Call For Obama To Legalize Marijuana By International Panel Of Foreign Heads Of

[tonymctones]

They cite government stats that claim that drug use has gone down due to drug policy. That is pretty much an endorsement of the drug war.

Plus if you watch other drug war fox interviews they are almost always in support of it.

LMFAO or fair and balanced reporting...

hahahaha so everytime msnbc cites some shit they are endorsing it?

[OzmO]

LOL yes but if you can grow it in your house, kids or ppl who want to make a quick buck will and will supply it to kids...

JUST LIKE THEY DO NOW!!!!!!!!!

so how will legalizing it keep it out of the hands of kids?

So there's a problem with home brewed alcohol being supplied to children?  I am sure there are some cases.  

There will always be some transgressions.  You won't keep it out of kids hands no matter what you do.  My point is that it will be less if it is legalized and the penalties are severe because the casual "hook up" won't near exist to the extent it does now.

did you think i was suggesting there wouldn't be "any" problem with sales to minors?

[Deicide]

LOL yes but if you can grow it in your house, kids or ppl who want to make a quick buck will and will supply it to kids...

JUST LIKE THEY DO NOW!!!!!!!!!

so how will legalizing it keep it out of the hands of kids?

It won't but it doesn't now either. As I said, at least people would not go to jail for victimless crimes. Saves money on jails as well.

[Primemuscle]

what a fuking fairy tale world you live in...

i bet you think gangs would dry and go away as well?

LMFAO

we still have organized crime without prohibition...use that as an example and extrapolate...

-Never said that organized crime would disappear. But if there is no profit in selling drugs illegally, the drug cartels would need to find other work....I am pretty sure they expect to make a profit.  Who sells liquor since prohibition ended?

[tonymctones]

LOL i would say there isnt a big problem b/c alcohol is readily available to minors...

also home growth of marijuana I would say would be more prevelant than home brewing of beer which is a pain in the ass and hard to produce good quality beer.

I disagree there will be less, it will be about the same amount if they want it they will get it just like they do now.

[tonymctones]

It won't but it doesn't now either. As I said, at least people would not go to jail for victimless crimes. Saves money on jails as well.

what victimless crimes are you referring to?

[OzmO]

LOL i would say there isnt a big problem b/c alcohol is readily available to minors...

also home growth of marijuana I would say would be more prevelant than home brewing of beer which is a pain in the ass and hard to produce good quality beer.

I disagree there will be less, it will be about the same amount if they want it they will get it just like they do now.

Believe me, home growing is a pain in the ass and is very costly.  Lots of work.  But like anything, it will be more on the parents than anything else. 

[tonymctones]

-Never said that organized crime would disappear. But if there is no profit in selling drugs illegally, the drug cartels would need to find other work....I am pretty sure they expect to make a profit.  Who sells liquor since prohibition ended?

LMAO you said drug cartels would disappear...LMFAO well organized crimes main deal was alcohol...their still around

what makes you think drug cartels would disappear as you claim?

[Deicide]

what victimless crimes are you referring to?

Well, people smoking weed, getting high, chilling out...getting caught, going to jail. That's a victimless crime.

[tonymctones]

Believe me, home growing is a pain in the ass and is very costly.  Lots of work.  But like anything, it will be more on the parents than anything else.  

Ill take your word for it dont know many who have grown shit at home, have known a few that have grown stuff outdoors and i gotta be honest seems pretty damn easy...

[tonymctones]

Well, people smoking weed, getting high, chilling out...getting caught, going to jail. That's a victimless crime.

so possesion then?

heres the deal you dont go to jail for possesion unless you have a good amount or your driving under the influence etc...

if you get caught with a small amount now you get a citation and let go...

same as would happen if it was legal...sorry bro not a good point...

[Bindare_Dundat]

Believe me, home growing is a pain in the ass and is very costly.  Lots of work.  But like anything, it will be more on the parents than anything else.  

It's can be very labor intensive if you wanna do it right and the show is considered large (larger than a few grown in a small closet anyway.) Most people don't know anything about growing to begin with and as soon as the leaves start turning yellow and the thing goes limp, they often pack it in. I'd say 90% of wannabe growers don't even get to the budding stage.

[Deicide]

so possesion then?

heres the deal you dont go to jail for possesion unless you have a good amount or your driving etc...

if you get caught with a small amount now you get a citation and let go...

same as would happen if it was legal...sorry bro not a good point...

Ah, but you forgot the 3 strikes you're out rule.

http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/031496.html

Twice As Many Defendants Imprisoned For Marijuana Possession
Under Tough 'Three Strikes' Law Than For Violent Crimes, Study Indicates
March 6, 1996, San Francisco, CA: More than twice as many defendants have been sentenced to stiff prison sentences under California's "three strikes and you're out" law than have murderers, rapists, and kidnappers combined, according to a recent study by the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice in San Francisco.

Overall, the report concluded that 85 percent of those sentenced under the law had been convicted most recently of a non-violent offense. Of those 85 percent, 192 individuals were sentenced under the law after being convicted of marijuana possession while in custody (a felony offense in California) as compared to only 40 who were convicted of murder, 25 of rape, and 24 of kidnapping.

To be prosecuted under the stringent California law, a defendant must have been convicted of at least one or more serious violent crimes in the past.

