Gorilla Protein: Reason Why Gorillas Are So Huge Despite Eating Little Protein.

[EL Mariachi]

 Right, so a Human adult needs more protein than a growing baby who increases body mass by as much as 20% per week? For fuck sake, man, you are in the running with Johnny Falcon for the title of dumbest mofo on Getbig. Congrats!

  You = retarded  

SUCKMYMUSCLE

no you re the dumb fuck, you need more protein to maintain 80kg than a baby needs to grow a couple of pounds. think for a second

[bigbobs]

  Right...it is my opinion that Dorian has 6 Sandows compared to Nasser's 0, huh?

  As for the decline bench press, it mobilizes the most pectoral muscle mass, and thus is more effective than the incline one. The incline one might be harder because it involves less the pecs and more the front delts and triceps which are smaller muscles, hence the same weight might feel heavier on the incline than on the decline. But the issue is effectiveness for pec development, and the decline is more effective.

  Trust me, towel head: I have forgotten more kinesiology than you've ever known.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

lol I see you took back your old statement on decline being harder than incline bench, even though you tried to surround it with random jargon to make it appear that you were discussing effectiveness and not difficulty of the actual movement.  Oh well, at least it shows some progress on your part, sort of.

[suckmymuscle]

no you re the dumb fuck, you need more protein to maintain 80kg than a baby needs to grow a couple of pounds. think for a second

  Where have I claimed that a baby needs more protein in absolute terms than an adult? Show me...my point is that you don't need a lot of protein to build new muscle, since a baby builds up to two pounds of new tissue a week eating about 10 grams of protein a day. How do you explain that it can build so much new muscle, organ and connective tissue with so little protein? Riddle me that?

  Suppose that you need 0.3 grams to maintain nitrogen balance, like most of the scientific studies suggest, and that a 5 lbs baby gets 10 grams of protein from mother's milk a day. That means it is using 1.5 of the grams of protein to maintain it's current body mass, and it is building those 2 lbs of new tissue in a week from 8.5 grams of excess protein a day. So this means that a 180 lbs male needs 68.5 grams of protein a day to gain two pounds of lean muscle a week.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Ropo]

 Because the bodyybuilding media has lied about protein needs. Even growing babies, which are building not merely new muscle tissue but also organ tissue and connective tissue, all of which require protein, do that on mother's milk which is about only 1% of protein per weight! Sure, very high quality protein, but it still composes only about 1% to 4% of their total caloric intake. Most of the scientific papers I've read suggest that Humans need only 0.25 to 0.3 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight for nitrogen retention. And these studies were done with severe burn victims who need more protein than average people. The argument that bodybuilders need more because they are building muscle is ridiculous because the amount of muscle build on a daily basis is very small. It's not like you're gaining several pounds of new tissue per week like a baby, and babies do that with a diet of only 1-4% protein! This website is right on the money....

 http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gorillaprotein.com%2F&ei=GmzkTcSiOqb00gHkvvGKBw&usg=AFQjCNGWO7554OD-szQJ1u-mUSciOP9dSA

SUCKMYMUSCLE

So why don't you, rather than slobber about it, just try it in to practice? Just go to zero protein diet and let see how your muscles grow. Be the gorilla, eat weed and water for few month, and let see how much muscle mass you gain from it. Instead of reading all the crap what you can find without  understanding any of it, you should just keep it simple. Go to gym, eat you meals, grow. What you seem to lost in this matter, is that gorillas doesn't need to grow extra muscle mass to please his ego like humans need to do, it is what it is by genetics. If you get gorilla in to the gym, it doesn't grow any extra mass just by working out, if it doesn't eat more than usually. You silly whale doesn't understand that most of the people grow like gorillas, they eat what they get, go to school, go to work but doesn't work out, so they be what they are. Overweight geeks, scrawny pencil necks, all kind BUT muscular superman's. Of course there is also some muscular ordinary people by their genetics, but if you don't be lucky enough to be one of them, there isn't much to do. Be what you are or go to gym, learn how to eat to gain muscle mass and work out. What you fuckers need to understand is simplicity of bodybuilding. You need weights, you need food and time, and the knowledge how to take all out from your muscle, and that's it. Everything else is futile crap for selling you some idiotic principles and diets and shit what don't need, but which you must pay top dollars one way or another.

[GroinkTropin]

True.....I don't eat any more protein than the average person, it's all fucking bullshit.

It's always blew my mind how stupid people were that they couldn't connect the dots that the people telling you to eat a shitload of protein were the people SELLING the protein...LOLOL

For the most part you do only need moderate protein. Carbs and (healthy) fats are also very important.

A few things will make a difference- enhanced protein synthesis due to training or drug usage, enhanced nitrogen retention (again from steroids) and genetics.

Basically a natural doesn't really need more than 1 gram per lb of bodyweight. On enough juice 2 grams and up to 3 can be utilized...

[obtuse_waiter]

your boyfriends loads feed you enuf

good post tho


cows huge on grass as horses

[suckmymuscle]

Basically a natural doesn't really need more than 1 gram per lb of bodyweight.

