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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #100 on: June 05, 2011, 10:29:18 AM »
 ::) atheism means you dont exist. none of us do. there is no you, there is no me.


hume, probably the best atheist philosopher to date, was a very cheerful atheist his entire life. took great pleasure in telling others that god was a llie, how they were so foolish to believe. 


spent his final weeks in pure emotional agony. 





so? so we should believe something because it makes us feel better?

you realize that you dont know if god exists, namely because you are human like any other and thus do not have access to knowledge others do not.

chris hitchens is dying with terminal esphogeal cancer and is a stedfast atheist and finds the thought disgusting in the face of certain death. Either story does not help the position of the theist or atheist. I prefer to believe something because there is evidence to do so and because it is true, not because it makes me feel good.

science definitely has something to say about how one should live their life. It answers all the important questions, the how's the why's do not matter and can be shown in most cases to be useless to debate.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #101 on: June 05, 2011, 12:14:04 PM »
I hope you don't seriously think Sagan is anywhere near a halfway decent philosopher. His logical errors in thinking are so easy to detect that one has to wonder if his intellectual capabilities are even sufficient for a decent scientist.
Proof please.  I don`t think you have any.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #102 on: June 05, 2011, 12:19:51 PM »
it's as if these people think the human brain is the most complex thing in existence, that nothing can surpass it's creations (thoughts/logic). We can only sense so much, we can only understand concepts within reason, science extends that as does math.

the human body is more complex then the brain and quantum computers will eventually surpass our best thinkers.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #103 on: June 05, 2011, 01:30:29 PM »
it's as if these people think the human brain is the most complex thing in existence, that nothing can surpass it's creations (thoughts/logic). We can only sense so much, we can only understand concepts within reason, science extends that as does math.

the human body is more complex then the brain and quantum computers will eventually surpass our best thinkers.
People like that are always the ones who claim to know everything but in fact know very little. Ironic how that works.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #104 on: June 05, 2011, 05:12:34 PM »
Is that your definition?
no its fact

so? so we should believe something because it makes us feel better?

you realize that you dont know if god exists, namely because you are human like any other and thus do not have access to knowledge others do not.

chris hitchens is dying with terminal esphogeal cancer and is a stedfast atheist and finds the thought disgusting in the face of certain death. Either story does not help the position of the theist or atheist. I prefer to believe something because there is evidence to do so and because it is true, not because it makes me feel good.

science definitely has something to say about how one should live their life. It answers all the important questions, the how's the why's do not matter and can be shown in most cases to be useless to debate.
chris hitchens puts on a front, just like hume did. during his time everyone of his friends spoke of his courage in the face of death, how he showed no remorse or hestitation to endorse his atheistic views while knowing he would die. it was only after the fact when his personal caretaker told of his sleepless nights filled with sobbing screams of terror, dreadful agonies of displeasure..  putting on a good face for company so as to keep his "reputation"..  likewise hitchns is probably suffering quite a deal


it's as if these people think the human brain is the most complex thing in existence, that nothing can surpass it's creations (thoughts/logic). We can only sense so much, we can only understand concepts within reason, science extends that as does math.

the human body is more complex then the brain and quantum computers will eventually surpass our best thinkers.
no its as if YOU think the human brian is the most complex thing in the world! its you who denies the omnipotent!


your incredibly dull if you think a machine can attain wisdom

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #105 on: June 05, 2011, 05:14:22 PM »
no its fact
chris hitchens puts on a front, just like hume did. during his time everyone of his friends spoke of his courage in the face of death, how he showed no remorse or hestitation to endorse his atheistic views while knowing he would die. it was only after the fact when his personal caretaker told of his sleepless nights filled with sobbing screams of terror, dreadful agonies of displeasure..  putting on a good face for company so as to keep his "reputation"..  likewise hitchns is probably suffering quite a deal

 no its as if YOU think the human brian is the most complex thing in the world! its you who denies the omnipotent!


your incredibly dull if you think a machine can attain wisdom

You're making up stories about Hume. They were created after he died to defame the man.
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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #106 on: June 05, 2011, 05:15:06 PM »
You're making up stories about Hume. They were created after he died to defame the man.
am i making them up or did someone else? get your story straight  ;D

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #107 on: June 05, 2011, 05:17:29 PM »
am i making them up or did someone else? get your story straight  ;D

