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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #125 on: June 12, 2011, 05:22:13 PM »
'Mindfucked' is how i would describe my emotional state after reading those posts.

Im going to curl up in bed and cry now  :'(

Lol, I have to admit I feel the same way.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #126 on: June 12, 2011, 05:35:10 PM »
LOL, just realized it ;D

OK, so here is an old post about Sagan:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=198162.msg2819808#msg2819808


 :'( literally, tears of joy


im not alone !!!


way to explain things in an understandable way, absolutely destroying deicide and others


 bravo wavelength, bravo


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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #127 on: June 12, 2011, 05:38:12 PM »
and you were arguing for descartes philosophy too, albeit you never said it explicitly. wonderful. wave, come to cali turn gay and marry me  :-*

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #128 on: June 13, 2011, 04:04:27 AM »
and you were arguing for descartes philosophy too, albeit you never said it explicitly. wonderful. wave, come to cali turn gay and marry me  :-*

LOL, my GF might have objections ;D

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #129 on: June 13, 2011, 04:12:03 AM »
LOL, my GF might have objections ;D

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #130 on: June 13, 2011, 04:23:18 AM »
Haha, isn't that what we really are here for? Prooving we can still be straight looking at oiled-up, thonged men with muscles prancing around to funny music? ;D

BTW, Just saw that the Sagan discussion started here:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=198162.msg2759951#msg2759951

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #131 on: June 13, 2011, 12:16:45 PM »
that thread was painful to read. He actually argues that the world does not exist if we are not conscious. That's raping objectivity right there, things exist whether we perceive them or not, that has been proven over and over.

The what is space, what is time etc questioning is ridiculous as well, you cannot answer a question that is posed improperly. If i ask you what music is you have to describe it using its parts there is no other way to answer such questions. The fact that reductionism is the only way to answer these what questions is stepped over and then denied from being acceptable answers.

What are philosophical answers to what is space? Answer it without reducing it. reductionism is based on observation, if you cannot observe it there is no point in talking about it since all bets are off and any conjecture can be true. Logic is also failed, at least when discussing the nature of reality since the true nature has been shown to be counter-intuitive. Suggesting there is something more to existence then the substances it is made of gets us no where and can never be articulated since only things that are material and observable (directly or indirectly) can truly be elucidated, otherwise it's just a guesses.

the human mind can only do so much, it is bound by it's limitations, namely that of our senses and experiences, science is not. You pick which view equates to truth.

science includes our logic but extends it also.

show something exists that is immaterial, eternal and infinite. It's impossible by definition.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #132 on: June 13, 2011, 12:20:32 PM »
by the way hiding behind the guise of "it's philosophy" as if its some sort of sacred goat not be questioned is disingenuous. My friend and smartest man i know has a phd in philosophy and working on one in chaos theory i believe could talk circles around anyone here and realizes that philosophy is dead. Nothing new has been presented, its the same arguments that are outdated, they don't hold true, reality is too weird to comprehend with logic and with our brains. Help is needed, thats were math comes in.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #133 on: June 13, 2011, 12:30:36 PM »
by the way hiding behind the guise of "it's philosophy" as if its some sort of sacred goat not be questioned is disingenuous. My friend and smartest man i know has a phd in philosophy and working on one in chaos theory i believe could talk circles around anyone here and realizes that philosophy is dead. Nothing new has been presented, its the same arguments that are outdated, they don't hold true, reality is too weird to comprehend with logic and with our brains. Help is needed, thats were math comes in.
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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #134 on: June 13, 2011, 03:56:51 PM »
STFU

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #135 on: June 13, 2011, 04:09:43 PM »
by the way hiding behind the guise of "it's philosophy" as if its some sort of sacred goat not be questioned is disingenuous. My friend and smartest man i know has a phd in philosophy and working on one in chaos theory i believe could talk circles around anyone here and realizes that philosophy is dead. Nothing new has been presented, its the same arguments that are outdated, they don't hold true, reality is too weird to comprehend with logic and with our brains. Help is needed, thats were math comes in.

and yet philosophy IS science -- the gay science, as Nietzsche called it -- the science under which all particular branches coalesce.  as long as people are trying to understand the world and bend it to their will, philosophy will be alive.  the more particular a concern, the more "scientific" it is, but there is no fundamental difference between the two.


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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #136 on: June 13, 2011, 10:14:30 PM »

the human mind can only do so much, it is bound by it's limitations, namely that of our senses and experiences, science is not. You pick which view equates to truth.

science includes our logic but extends it also.

show something exists that is immaterial, eternal and infinite. It's impossible by definition.


lol. science is not bound by our sense and experience?  give one example  ;D








the simple fact is that existence requires magic.



get that in your head and then you can begin to understand.



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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #137 on: June 13, 2011, 10:20:14 PM »
candi-tay, is it true that you have a thing for dark matter?

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #138 on: June 13, 2011, 10:39:21 PM »
candi-tay, is it true that you have a thing for dark matter?
yes, very true. tight and juicy, thick and long.. either way, fantastic

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #140 on: June 14, 2011, 12:46:46 AM »
that thread was painful to read. He actually argues that the world does not exist if we are not conscious. That's raping objectivity right there, things exist whether we perceive them or not, that has been proven over and over.

The what is space, what is time etc questioning is ridiculous as well, you cannot answer a question that is posed improperly. If i ask you what music is you have to describe it using its parts there is no other way to answer such questions. The fact that reductionism is the only way to answer these what questions is stepped over and then denied from being acceptable answers.

