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Re: 333333 question?
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2012, 05:41:06 AM »
its not but thats not our fault....every one has a right to choose their leaders....even the Germans put Hitler in office

STFU moron. 

Obama and the worthless apologists who cried in joy like you did when obama collapsed the ME own this mess. 

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« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2012, 05:42:29 AM »
STFU moron. 

Obama and the worthless apologists who cried in joy like you did when obama collapsed the ME own this mess. 

the stupidity just keeps on flowing from that brain(?) of yours

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« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2012, 06:02:13 AM »
its not but thats not our fault....every one has a right to choose their leaders....even the Germans put Hitler in office

That's a great analogy...Obama helped guys like Hitler take over Egypt.  Say goodbye to the 1978 treaties with Israel...say goodbye to women's right in Egypt...say  goodbye to any semblance of stabiltity in the Middle East

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« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2012, 06:03:37 AM »
its not but thats not our fault....every one has a right to choose their leaders....even the Germans put Hitler in office

True the election might be somewhat democratic but a government and court system based on muslim law is not = democracy

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« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2012, 06:14:15 AM »
That's a great analogy...Obama helped guys like Hitler take over Egypt.  Say goodbye to the 1978 treaties with Israel...say goodbye to women's right in Egypt...say  goodbye to any semblance of stabiltity in the Middle East

stability???....there never can be stability when people are suppressed by dictators...things always appear calm on the surface of these regimes because the dictator runs the newspapers, tv stations etc...

Mubarak and Ghaddafi got what was eventually coming to them by not reforming..they caused this to happen....you guys are so anti-obama you want to blame him for everything...you probably blamed him the last time you couldn't get an erection

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« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2012, 06:16:24 AM »
stability???....there never can be stability when people are suppressed by dictators...things always appear calm on the surface of these regimes because the dictator runs the newspapers, tv stations etc...

Mubarak and Ghaddafi got what was eventually coming to them by not reforming..they caused this to happen....you guys are so anti-obama you want to blame him for everything...you probably blamed him the last time you couldn't get an erection

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You really are pathetic.  If obama ordered you back into slavery you would do so gleefully. 

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« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2012, 06:17:07 AM »
stability???....there never can be stability when people are suppressed by dictators...things always appear calm on the surface of these regimes because the dictator runs the newspapers, tv stations etc...

Mubarak and Ghaddafi got what was eventually coming to them by not reforming..they caused this to happen....you guys are so anti-obama you want to blame him for everything...you probably blamed him the last time you couldn't get an erection


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« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2012, 06:20:02 AM »
andreheisman...you really don't understand this issue at all.   The issue isn't the dictator or their removal..the issue is the plan of action after they're gone.   The US took out Hussein in 2003 because the commitment was there to see a stabile governemnt take his place.   He wasn't taken out in 1991 because George H Bush didn't know who would be leading the country in his place.  You don't overthrow a government that is sympathetic to you (Mubarek) or under your thumb (Ghadaffi) if you don't know who or what is going to replace them.  All you're doing is creating a vacuum where virtually anything can happen...

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« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2012, 06:31:52 AM »
andreheisman...you really don't understand this issue at all.   The issue isn't the dictator or their removal..the issue is the plan of action after they're gone.   The US took out Hussein in 2003 because the commitment was there to see a stabile governemnt take his place.   He wasn't taken out in 1991 because George H Bush didn't know who would be leading the country in his place.  You don't overthrow a government that is sympathetic to you (Mubarek) or under your thumb (Ghadaffi) if you don't know who or what is going to replace them.  All you're doing is creating a vacuum where virtually anything can happen...

we didn't "overthrow" anything.....if you want to blame anyone, blame Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook..... :)....we only intervened in Libya because they had already begun the fighting to overthrow Ghadafi....at first, as you so conveniently forget, Obama DID NOT WANT TO GET INVOLVED...he had to be persuaded by Hillary Clinton and the NATO allies.....only after it looked like Ghadafi was going to slaughter the population (as he vowed to do) did Obama get involved...

