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Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« on: June 03, 2011, 02:05:20 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/03/mitt-romneys-economic-cla_n_870770.html


Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts


WASHINGTON — In rhetorical excesses marking his entry in the presidential campaign, Mitt Romney said the economy worsened under President Barack Obama, when it actually improved, and criticized the president for issuing apologies to the world that were never made.

A look at some of the statements by Romney on Thursday in announcing his bid for the Republican nomination and how they compare with the facts:

ROMNEY: "When he took office, the economy was in recession. He made it worse. And he made it last longer."

THE FACTS: The gross domestic product, the prime measure of economic strength, shrank by a severe 6.8 percent annual rate before Obama became president. The declines eased after he took office and economic growth, however modest, resumed. The recession officially ended six months into his presidency. Unemployment, however, has worsened under Obama, going from 7.8 percent in January 2009 to 9.1 percent last month. It hit 10.1 percent in October 2009.

A case can be made for and against the idea that Obama's policies made the economy worse than it needed to be and that the recession lasted longer than it might have under another president. Such arguments are at the core of political debate. But Obama did not, as Romney alleged, make the economy worse than it was when he took office.

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ROMNEY: "A few months into office, he traveled around the globe to apologize for America."

THE FACTS: Obama has not apologized for America. What he has done, in travels early in his presidency and since, is to make clear his belief that the U.S. is not beyond reproach. He has told foreigners that the U.S. at times acted "contrary to our traditions and ideals" in its treatment of terrorist suspects, that "America has too often been selective in its promotion of democracy," that the U.S. "certainly shares blame" for international economic turmoil and has sometimes shown arrogance toward allies. Obama, whose criticisms of America's past were typically balanced by praise, was in most cases taking issue with policies or the record of the previous administration, not an unusual approach for a new president – or a presidential candidate. Romney's actual point seems to be that Obama has been too critical of his country.

But there has been no formal – or informal – apology. No saying "sorry" on behalf of America.

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ROMNEY: "Three years later, foreclosures are still at record levels. Three years later the prices of homes continue to fall."

THE FACTS: Although foreclosures remain high, the number of U.S. homes that were repossessed by lenders fell in April, compared with March and a year ago, according to the foreclosure listing service RealtyTrac Inc. Romney's claim about home prices, though, is supported by the Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller 20-city monthly index. It found home prices in big metro areas have sunk to their lowest since 2002. Since the bubble burst in 2006, prices have fallen more than they did during the Great Depression.

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ROMNEY: "Instead of encouraging entrepreneurs and employers, he raises their taxes, piles on record-breaking mounds of regulation and bureaucracy and gives more power to union bosses."

THE FACTS: Romney ignores ambitious tax-cutting pushed by Obama. The stimulus plan early in his presidency cut taxes broadly for the middle class and business. He more recently won a one-year tax cut for 2011 that reduced most workers' Social Security payroll taxes by nearly a third. He also campaigned in support of extending the Bush-era tax cuts for all except the wealthy, whose taxes he wanted to raise. In office, he accepted a deal from Republicans extending the tax cuts for all. As for tax increases, Obama won congressional approval to raise them on tobacco and tanning salons. The penalty for those who don't buy health insurance, once coverage is mandatory, is a form of taxation. Several large tax increases in the health care law have not yet taken effect.

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ROMNEY: "The expectation was that we'd have to raise taxes but I refused. I ordered a review of all state spending, made tough choices and balanced the budget without raising taxes."

THE FACTS: Romney largely held the line on tax increases when he was Massachusetts governor but that's only part of the revenue story. The state raised business taxes by $140 million in one year with measures branded "loophole closings," the vast majority recommended by Romney. Moreover, the Republican governor and Democratic lawmakers raised hundreds of millions of dollars from higher fees and fines, taxation by another name. Romney himself proposed creating 33 new fees and increasing 57 others – enough to raise $59 million. Anti-tax groups were split on his performance. The Club for Growth called the fee increases and business taxes troubling. Citizens for Limited Taxation praised him for being steadfast in supporting an income tax rollback.