Both. Neither is true. Hume died quietly without the crap you claim he was spouting.
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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #108 on: June 05, 2011, 05:18:48 PM »
 Shortly after Hume’s death, it appears that Hume’s housekeeper – probably Margaret Irvine – was riding in a stagecoach with three other passengers – including the father-in-law of Hume’s friend James Edmonstone. The subject of Hume’s death arose, and the passengers were commenting on the philosopher’s peaceful state of mind. Irvine then volunteered her firsthand experience. Hume indeed appeared tranquil in the presence of visitors, Irvine related, but it was all a show. In private, he was gripped with anguish to the point that his bed shook and he did not want to be left alone; he stated that he had been in search of light all his life but was now in greater darkness than ever. Five items discuss this story from what seems to be three independent sources. The most detailed narrative of Irvine’s account is “On the Death-Bed of Hume the Historian” in the Christian Observer (1831) which reprints an article that “appeared many years ago in an Edinburgh newspaper.” The most convincing authentication of the story is in Alexander Haldane’s Memoirs (1852), which traces it from Hume’s housekeeper, to Mr. Abercromby of Tullibody (Edmonstone’s father-in-law) who was on the coach, to Abercromby’s neighbours, the Haldane family. What can we say about the authenticity of this story? First, it is reasonable to believe that Margaret Irvine was on a stagecoach with Abercromby and others, and that she indeed discussed Hume’s dying days – though probably not in the exact words that the narrators ascribe to her. Second, it is reasonable to believe that she witnessed Hume in anguish, especially in his final weeks, and that Hume’s mannerisms changed when his guests left. Third, it is not clear, however, whether the anguish she perceived was the result of Hume’s reflections on an afterlife, his possible declining mental state, or his suffering from a terminal illness. In any event, we must conclude that the reports of Hume’s thoroughly tranquil decline by Boswell, Cullen, and Smith are not as accurate as history has assumed.


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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #109 on: June 05, 2011, 05:19:31 PM »
off to exercise my negative friend. adu

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #110 on: June 05, 2011, 06:48:30 PM »
Yep. I'm sorry. Sadly, Twodongz is right. His story checks out on wikipedia. :-\

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #111 on: June 06, 2011, 06:34:19 AM »
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3932444/TTC_VIDEO_-_Dark_Matter__Dark_Energy

I haven't found time to watch it yet so I expect a 3 sentence summary by this time tomorrow.  Pool's closed.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #112 on: June 06, 2011, 06:38:00 AM »

i know mar. 500,000 is not that much when it comes to these sort of things.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #113 on: June 06, 2011, 06:43:25 AM »
Shortly after Hume’s death, it appears that Hume’s housekeeper – probably Margaret Irvine – was riding in a stagecoach with three other passengers – including the father-in-law of Hume’s friend James Edmonstone. The subject of Hume’s death arose, and the passengers were commenting on the philosopher’s peaceful state of mind. Irvine then volunteered her firsthand experience. Hume indeed appeared tranquil in the presence of visitors, Irvine related, but it was all a show. In private, he was gripped with anguish to the point that his bed shook and he did not want to be left alone; he stated that he had been in search of light all his life but was now in greater darkness than ever. Five items discuss this story from what seems to be three independent sources. The most detailed narrative of Irvine’s account is “On the Death-Bed of Hume the Historian” in the Christian Observer (1831) which reprints an article that “appeared many years ago in an Edinburgh newspaper.” The most convincing authentication of the story is in Alexander Haldane’s Memoirs (1852), which traces it from Hume’s housekeeper, to Mr. Abercromby of Tullibody (Edmonstone’s father-in-law) who was on the coach, to Abercromby’s neighbours, the Haldane family. What can we say about the authenticity of this story? First, it is reasonable to believe that Margaret Irvine was on a stagecoach with Abercromby and others, and that she indeed discussed Hume’s dying days – though probably not in the exact words that the narrators ascribe to her. Second, it is reasonable to believe that she witnessed Hume in anguish, especially in his final weeks, and that Hume’s mannerisms changed when his guests left. Third, it is not clear, however, whether the anguish she perceived was the result of Hume’s reflections on an afterlife, his possible declining mental state, or his suffering from a terminal illness. In any event, we must conclude that the reports of Hume’s thoroughly tranquil decline by Boswell, Cullen, and Smith are not as accurate as history has assumed.
Actually, you can't presume to know anything of the sort, you idiot. In fact, I dare you to put that thesis in a paper/essay, hand it in, and see what the prof says about it. Cripes. Your bong water is deeper than you, bomz.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #114 on: June 06, 2011, 08:41:24 AM »
Actually, you can't presume to know anything of the sort, you idiot. In fact, I dare you to put that thesis in a paper/essay, hand it in, and see what the prof says about it. Cripes. Your bong water is deeper than you, bomz.
  ;D idiot... i didnt write that... i took it off of a page written by a phd holding philosophy professor at the university of tennessee, educated at purdue... his writing, the above piece i quoted, is  endorsed by the philosophy department of stanford.  ;D