WOW..EPIC CHANGING OF HISTORY ON YOUR PART

Also we conveniently forget again that Bush took out Saddam in 2003....yet look at the government that has replaced Saddam......they are not a model of democracy either..better than Saddam..but not a model by any means...and they are becoming allied with Iran..things don't always work out the way you think..he U.S. is not perfect and cannot control events like you think we can.....

If big countries truly had that power the Soviet Union woulds still be in existence

PLEASE GO READ UP ON HISTORY...I am destroying you in this thread

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« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2012, 06:38:04 AM »
You are destroying nothing but your father's good name by publicly displaying your lack of comprehension...

We actively assisted the overthrow of Mubarak...we bombed Ghadaffi's troops when the rebellion was all but dead and gave it new life.  We had little or no idea who or what would take the place of either government.  we jsut went in their willy-nilly and changed the politics.  This is criminally irresponsible...

So far as Iraq goes... stablized the day to day lifes of millions of men, women and childre who no longer have to wonder if today is the day they're going to be fed into a wood chipper because they didn't bow to the local Baathist quickly enough.  That's a win.

Iran is a problem...a problem largely created by Jimmy Carter...but a problem that will have to be dealt with sooner or later

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« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2012, 06:39:35 AM »
Watch and learn cult member

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we didn't "overthrow" anything.....if you want to blame anyone, blame Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook..... :)....we only intervened in Libya because they had already begun the fighting to overthrow Ghadafi....at first, as you so conveniently forget, Obama DID NOT WANT TO GET INVOLVED...he had to be persuaded by Hillary Clinton and the NATO allies.....only after it looked like Ghadafi was going to slaughter the population (as he vowed to do) did Obama get involved...

WOW..EPIC CHANGING OF HISTORY ON YOUR PART

Also we conveniently forget again that Bush took out Saddam in 2003....yet look at the government that has replaced Saddam......they are not a model of democracy either..better than Saddam..but not a model by any means...and they are becoming allied with Iran..things don't always work out the way you think..he U.S. is not perfect and cannot control events like you think we can.....

If big countries truly had that power the Soviet Union woulds still be in existence

PLEASE GO READ UP ON HISTORY...I am destroying you in this thread

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« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2012, 06:47:46 AM »
You are destroying nothing but your father's good name by publicly displaying your lack of comprehension...

We actively assisted the overthrow of Mubarak...we bombed Ghadaffi's troops when the rebellion was all but dead and gave it new life.  We had little or no idea who or what would take the place of either government.  we jsut went in their willy-nilly and changed the politics.  This is criminally irresponsible...

So far as Iraq goes... stablized the day to day lifes of millions of men, women and childre who no longer have to wonder if today is the day they're going to be fed into a wood chipper because they didn't bow to the local Baathist quickly enough.  That's a win.

Iran is a problem...a problem largely created by Jimmy Carter...but a problem that will have to be dealt with sooner or later

We helped ease Mubarak out of power after we saw he could no longer control his own people anymore....but credit goes to the PEOPLE who overthrew him.....Obama did not wake up one morning and say "you know..I think I'll overthrow Mubarak today"....same with Libya....and the NATO allies (France, Britain, Italy) were bombing Libya way before we got involved.....how come you don't blame them for anything and put everything on Obama???....as for Obama bombing Libya when the rebels were almost beaten..we are both saying the same thing on this...I said that Obama intervened when Ghadafi said he was going to destroy everyone who participated..thats when we got involved to save the country from a massacre.....

As for the Iran problem being created by Jimmy Carter....how old are you???????....the Shah of Iran created this problem again by staying in power for thirty years and not reforming....

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« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2012, 04:41:42 PM »
We helped remove an ally from power when we had no idea what we were getting in terms of a replacement.  You canot deny that...spin it any fucking way you'd like, but that's reality.

And yes...or problems in Iran began with Carter.  He bought into this bullshit that the Shah was repressing students...students my ass...they were fundamentalists who sought to overthorw his government.  Rather than supporting him and encouraging reforms to make an easy transistion to a non theocratic government, we pulled the rug out from under him and gave power to the mullahs.  Then we compounded that idiocy by allowing him to settle here, thus pissing off the people we jsut helped to the point that they began to refer to us as the "great satan".  So now we find ourslves with one of these "students" mere steps away from getting nuclear weapons.

yeah...Carter fucked up in 1979 and Obama is fuckingup in 2012...

