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Questions for libertarians / republicans
« on: June 03, 2011, 05:55:39 PM »
Let me first state that I am not trying to say anything negative against libertarians or republicans; I probably identify closer with libertarians than any other party. However, this is a question that I have always wondered about and have had a hard time trying to understand myself...how do you explain the success of the Scandanavian countries, such as Norway, Sweden, and Finland when they are primarily what we would consider socialists countries? For example, they are often ranked highest in the world in terms of standard of living, life expectancy, quality of life, literacy and education, healthcare, and overall happiness. I guess you could say these statistics and rankings are flawed, but they seem to come from a fairly diverse set of sources.

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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2011, 05:58:36 PM »
superior african americans do not live in such countries my friend
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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2011, 06:09:30 PM »
Let me first state that I am not trying to say anything negative against libertarians or republicans; I probably identify closer with libertarians than any other party. However, this is a question that I have always wondered about and have had a hard time trying to understand myself...how do you explain the success of the Scandanavian countries, such as Norway, Sweden, and Finland when they are primarily what we would consider socialists countries? For example, they are often ranked highest in the world in terms of standard of living, life expectancy, quality of life, literacy and education, healthcare, and overall happiness. I guess you could say these statistics and rankings are flawed, but they seem to come from a fairly diverse set of sources.

Well, for one thing, those countries are tiny; they are essentially the equivalent of small states in the US, which was orginally intended to be run on the state level. Their policies would not be able to be implemented on an America wide scale, for 320,000,000 people. I am a libertarian but also not an ideologue, given different circumstances, different things can work. Different social history in those countries as well.
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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2011, 06:10:18 PM »
talking about happiest countries, this came out June 1

http://247wallst.com/2011/06/01/the-happiest-countries-in-the-world/

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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2011, 06:11:51 PM »
Only capitalism can work you heathen!  >:(

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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2011, 06:11:56 PM »
talking about happiest countries, this came out June 1

http://247wallst.com/2011/06/01/the-happiest-countries-in-the-world/

Thanks. I'm suprised to see Israel in the top 10.

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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2011, 06:34:44 PM »
Because Scandianavians are smart and don't go around committing a lot of violent crimes either.

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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2011, 06:41:08 PM »
Let me first state that I am not trying to say anything negative against libertarians or republicans; I probably identify closer with libertarians than any other party. However, this is a question that I have always wondered about and have had a hard time trying to understand myself...how do you explain the success of the Scandanavian countries, such as Norway, Sweden, and Finland when they are primarily what we would consider socialists countries? For example, they are often ranked highest in the world in terms of standard of living, life expectancy, quality of life, literacy and education, healthcare, and overall happiness. I guess you could say these statistics and rankings are flawed, but they seem to come from a fairly diverse set of sources.

enormous taxes, less freedom, a heavily medicated, sick and depressed population.  that's how they pay for their "success"


and they have all slipped in education, and quality of life as well.


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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2011, 06:51:57 PM »
Let me first state that I am not trying to say anything negative against libertarians or republicans; I probably identify closer with libertarians than any other party. However, this is a question that I have always wondered about and have had a hard time trying to understand myself...how do you explain the success of the Scandanavian countries, such as Norway, Sweden, and Finland when they are primarily what we would consider socialists countries? For example, they are often ranked highest in the world in terms of standard of living, life expectancy, quality of life, literacy and education, healthcare, and overall happiness. I guess you could say these statistics and rankings are flawed, but they seem to come from a fairly diverse set of sources.


simple

they are poor

the rankings take into account a lot of factors that avg down for super poor in usa
super ghetto people go into avg of 350mil
if have 4mil people then heh
no problem

usa is far and away richest country thats why people tring to run into usa not out

those countries also severly restrict immigrants because the social handouts are huge adn expensive and huge burden of 1 milion more poor refugees from fucked places like africa

most of those countries are kinda white so you dont have hardcore languagelss sghetto types averaging down


capitalism and the freedom it allows causes explodive economic growth by undoing restrictions on action

it will be only way usa comes back

all the lame union pension need to go sorry







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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2011, 08:01:57 PM »

simple

they are poor

the rankings take into account a lot of factors that avg down for super poor in usa
super ghetto people go into avg of 350mil
if have 4mil people then heh
no problem

usa is far and away richest country thats why people tring to run into usa not out

those countries also severly restrict immigrants because the social handouts are huge adn expensive and huge burden of 1 milion more poor refugees from fucked places like africa

most of those countries are kinda white so you dont have hardcore languagelss sghetto types averaging down


capitalism and the freedom it allows causes explodive economic growth by undoing restrictions on action

it will be only way usa comes back

all the lame union pension need to go sorry








Blah blah blah.

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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2011, 08:05:45 PM »
Let me first state that I am not trying to say anything negative against libertarians or republicans; I probably identify closer with libertarians than any other party. However, this is a question that I have always wondered about and have had a hard time trying to understand myself...how do you explain the success of the Scandanavian countries, such as Norway, Sweden, and Finland when they are primarily what we would consider socialists countries? For example, they are often ranked highest in the world in terms of standard of living, life expectancy, quality of life, literacy and education, healthcare, and overall happiness. I guess you could say these statistics and rankings are flawed, but they seem to come from a fairly diverse set of sources.

very good post, yes it would work here, Obama tried to and is going to get universal health care, and all those other things done, social programs are great for the unfortunate.