  My whole point with this thread is that you only need 0.25 grams per pound of bodyweight to maintain a positive nitrogen balance, plus an extra few grams a day for growth.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Parker]

Grass and myostatin, it's the only way to grow

[James28]

  My whole point with this thread is that you only need 0.25 grams per pound of bodyweight to maintain a positive nitrogen balance, plus an extra few grams a day for growth.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I'm 240 pounds so you're saying I need only around 60-70 grams of protein a day to build and maintain?

[rccs]

Babies don't develop 1kg of lean mass per week... most of the weight they gain is fat and water...

[GroinkTropin]

  My whole point with this thread is that you only need 0.25 grams per pound of bodyweight to maintain a positive nitrogen balance, plus an extra few grams a day for growth.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I think that is low, and highly individual specific. Like, some might do ok with that amount while for others it is too low.

I will say this- I ate MEGA protein for YEARS and was always fat and bloated. I was also told PROTEIN CAN'T TURN INTO FAT!!!

BULLSHIT!!!

My body NEVER looked better than after I dropped the protein shakes and stuck with whole food. In the process I dropped protein consumption by 40% at least. And what happened? I lost bloat and leaned out while retaining muscle.

I do believe the protein sparing effects of carbohydrate are badly misunderstood and not talked about enough. Also protein spillover turns to fat at an ALARMING rate.

[Griffith]

I think that is low, and highly individual specific. Like, some might do ok with that amount while for others it is too low.

I will say this- I ate MEGA protein for YEARS and was always fat and bloated. I was also told PROTEIN CAN'T TURN INTO FAT!!!

BULLSHIT!!!

My body NEVER looked better than after I dropped the protein shakes and stuck with whole food. In the process I dropped protein consumption by 40% at least. And what happened? I lost bloat and leaned out while retaining muscle.
I do believe the protein sparing effects of carbohydrate are badly misunderstood and not talked about enough. Also protein spillover turns to fat at an ALARMING rate.

I can't agree with you more! I noticed the exact same thing.

I used to think I looked bloated, especially in my face, from the creatine I was using but it was the Whey Protein!

[GroinkTropin]

I can't agree with you more! I noticed the exact same thing.

I used to think I looked bloated, especially in my face, from the creatine I was using but it was the Whey Protein!

Yup whey easily converts to sugar in your blood. Big reason why shakes are a big no no on keto diets.

I haven't had a shake in a good 4-5 years, and never looked better.

Side note- I ran a Max Muscle for 4 years, and can honestly tell you these guys are only out to make a buck. I think we, the bodybuilding crowd, figured this out when pro after pro admitted he did not drink shakes hardly ever. Personally I think they SUCK and do not even build muscle.

[James28]

hmm. You guys gonna make me sling my last bit of whey straight in the bin.

[wes]

Regarding decline presses.......the only time it is an effective pec exercise is when it`s done to the neck/throat area..............otherw ise they suck,just an ego lift.

[DK II]

I never had any problem with whey.

I love the taste of protein shakes, especially when i'm on a diet. Some sweet stuff, with protein in it, very convenient.

No bloat, no stomach problems.

When i try to get all my protein from food, i feel stuffed and full all day, whey doesn't do that, it regulates the intenstines so i feel much better.



I really don't know why everyone is always bitching about whey, it's a great supplement.

[suckmymuscle]

Yup whey easily converts to sugar in your blood. Big reason why shakes are a big no no on keto diets.

I haven't had a shake in a good 4-5 years, and never looked better.

Side note- I ran a Max Muscle for 4 years, and can honestly tell you these guys are only out to make a buck. I think we, the bodybuilding crowd, figured this out when pro after pro admitted he did not drink shakes hardly ever. Personally I think they SUCK and do not even build muscle.

  It's not that easy...protein is carried to the liver where it is converted into glucose via a process called gluconeogenesis. This drains a lot of energy from the body. People who eat too much protein are always tired because the conversion process of protein into glucose requires a lot of bodily energy, and also because the nitrosamines from protein gets stored into skeletal muscles impairing clearage of lactic acid not to mention that the breakdown products of protein, like ammonia and uric acid, are protoplasmic poisons that must be cleared from the body. Many physiologists believe that a high protein diet might raise mortality even more than a diet high in saturated fats. Eating 500 grams of protein a day might actually kill you. Not due to kidney damage, as the kidneys take years or at least months to collapse, but due to poisoning. If enough ammonia builds up in your bloodstream to a higher rate than the body can flush it out, you can die. Most of Greg Kovac's health problems were caused not by anabolic steroids but by his ridiculous 1,000 grams of protein a day diet. He got so sick that he looked like a cancer victim.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

  One of the things the muscle magazines never mention is that protein is a very powerful supressor of testosterone. Men who eat high protein diets have the lowest plasma levels of testosterone. The reason for this is that it takes more calories to process protein and eliminate it's metabolites than there are calories in protein, so you end up with a caloric deficit if you eat too much protein. The best diet for testosterone is one rich in fats, followed by carbs and with the lowest amount of protein. The monoinsaturated fatty acid, oleic acid, seems particularly powerful in increasing testosterone. Olives and pistachios are great for raising testosterone level.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Griffith]