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Associated Press writers Steve LeBlanc in Boston and Jim Drinkard in Washington contributed to this report.

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2011, 02:17:26 PM »
Dear god is that moronic. 

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2011, 02:23:14 PM »
Pretty trivial, but a good "running cover" story to shield Obama.


Especially this gem:

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ROMNEY: "When he took office, the economy was in recession. He made it worse. And he made it last longer."

THE FACTS: The gross domestic product, the prime measure of economic strength, shrank by a severe 6.8 percent annual rate before Obama became president. The declines eased after he took office and economic growth, however modest, resumed. The recession officially ended six months into his presidency. Unemployment, however, has worsened under Obama, going from 7.8 percent in January 2009 to 9.1 percent last month. It hit 10.1 percent in October 2009.

A case can be made for and against the idea that Obama's policies made the economy worse than it needed to be and that the recession lasted longer than it might have under another president. Such arguments are at the core of political debate. But Obama did not, as Romney alleged, make the economy worse than it was when he took office.

There is no growth, zero, none, zilch. If there was and it was sustainable than the Fed would end QE. GDP is propped up by massive Fed stimulus, massive govt. programs and massive amounts of increased govt. spending. Think of the deficit of 1.5 trillion or so as stimulus as well. All of that for absolutely nothing. Talk about not being able to take an objective look.

It's from Huffington Post so I guess they kinda have to roll out this drivel.

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2011, 03:49:51 PM »
romney's new strategy is to parrot tea party catch phrases that bachmann was saying years before him.


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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2011, 03:55:55 PM »
why do they lie don't they realize that everone can look up everything now.the only one they are going to fool are the far right nuts, aka 333386

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2011, 03:58:15 PM »
why do they lie don't they realize that everone can look up everything now.the only one they are going to fool are the far right nuts, aka 333386

The economy is worse and the GDP number also is a pricy of govt spending.   

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2011, 04:40:48 PM »
Facts have a strong liberal bias


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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2011, 05:10:17 PM »
Yeah, booming economy straw.   Lmfao.   


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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2011, 05:13:13 PM »
Facts have a strong liberal bias



A scant 58,000 jobs added last month says that liberals like you wouldn't know facts if they punched you right in your Bay-Area elitist face.  :)

The sinking of the SS Obama went into overdrive today. Good thing he's been focusing on jobs "like a laser", though. I could only imagine where we'd be if we wasn't devoting all his time to fixing the economy and doing something dumb like giving billions to Muslims or hitting fundraiser after fundraiser.

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2011, 05:15:21 PM »
A scant 58,000 jobs added last month says that liberals like you wouldn't know facts if they punched you right in your Bay-Area elitist face.  :)

ADD much?

what does the anemic job report today have to do with Romney and the topic of this thread?

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2011, 05:15:34 PM »
Half of which were from mcdonalds. 

Remember pelosi screaming about that a few years ago? 

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2011, 05:16:42 PM »
ADD much?

what does the anemic job report today have to do with Romney and the topic of this thread?

I'm just making sure that you're aware of the horrifically atrocious jobs report that was released today. That sound you heard when it hit the internet this morning was the last bit of air being let out of the liberal agenda.  :)

Half of which were from mcdonalds. 

Remember pelosi screaming about that a few years ago? 

Piglosi is the biggest piece of shit in politics. A pathetic opportunist just like the rest of them.

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2011, 05:18:37 PM »
I'm just making sure that you're aware of the horrifically atrocious jobs report that was released today. That sound you heard when it hit the internet this morning was the last bit of air being let out of the liberal agenda.  :)

Piglosi is the biggest piece of shit in politics. A pathetic opportunist just like the rest of them.

liberal agenda = trying to fix the disaster of the past 8 years of Republican policy


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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2011, 05:22:45 PM »
Ha ha ha ha - aint working out too well now huh? 