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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2011, 08:07:57 PM »

simple

they are poor

the rankings take into account a lot of factors that avg down for super poor in usa
super ghetto people go into avg of 350mil
if have 4mil people then heh
no problem

usa is far and away richest country thats why people tring to run into usa not out

those countries also severly restrict immigrants because the social handouts are huge adn expensive and huge burden of 1 milion more poor refugees from fucked places like africa

most of those countries are kinda white so you dont have hardcore languagelss sghetto types averaging down


capitalism and the freedom it allows causes explodive economic growth by undoing restrictions on action

it will be only way usa comes back

all the lame union pension need to go sorry








unions are what keeps the usa from becoming a 3rd world country.  what idiots some people are, listening to rich repubs that are in with the corporations to hate unions, corporations hate unions because they make them pay the workers a fair wage!  How dare they!

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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2011, 08:28:06 PM »
I can't even comprehend how big of a fu cking idiot you are.

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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2011, 08:54:43 PM »
I can't even comprehend how big of a fu cking idiot you are.

Me?

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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2011, 09:02:04 PM »
Me?

I think he was talking about himself, he spelled fucking wrong LOL

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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2011, 09:05:01 PM »
No, I was talking about that little queer LTL aka jtsunami

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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2011, 09:52:14 PM »

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No, I was talking about that little queer LTL aka jtsunami

Sorry but no,...The labor movement is what gave the United States it middle class after the Depression and WWII...

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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2011, 10:00:08 PM »
Let me first state that I am not trying to say anything negative against libertarians or republicans; I probably identify closer with libertarians than any other party. However, this is a question that I have always wondered about and have had a hard time trying to understand myself...how do you explain the success of the Scandanavian countries, such as Norway, Sweden, and Finland when they are primarily what we would consider socialists countries? For example, they are often ranked highest in the world in terms of standard of living, life expectancy, quality of life, literacy and education, healthcare, and overall happiness. I guess you could say these statistics and rankings are flawed, but they seem to come from a fairly diverse set of sources.

All of these countries countries are extremely lowly populated and count on the US for their defense, pharmaceutical R&D, and tons of other costs.

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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2011, 10:05:36 PM »
Well, for one thing, those countries are tiny; they are essentially the equivalent of small states in the US, which was orginally intended to be run on the state level. Their policies would not be able to be implemented on an America wide scale, for 320,000,000 people. I am a libertarian but also not an ideologue, given different circumstances, different things can work. Different social history in those countries as well.
Somewhat meaningless when taken per capita.  The too large to work nonsense is the antithesis of statistical analytic evidence and usually ends up being nothing but a fallacy which people like you tend to parrot.   ;)

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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2011, 10:14:18 PM »
those countries don't have anywhere near as many black people of wiggs's relatives not on the jewish side

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Re: Questions for libertarians / republicans
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2011, 10:50:15 PM »
Read a lot of people saying things they have obviously never had any experience of in this thread.  

1. Sweden and Norway take in more immigrants than most countries in the world-Sweden has more Iraqi refugees than the entire US.  This is actually a relatively big political issue-a lot of people think we're taking in too many.

2. Education might be slipping a bit by Swedish standards, but it is higher than US...don't know what that person is talking about.  You can go to any so called "slum" here and find plenty of people perfectly capable of putting together grammatically correct sentences(unlike US), who have graduacted highschool and some in college/Uni.  In addition to that, if people aren't going to Uni, we have trade schools here that cater to people whom have a particular interest in something that doesn't require a college degree but still an education.  This is one of Sweden strongest links and is getting even stronger by people now opening up private schools to compliment public.

3. The reason we have made it through the economic crisis so well and the standard of living is further and further increasing is because we have realized that socialism doesn't work and have become more and more foucsed on the whole instead of the "weak."  We haven't had what we define as a socialist party at the head of government for 8 years now.  Now, I still think it is socialist but it is , much more focused on getting people jobs and getting people to start their own businesses than it ever has been.  The amount of help given to people wanting to start their own business is pretty damn great, imo.  What needs to happen here is that we need to protect the business owner more and relieve him/her from unrealistic responsibilites that he/she doesn't have any control over-like sick leave, and parental leave.  There should never be a law stating that you have to a pay a person for work they haven't done.

4.  I don't know where anyone got the opinion that Sweden or Norway is being supported by the US-especially in Pharmaceuticals...AstraZ eneca(one of the world's largest pharma companies) is Swedish.  And in regards to Norway, I don't think they need any economic support-anyone who says this has obviously never been there or even read about it: Norway is always ranked as the second or third richest country in the world, due to its oil reserves.  In regards to militaristic help...don't know why a country that hasn't been in a war in over 150yrs would military help and Norway again needs essentially nothing it can't buy for itself.  Can't speak for Denmark, don't know what they have going on.

Now, what Sweden has a problem with is exactly what the US is going to have a problem with-and that is people abusing their "rights" in regards to sick leave, vacation time, and medical care..etc.  The ability to do this has made a lot of people here helpless and essentially worthless to society. But this got cracked down on a LOT this year by reducing the total amount of sick leave time from indefinite to one year.  In my opinion, the US would benefit much more from state paid education all the way up to the university level than it is going to benefit from universal health care.  Sweden would benefit greatly from getting rid of a lot of their universal health care(maybe not all but the majority), while keeping its state supported education while allowing even more private schools to open up.  Most people aren't cheating/aren't going to cheat the system...they have simply become more and more helpless until every stupid little thing is a problem that needs medical attention.  The motivation to work is not great when the motivation to not work is still as good as it is.