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« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2012, 08:52:17 PM »
We helped remove an ally from power when we had no idea what we were getting in terms of a replacement.  You canot deny that...spin it any fucking way you'd like, but that's reality.

And yes...or problems in Iran began with Carter.  He bought into this bullshit that the Shah was repressing students...students my ass...they were fundamentalists who sought to overthorw his government.  Rather than supporting him and encouraging reforms to make an easy transistion to a non theocratic government, we pulled the rug out from under him and gave power to the mullahs.  Then we compounded that idiocy by allowing him to settle here, thus pissing off the people we jsut helped to the point that they began to refer to us as the "great satan".  So now we find ourslves with one of these "students" mere steps away from getting nuclear weapons.

yeah...Carter fucked up in 1979 and Obama is fuckingup in 2012...

sigh...your memory is so faulty it's amazing....you say the Shah wasn't repressing his people?..you don't stay in power thirty years without fucking people over...the Shah had a secret police and tortured people you simpleton.....as did his father....and you say Jimmy Carter started the revolution that brought him down???this is a really embarrassing statement to make.....Once a dictator loses control of his people he is done for....look at whats happening now in Syria.....how come the Russians and chinese can't stop the bloodshed there?...because big powers have very little influence once the people lose respect for their rulers...and we didn't allow the Shah to settle here as you said....he needed emergency medical treatment and Carter decided to let him in the country as a humanitarian gesture.....that's what started hostage crisis....

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« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2012, 06:03:46 AM »
Are you really this obtuse, or am I catching you on the wrong day(s)...at no point did I claim Carter started an Islamic revolution...I don't have much time today, but for the love of God, try to muster those four brain cells you have and get them tasked towards reading comprehension...

In the  mid to late 1970's the Shah came under fire for human rights abuses against "student protestors".  These protestors were Islamic fundamentalists bent on toppling his government...they should have been persecuted..  As the Iranian people became disaffected with the Shah, we did nothing to support him because Carter had bought into the notion that he was needlessly abusing these poor students.  We completely pulled the rug out from under a very strong ally in a very unstable region and did nothing to manage the aftermath.  As a result, a virulently anti-American regime took over that used our harboring the Shah as a pretext to commit an act of war against us by taking over our embassy and holding our citizens hostage.  Today, that regime exports terror, has killed American personnel in Iraq and is closing in on nuclear weapons. Carter mismanaged Iran...he allowed world opinin to supercede our interests in the overthrow of an ally and did nothing to protect our interests.

If you can't see a parallel between those events and Obama's mishandling of Egypt and Lybia...you are even dumber than I think

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« Reply #40 on: September 14, 2012, 06:05:15 AM »

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« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2012, 06:45:48 AM »
We helped remove an ally from power when we had no idea what we were getting in terms of a replacement.  You canot deny that...spin it any fucking way you'd like, but that's reality.

And yes...or problems in Iran began with Carter.  He bought into this bullshit that the Shah was repressing students...students my ass...they were fundamentalists who sought to overthorw his government.  Rather than supporting him and encouraging reforms to make an easy transistion to a non theocratic government, we pulled the rug out from under him and gave power to the mullahs.  Then we compounded that idiocy by allowing him to settle here, thus pissing off the people we jsut helped to the point that they began to refer to us as the "great satan".  So now we find ourslves with one of these "students" mere steps away from getting nuclear weapons.

yeah...Carter fucked up in 1979 and Obama is fuckingup in 2012...



I like this flipper guy.....u people need to read your history, explain to how exactly this doesn't mirror 1979? Arabs respect strength, much like our muslim brothers here in Afghanistan. When we leave those in the middle will either back the Taliban or whatever looks like the former Northern Alliance.  Obama has no Bush playbook for this to go off of. They have hamstrung the CIA, JSOC is a damm household word...and Barry skips his intell briefings to bang his moose wife or golf.
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« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2012, 06:47:21 AM »


I like this flipper guy.....u people need to read your history, explain to how exactly this doesn't mirror 1979? Arabs respect strength, much like our muslim brothers here in Afghanistan. When we leave those in the middle will either back the Taliban or whatever looks like the former Northern Alliance.  Obama has no Bush playbook for this to go off of. They have hamstrung the CIA, JSOC is a damm household word...and Barry skips his intell briefings to bang his moose wife or golf.