However, the most recent offense need not be a violent crime -- only a felony. The law mandates double the normal sentence for anyone convicted of a second felony and life sentence for any individual convicted of a third felony.

"People are going to jail in America for possessing marijuana," stated NORML's Deputy Director Allen St. Pierre. "As this report clearly illustrates, the sentences can potentially be for life. This sort of illogical and fiscally irresponsible mandatory sentencing must end."

For more information on the numbers of marijuana users behind bars, please contact Allen St. Pierre of NORML @ (202) 483-5500. For a copy of the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice Report, please call (415) 621-5661.

[tonymctones]

LOL "192 individuals were sentenced under the law after being convicted of marijuana possession while in custody (a felony offense in California)"

so when you legalize it, it will be legal to have it while in custody?

that weird, they arent allowed to have alcohol and its legal...

going to they gym be back in a bit

[Deicide]

LOL "192 individuals were sentenced under the law after being convicted of marijuana possession while in custody (a felony offense in California)"

so when you legalize it, it will be legal to have it while in custody?

that weird, they arent allowed to have alcohol and its legal...

going to they gym be back in a bit

I don't think that is what that means. I think they were in custody because of possession.

[Primemuscle]

LMAO you said drug cartels would disappear...LMFAO well organized crimes main deal was alcohol...their still around

what makes you think drug cartels would disappear as you claim?

Tommy,

As in the past you don't read what I post accurately. I never said the people who make up the drug cartels would disappear. I suggested their current revenue source would evaporate with the legalization of all recreationale drugs. Obviously, if all they know is crime, they would move on to other venues....just not drugs.

[Dos Equis]

didnt really see a reaction more of news reporting but OKKKKKK...

Agree.  Sounded like a pretty generic news report. 

[outby43]

so possesion then?

heres the deal you dont go to jail for possesion unless you have a good amount or your driving under the influence etc...

if you get caught with a small amount now you get a citation and let go...

same as would happen if it was legal...sorry bro not a good point...

I wish this was correct.

[tonymctones]

I don't think that is what that means. I think they were in custody because of possession.

well i guess its bad for you that it SAYS WHAT IT SAYS then isnt it?

I dont think obama means what he is saying, I think he means he is a die hard liberal and wants a socialist country...but then again he never said that did he?

see how your game works?

[tonymctones]

Tommy,

As in the past you don't read what I post accurately. I never said the people who make up the drug cartels would disappear. I suggested their current revenue source would evaporate with the legalization of all recreationale drugs. Obviously, if all they know is crime, they would move on to other venues....just not drugs.

bro im not putting words in your mouth...

If recreational drugs were legal, drug cartels would disappear because there would be little profit in the manufacture and sale of drugs. Afterall, it is all about the money, isn't it? I believe

fact the drug cartels wouldnt disappear they would simply move onto some other form of crime...

they would still be there but committing different crimes...

[OzmO]

Ill take your word for it dont know many who have grown shit at home, have known a few that have grown stuff outdoors and i gotta be honest seems pretty damn easy...

I have friends who have.  Like Bindare said, it can be labor intensive if you wanna do it right.  Every casual grower will get out done by larger growers and those by even larger based on consistency (both in quality and availability), and advertising.  The change in the rules will cause casual growers to diminish while large growing operations will be the only ones selling to large retail outlets.  Of course you will have your artisans and casual growers who will decide on there own whether or not they want to be implicated and or charged with supplying and contributing pot to a minor and face the same punishment as if they were supplying whiskey to their children.   the people who sell weed to children are usually older children who buy it from people of 18-25 or someone's brother, etc.  All those people will lose their suppliers.  And just like alcohol there will be stiff punishments for buying kids weed.  Maybe even worse.   There will be far fewer dealers.   It might be more than what we see with alcohol but much less than it is now where a 12 year old kid can buy it at school anytime he wants.  

[tonymctones]

I wish this was correct.

It is the vast majority of the time broham...most ppl caught with simple possetion under a certain amount(not sure what it is) are given a citation...not taken to jail, not put in prison...

now if they are driving under the influence, have warrants, are committing another crime like dealing...they go to jail

facts is facts my friends....

[OzmO]

It's usually an under an ounce to just get a ticket.

[tonymctones]

I have friends who have.  Like Bindare said, it can be labor intensive if you wanna do it right.  Every casual grower will get out done by larger growers and those by even larger based on consistency (both in quality and availability), and advertising.  The change in the rules will cause casual growers to diminish while large growing operations will be the only ones selling to large retail outlets.  Of course you will have your artisans and casual growers who will decide on there own whether or not they want to be implicated and or charged with supplying and contributing pot to a minor and face the same punishment as if they were supplying whiskey to their children.   the people who sell weed to children are usually older children who buy it from people of 18-25 or someone's brother, etc.  All those people will lose their suppliers.  And just like alcohol there will be stiff punishments for buying kids weed.  Maybe even worse.   There will be far fewer dealers.   It might be more than what we see with alcohol but much less than it is now where a 12 year old kid can buy it at school anytime he wants.  

still disagree it will be just as readily available just not from the same sources...the penalties for selling right now are worse than contributing to minors so you think a lesser penalty is going to deter ppl?

i dont think so...

[tonymctones]

It's usually an under an ounce to just get a ticket.

I wanted to say an ounce but i wasnt sure...man its been a while LOL