What are philosophical answers to what is space? Answer it without reducing it. reductionism is based on observation, if you cannot observe it there is no point in talking about it since all bets are off and any conjecture can be true. Logic is also failed, at least when discussing the nature of reality since the true nature has been shown to be counter-intuitive. Suggesting there is something more to existence then the substances it is made of gets us no where and can never be articulated since only things that are material and observable (directly or indirectly) can truly be elucidated, otherwise it's just a guesses.

the human mind can only do so much, it is bound by it's limitations, namely that of our senses and experiences, science is not. You pick which view equates to truth.

science includes our logic but extends it also.

show something exists that is immaterial, eternal and infinite. It's impossible by definition.

Wasn't me who stopped argueing in the original thread. Repetition of already disproven statements won't make them true, neither then nor now.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #141 on: June 14, 2011, 12:48:19 AM »
by the way hiding behind the guise of "it's philosophy" as if its some sort of sacred goat not be questioned is disingenuous. My friend and smartest man i know has a phd in philosophy and working on one in chaos theory i believe could talk circles around anyone here and realizes that philosophy is dead. Nothing new has been presented, its the same arguments that are outdated, they don't hold true, reality is too weird to comprehend with logic and with our brains. Help is needed, thats were math comes in.

^^^ Funny how you make philosophic statements not based in science and at the same time believe that philosophy is dead. What's the name of your friend, he must be well known in the philosophic community for being the one who brought it down.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #142 on: June 14, 2011, 08:50:27 AM »
^^^ Funny how you make philosophic statements not based in science and at the same time believe that philosophy is dead. What's the name of your friend, he must be well known in the philosophic community for being the one who brought it down.

it has come down on itself, name one recent philosophical argument that has any huge impact on human thought?

i would side to a certain extent with pragmatism, logic is not adequate to explain reality, what don't you get about that?

you never assert anything, you don't even make arguments, you skirt about topics because you have no substance. Asking questions with no value like what is space?

tell me the answer? tell me why that question matters?

dualism is done, its a retarded philosophy.

do you believe in dualism? in immaterial things, the word thing is self refuting for this concept but for the sake of the pseudo intellectuals out there lets consider it a valid question.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #143 on: June 14, 2011, 09:41:20 AM »
describe the experience of being human necrosis. 


now compare that to what it might be like to "be" a computer.

similar? u think a computer can feel emotion?


where exactly in the nuerons is information held?


what holds an atom together?


where did all of the "conceptual determinations" come from  that created everything?


how did the first piece of material form out of energy?



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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #144 on: June 14, 2011, 09:43:31 AM »
name one recent philosophical argument that has any huge impact on human thought?


once something is perfected it can not be improved  :) descartes, leibnez, and to a lesser degree wittgenstein, hume and others have already nailed it down.  everyone since then has been garbage.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #145 on: June 14, 2011, 09:50:00 AM »

plus .. get this in yoru head


lol. science is not bound by our sense and experience?  give one example  ;D








the simple fact is that existence requires magic.



get that in your head and then you can begin to understand.




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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #146 on: June 14, 2011, 12:10:15 PM »
once something is perfected it can not be improved  :) descartes, leibnez, and to a lesser degree wittgenstein, hume and others have already nailed it down.  everyone since then has been garbage.

sure, give me some of the arguments you think prove a magical nessecity? Ever think that maybe we know more about reality now, or are you saying they had all the answers.

I am unaware of any philosophical argument for god that is not ripe with logical fallacies and unfounded assumptions. Give me some.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #147 on: June 14, 2011, 12:17:47 PM »
Why am I not surprised that Tbombz is upset that 'Dark Matter' wasnt refferring to some black guy named Jerome and a bottle of lube. 
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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #148 on: June 14, 2011, 12:18:20 PM »
so today in the paper there is an article titled "uc berkely astronomer wins prize: researcher will share $500,000 award for work on dark matter".   it just baffled me. so this researchers name is marc davis. obviously a very smart guy to be a professor and researcher at uc berkely. he just discovered evidence that confirms the existence of "dark matter". dark matter is cold and dark and it makes up most of the universe. before now, this was only theoretical in the field of science.  at the end of the article the reearcher says that they are now looking into dark matter itself, trying to find out its inner nature. he said " if..the large hadron collider... doesnt tell us anything, we're never going to know what it(dark matter) is".

                                               wtf??!!!!

               was this not glaringly obvious to even ancient man? that the universe is a cold, dark place ?

               how does this knowledge help answer any questions about ANYthing? what use can it be ?

these researchers and astrnomers are looking for the nature of the universe by disecting its components... how misguided! from the outset logic dictates that a search into the mechanics of relaity will be fruitless... infinite complexity means an impossibility of closure...     yet these misguided souls continue to look to science for answers..   

to top it all offf... he ends by saying.. "if the hadron collider doesnt figure out what dark matter is, we will never know". are u fucking stupid dude? what makes you any different from the ancient man who thought lightning was unexplainable?

i swear... some people...

these silly, slly scientists, mostly atheists, who cant see past their own shit. 


If you want to find dark matter, look no further, it's in your cranium.

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Re: stupid scientists and the discovery of dark matter
« Reply #149 on: June 14, 2011, 01:07:47 PM »
This morning I found out what dark matter really is, when I was out of toilet paper.