According to the piece of trash like blacken andre lurtker, et al obama is NEVER to blame for anything. 

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« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2012, 06:48:35 AM »
Sunshine, unicorns and fountains of chocolate milk.
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« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2012, 06:54:39 AM »
Sunshine, unicorns and fountains of chocolate milk.

Obama and his cult of sheep and trash are going to be the end of us 

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« Reply #45 on: September 14, 2012, 09:59:32 AM »
Are you really this obtuse, or am I catching you on the wrong day(s)...at no point did I claim Carter started an Islamic revolution...I don't have much time today, but for the love of God, try to muster those four brain cells you have and get them tasked towards reading comprehension...

In the  mid to late 1970's the Shah came under fire for human rights abuses against "student protestors".  These protestors were Islamic fundamentalists bent on toppling his government...they should have been persecuted..  As the Iranian people became disaffected with the Shah, we did nothing to support him because Carter had bought into the notion that he was needlessly abusing these poor students.  We completely pulled the rug out from under a very strong ally in a very unstable region and did nothing to manage the aftermath.  As a result, a virulently anti-American regime took over that used our harboring the Shah as a pretext to commit an act of war against us by taking over our embassy and holding our citizens hostage.  Today, that regime exports terror, has killed American personnel in Iraq and is closing in on nuclear weapons. Carter mismanaged Iran...he allowed world opinin to supercede our interests in the overthrow of an ally and did nothing to protect our interests.

If you can't see a parallel between those events and Obama's mishandling of Egypt and Lybia...you are even dumber than I think

I wish I knew where you were so I could come over and rape you in your ass for being so naive......by your calculations, the people over there are never to blame for anything....it is always the fault of the American President.....you act as if nothing in the world can happen unless the American president says it can.....by your reasoning. how come the Russians could not hold on to Eastern Europe???...Ronald Reagan was a good president but even he was taken by surprise when the Iron Curtain fell......not everything happens because the POTUS makes a wish...

Dictators lose control simply because they stay too long.....the only guy who avoided this fate was Fidel Castro...who the people still love to some extent...Once a dictator who is a US ally loses control of their people, they become useless......same thing happened to Fernando Marcos of the Phillipines....the US kissed him goodbye once the people there got sick of him and there was no turning back....

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« Reply #46 on: September 14, 2012, 10:03:58 AM »
I didnt know you were on the down lo like Vince and blacken. 

Now i see why you love those clowns. 

I wish I knew where you were so I could come over and rape you in your ass for being so naive......by your calculations, the people over there are never to blame for anything....it is always the fault of the American President.....you act as if nothing in the world can happen unless the American president says it can.....by your reasoning. how come the Russians could not hold on to Eastern Europe???...Ronald Reagan was a good president but even he was taken by surprise when the Iron Curtain fell......not everything happens because the POTUS makes a wish...

Dictators lose control simply because they stay too long.....the only guy who avoided this fate was Fidel Castro...who the people still love to some extent...Once a dictator who is a US ally loses control of their people, they become useless......same thing happened to Fernando Marcos of the Phillipines....the US kissed him goodbye once the people there got sick of him and there was no turning back....

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« Reply #47 on: September 14, 2012, 10:05:20 AM »
I didnt know you were on the down lo like Vince and blacken. 

Now i see why you love those clowns. 


you WOULD LOVE for a brother to be on top of you as well....thats why your angry

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« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2012, 10:08:18 AM »
you WOULD LOVE for a brother to be on top of you as well....thats why your angry

I'm angry because we have a kenyan communist layabout destroying our country. 

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« Reply #49 on: September 14, 2012, 10:15:21 AM »
God what a homo...rape me in the ass?   Yep...I'd say your complete meltdown here is proof positive of my superiority on this topic.   So...go enjoy your homo fanatasies and let the adults discuss the serious topics