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #115 on: June 06, 2011, 11:40:53 AM »
no its fact


no its not its the furthest thing from a fact, you can't dispute facts unless you are retarded. It's conjecture, its odd that the smartest people on earth are atheists huh? that religiousity declines with education.


chris hitchens puts on a front, just like hume did. during his time everyone of his friends spoke of his courage in the face of death, how he showed no remorse or hestitation to endorse his atheistic views while knowing he would die. it was only after the fact when his personal caretaker told of his sleepless nights filled with sobbing screams of terror, dreadful agonies of displeasure..  putting on a good face for company so as to keep his "reputation"..  likewise hitchns is probably suffering quite a deal



you have no idea if he is putting on a front, in fact if you have watched any of his recent talks or debates it would have to be concluded that it is the opposite. Either way it has nothing to do with the truth of god, saying aha! look a suffering dying old man who was scared and probably delusional because of his wasting converted to god proves god is terrible. His life's work speaks for itself, i would take what someone says when dying with little thought chris hitchens pointed this out, he said if stories come out about him then he wasn't himself and was probably delusional from the meds/pain and starvation.



 no its as if YOU think the human brian is the most complex thing in the world! its you who denies the omnipotent!


your incredibly dull if you think a machine can attain wisdom

i don't i already outlined that it is not, not sure how you figure i do.

what the hell is wisdom? is it some nebulous esoteric entity that somehow human brains can only acquire? lol.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #116 on: June 06, 2011, 11:45:51 AM »
  ;D idiot... i didnt write that... i took it off of a page written by a phd holding philosophy professor at the university of tennessee, educated at purdue... his writing, the above piece i quoted, is  endorsed by the philosophy department of stanford.  ;D

It is a presumption, and I (now) assume his thesis, which would either be supported convincingly or unconvincingly by his 'research.' It is not, in any way, 'fact,' so be very careful, my pocket Einstein.   ;) 

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #117 on: June 06, 2011, 11:59:38 AM »
It is a presumption, and I (now) assume his thesis, which would either be supported convincingly or unconvincingly by his 'research.' It is not, in any way, 'fact,' so be very careful, my pocket Einstein.   ;) 
Probably got his information from Richard Nixon.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #118 on: June 12, 2011, 04:23:54 PM »
Proof please.  I don`t think you have any.

Look up his famous article about the dragon. Ridiculous.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #119 on: June 12, 2011, 04:27:12 PM »
look up his famous article about the dragon. Ridiculous.
some people are so blind

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #120 on: June 12, 2011, 04:32:50 PM »
some people are so blind

It's unbelievable what unspeakable nonsense is called Philosophy these days.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #121 on: June 12, 2011, 04:35:46 PM »
It's unbelievable what unspeakable nonsense is called Philosophy these days.

3 more posts dude, cmon. You're almost there. ;)

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #122 on: June 12, 2011, 04:40:39 PM »
It's unbelievable what unspeakable nonsense is called Philosophy these days.
descarte nailed it

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #123 on: June 12, 2011, 04:50:33 PM »
3 more posts dude, cmon. You're almost there. ;)

LOL, just realized it ;D

OK, so here is an old post about Sagan:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=198162.msg2819808#msg2819808

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #124 on: June 12, 2011, 05:16:16 PM »
LOL, just realized it ;D

OK, so here is an old post about Sagan:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=198162.msg2819808#msg2819808
'Mindfucked' is how i would describe my emotional state after reading those posts.

Im going to curl up in bed and cry now  :'(
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