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2011, 05:24:21 PM »
liberal agenda = trying to fix the disaster of the past 8 years of Republican policy spending this country into the abyss.



Fixed. Give it a rest already. 

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2011, 05:24:45 PM »
Ha ha ha ha - aint working out too well now huh? 

nope and part of the reason is the banking legislation

I agree with Bernake that credit it too tight and I think that's a big cause of these very weak recovery

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2011, 05:25:39 PM »
nope and part of the reason is the banking legislation

I agree with Bernake that credit it too tight and I think that's a big cause of these very weak recovery

You mean the Dodd-Frank legislation that pathetic liberals like Chucky Schumer voted for and who has now spent the last 10 months since voting in favor of it criticizing every facet of it? Hahahaha!

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2011, 05:26:04 PM »
Fixed. Give it a rest already. 

so you think spending by Obama is causing the problem

feel free to elaborate (assuming you're capable of doing so)

let's hear some specific details

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2011, 05:27:15 PM »
You mean the Dodd-Frank legislation that pathetic liberals like Chucky Schumer voted for and who has now spent the last 10 months since voting in favor of it criticizing every facet of it? Hahahaha!

do you remember me ever being in favor of it?

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2011, 05:28:20 PM »
so you think spending by Obama is causing the problem

feel free to elaborate (assuming you're capable of doing so)

let's hear some specific details

What's there to elaborate?

Over 14 trillion in debt and rapidly climbing.
58,000 jobs added and a U6 of 16% even after watching Dems spend in a way that put Bush to shame.
US debt on the verge of being downgraded by Moody's.
Obama doing everything in the world but actually addressing the economy.

You should tell everyone how you think the stimulus wasn't big enough. It's always funny when people with no economics background advocate Keynesian economics. Ask Japan how well that worked out for them.  ::)



How badly does it hurt you watching the SS Obama sink like it is?

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2011, 05:28:53 PM »
do you remember me ever being in favor of it?

Maybe you liberals should have thought it through. Or did you think that US banks were the only financial institutions on the planet?

You're basically saying that the dems are pretty fucking stupid and can't even see nor grasp the most simplest of potential outcomes to legislation they propose.

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2011, 05:29:36 PM »
What's there to elaborate?

Over 14 trillion in debt and rapidly climbing.
58,000 jobs added and a U6 of 16% even after watching Dems spend in a way that put Bush to shame.
US debt on the verge of being downgraded by Moody's.
Obama doing everything in the world but actually addressing the economy.

You should tell everyone how you think the stimulus wasn't big enough. It's always funny when people with no economics background advocate Keynesian economics. Ask Japan how well that worked out for them.  ::)



How badly does it hurt you watching the SS Obama sink like it is?

you said suggested that spending is causing the problem

give us an example or two

should be easy for you

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2011, 05:30:17 PM »
Maybe you liberals should have thought it through. Or did you think that US banks were the only financial institutions on the planet?

You're basically saying that the dems are pretty fucking stupid and can't even see nor grasp the most simplest of potential outcomes to legislation they propose.

I criticized it from the beginning so go bitch and moan to someone else

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2011, 05:30:42 PM »
you said suggested that spending is causing the problem

give us an example or two

should be easy for you

Sure.

The nearly $1 trillion stimulus bill that did NOTHING but push unemployment over 10%.  :)

Oh wait, you think Obama didn't spend enough on that. LOL, my bad.  ::)

I criticized it from the beginning so go bitch and moan to someone else

Yet you still blindly worship the people who hammered it through.

Got to laugh at that. Yet ANOTHER catastrophic fuck-up by the Dem party. Seems to be all they're good for.

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2011, 05:31:46 PM »
Sure.

The nearly $1 trillion stimulus bill that did NOTHING but push unemployment over 10%.  :)

Oh wait, you think Obama didn't spend enough on that. LOL, my bad.  ::)

great

show us exactly how the stimulus pushed UE over 10%