 One of the things the muscle magazines never mention is that protein is a very powerful supressor of testosterone. Men who eat high protein diets have the lowest plasma levels of testosterone. The reason for this is that it takes more calories to process protein and eliminate it's metabolites than there are calories in protein, so you end up with a caloric deficit if you eat too much protein. The best diet for testosterone is one rich in fats, followed by carbs and with the lowest amount of protein. The monoinsaturated fatty acid, oleic acid, seems particularly powerful in increasing testosterone. Olives and pistachios are great for raising testosterone level.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I remember reading a study that claimed that the best diet for high test levels was high carbs and low amounts of protein.
And that high protein, low carbs, lowered testosterone.

From personal experience, I agree with this.

[True]

I can't agree with you more! I noticed the exact same thing.

I used to think I looked bloated, especially in my face, from the creatine I was using but it was the Whey Protein!

I will have to agree as well. I think its self explanatory that shakes can never ever replace real whole foods. The times I have run out of protein powder and just had to rely on whole foods, I immideatly noticed the difference in a positive way. However, with quality protein powders such as ON`s 100% whey, I feel they are really convenient at times when you just dont have the time and energy to make and consume whole foods. I also feel that by using shakes, it takes away a lot of stress and energy by preparing whole foods all the time, ESPECIALLY on a diet where you have to plan and make your food everyday for the next day. But imo, the only time when a proteinshake is really needed, is right after you`ve finished your workout - and you need a fast absorbing protein source. I also think they are great during the middle of the night when you have to pee, and you can just throw down a quick shake to keep the musclebuilding/maintaining going.

As for how much protein you need to build/maintain muscle, I agree with everyone else that says eating too much protein is overrated. I can get by just fine with a normal healthy diet without any big numbers of protein.. Balance is the key to everything in life, overdoing stuff doesnt necessary make things any better.

[EL Mariachi]

 Where have I claimed that a baby needs more protein in absolute terms than an adult? Show me...my point is that you don't need a lot of protein to build new muscle, since a baby builds up to two pounds of new tissue a week eating about 10 grams of protein a day. How do you explain that it can build so much new muscle, organ and connective tissue with so little protein? Riddle me that?

  Suppose that you need 0.3 grams to maintain nitrogen balance, like most of the scientific studies suggest, and that a 5 lbs baby gets 10 grams of protein from mother's milk a day. That means it is using 1.5 of the grams of protein to maintain it's current body mass, and it is building those 2 lbs of new tissue in a week from 8.5 grams of excess protein a day. So this means that a 180 lbs male needs 68.5 grams of protein a day to gain two pounds of lean muscle a week.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

because as a baby you re designed to grow easy, when you grow up you become hardgainer you dig

[JP_RC]

I think that is low, and highly individual specific. Like, some might do ok with that amount while for others it is too low.

I will say this- I ate MEGA protein for YEARS and was always fat and bloated. I was also told PROTEIN CAN'T TURN INTO FAT!!!

BULLSHIT!!!

My body NEVER looked better than after I dropped the protein shakes and stuck with whole food. In the process I dropped protein consumption by 40% at least. And what happened? I lost bloat and leaned out while retaining muscle.

I do believe the protein sparing effects of carbohydrate are badly misunderstood and not talked about enough. Also protein spillover turns to fat at an ALARMING rate.

Same here, I experienced the exact same thing.

Also high protein always got me fat and bloated, while high carbs don't. I know its weird since both have the same calories, but that's what happens to me. Plus, I felt like shit eating too much protein.

[George Whorewell]

 George, this is irrelevant insofar as the amount of protein needed to build new muscle tissue. It doesen't matter if muscle growth occurs via hypertrophy or hyperplasia. We are talking about the amount of protein needed to build muscle like the amount of bricks needed to build a house.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

My point is that animals are at a natural advantage over human beings regardless of protein intake. Human beings can only increase the size of their muscles. Animals can generate new muscle cells. It is because of this difference in physiology that no human being ( even juiced to the gills) will ever equal a gorilla in size or strength. Have you ever seen a gorilla eat chicken or steak? Gorillas eat bananas and receive sustenance from plants and other low protein sources. Little to no protein intake = Gorilla's are still massive beasts

[DK II]

Same here, I experienced the exact same thing.

Also high protein always got me fat and bloated, while high carbs don't. I know its weird since both have the same calories, but that's what happens to me. Plus, I felt like shit eating too much protein.

I think you guys probably didn't take a WPI but a concentrate, which can be high in lactose.

When you drink a lot of that, you can bloat or get stomach issues.

Always try to get a WPI, it's much better.

[asbrus]

 My whole point with this thread is that you only need 0.25 grams per pound of bodyweight to maintain a positive nitrogen balance, plus an extra few grams a day for growth.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

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