessary to maintain the peace in our country, and that's it. American patriotism means that you will fight when ever they told you, and where ever they want you to fight, and they get you in the mood just by saying "It is for your country".  You have been fighting around the globe just about from WW2, so when it will end?  When you can't make any more money out of it, which means that you will fight up to end of the world. That is essence of your patriotism.

Wrong... We have gotten involved in these wars due to the country we are helping couldn't help themselves. Americans in general don't turn a blind eye to atrocities happening around the world. From what you wrote apparently your country does turn a blind eye.. I really didn't think we should have gotten involved in Iraq, but I do however feel it was right to go into Afghanistan. Is Afghanistan a better country today than a few years ago? Perhaps but it would be far better if we had kept the eye on the ball instead of going to Iraq before we were finish is Afghanistan. Oh, another thing, We wouldn't have majority of these problems world if Islamic Extremist wouldn't be running rampant.  By the way Finland also gets by on financial assistance from the United States.. Your Welcome...

[mass243]

Wrong... We have gotten involved in these wars due to the country we are helping couldn't help themselves. Americans in general don't turn a blind eye to atrocities happening around the world. From what you wrote apparently your country does turn a blind eye.. I really didn't think we should have gotten involved in Iraq, but I do however feel it was right to go into Afghanistan. Is Afghanistan a better country today than a few years ago? Perhaps but it would be far better if we had kept the eye on the ball instead of going to Iraq before we were finish is Afghanistan. Oh, another thing, We wouldn't have majority of these problems world if Islamic Extremist wouldn't be running rampant.  By the way Finland also gets by on financial assistance from the United States.. Your Welcome...

LOL

Hey dude! WTF you are talkin' about? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH OMG, can't believe this shit LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[jesusbod]

LOL

Hey dude! WTF you are talkin' about? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH OMG, can't believe this shit LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Can't believe it or won't believe it?

[freespirit]

Can't believe it or won't believe it?

He LOL'd because it's not true. 

[Firemuscle]

Wrong... We have gotten involved in these wars due to the country we are helping couldn't help themselves. Americans in general don't turn a blind eye to atrocities happening around the world. From what you wrote apparently your country does turn a blind eye.. I really didn't think we should have gotten involved in Iraq, but I do however feel it was right to go into Afghanistan. Is Afghanistan a better country today than a few years ago? Perhaps but it would be far better if we had kept the eye on the ball instead of going to Iraq before we were finish is Afghanistan. Oh, another thing, We wouldn't have majority of these problems world if Islamic Extremist wouldn't be running rampant.  By the way Finland also gets by on financial assistance from the United States.. Your Welcome...

 You are a fucking idiot if you really think that the U.S. intended to improve Iraq of Afghanistan.

 We went into these two countries to destroy and rebuild to make $$$. To get resources. To make illegal narcotics money. And various other reasons that all involve fucking them for money.

 Nobody gives a shit about atrocities that happened to a bunch of dirty Muslems. You're a fucking fool.

[oldtimer1]

So much jealousy from other countries about the USA.  Are Americans fleeing the US trying to live in your country? The whole world tries to get into America.

Here's something weight lifting related.  The only reason we don't dominate Olympic lifting is due to one thing.  The NFL.  

Whenever there is a tragedy in the world who is the most generous country?  What other country gives billions in aid to so many countries every year. Is it the Chinese? In what country do normal working people live in 3000 square foot houses? I could go on.

If you don't like our country don't watch our tv or movies.  Stay off US web sites too. Feel free to stay where you are.  

[tonymctones]

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The US govt gives more than twice the amount of any other country in foreign aid

[lovemonkey]

So much jealousy from other countries about the USA.  Are Americans fleeing the US trying to live in your country? The whole world tries to get into America.

Here's something weight lifting related.  The only reason we don't dominate Olympic lifting is due to one thing.  The NFL.  

Whenever there is a tragedy in the world who is the most generous country?  What other country gives billions in aid to so many countries every year. Is it the Chinese? In what country do normal working people live in 3000 square foot houses? I could go on.

If you don't like our country don't watch our tv or movies.  Stay off US web sites too. Feel free to stay where you are.  

So it's either black or white? You can't like America and still criticize it? I swear some of you people are still children, mentally.

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The US govt gives more than twice the amount of any other country in foreign aid

That's really good, but also keep in mind that the US is a small continent in itself and has a population of over 300 million people.. of course you've got a lot of money in circulation. An interesting comparison would be the total sum of donations of EU vs. America. That could prove or disprove your point I guess.

[lovemonkey]

From wikipedia:

According to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, the countries giving the highest amounts of money (in absolute terms) are as follows:

     United States - $28.67 billion
     France - $12.43 billion
     Germany - $11.98 billion
     United Kingdom - $11.50 billion
     Japan - $9.48 billion
     Spain - $6.57 billion
     Netherlands - $6.43 billion
     Sweden - $4.55 billion
     Norway - $4.09 billion
     Canada - $4.01 billion
     Italy - $3.31 billion
     Denmark - $2.81 billion
     Australia - $2.76 billion
     Belgium - $2.60 billion
     Switzerland - $2.31 billion
     Finland - $1.29 billion
     Austria - $1.15 billion
     Ireland - $1.00 billion
     South Korea - $0.82 billion
     Greece - $0.61 billion
     Portugal - $0.51 billion
     Luxembourg - $0.40 billion
     New Zealand - $0.31 billion


To provide an alternative perspective, the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development also lists countries by the amount of money they give as a percentage of their gross national income. The list only includes international giving through official channels that qualify as Official Development Assistance, not all charitable giving. This list is as follows:[1]

     Sweden - 1.12%
     Norway - 1.06%
     Luxembourg - 1.01%
     Denmark - 0.88%
     Netherlands - 0.82%
     Belgium - 0.55%
     Finland - 0.54%
     Ireland - 0.54%
     United Kingdom - 0.52%
     Switzerland - 0.47%
     France- 0.46%
     Spain - 0.46%
     Germany - 0.35%
     Canada - 0.30%
     Austria - 0.30%
     Australia - 0.29%
     New Zealand - 0.29%
     Portugal - 0.23%
     United States - 0.20%
     Greece - 0.19%
     Japan - 0.18%
     Italy - 0.16%
     South Korea - 0.10%


Draw your own conclusions.

[tonymctones]

So it's either black or white? You can't like America and still criticize it? I swear some of you people are still children, mentally.

That's really good, but also keep in mind that the US is a small continent in itself and has a population of over 300 million people.. of course you've got a lot of money in circulation. An interesting comparison would be the total sum of donations of EU vs. America. That could prove or disprove your point I guess.

Agreed, still doesnt change the fact that we give more than double the amount than any other country in foreign aid...

[lovemonkey]

Agreed, still doesnt change the fact that we give more than double the amount than any other country in foreign aid...

Name any other far progressed western nation that is remotely close to having 300 million citizens. This is why I also included this:

To provide an alternative perspective, the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development also lists countries by the amount of money they give as a percentage of their gross national income. The list only includes international giving through official channels that qualify as Official Development Assistance, not all charitable giving. This list is as follows:[1]

     Sweden - 1.12%
     Norway - 1.06%
     Luxembourg - 1.01%
     Denmark - 0.88%
     Netherlands - 0.82%
     Belgium - 0.55%
     Finland - 0.54%
     Ireland - 0.54%
     United Kingdom - 0.52%
     Switzerland - 0.47%
     France- 0.46%
     Spain - 0.46%
     Germany - 0.35%
     Canada - 0.30%
     Austria - 0.30%
     Australia - 0.29%
     New Zealand - 0.29%
     Portugal - 0.23%
     United States - 0.20%
     Greece - 0.19%
     Japan - 0.18%
     Italy - 0.16%
     South Korea - 0.10%

[freespirit]

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[mass243]

He LOL'd because it's not true. 

Exactly.

The whole idea of USA providing some financial help to Finland was so absurd I melted a little 

LOL, never heard anyone claim anything that stupid. Obviously dude doesn't know Finland at all 

Maybe he could elaborate on this a little... ?...