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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #125 on: June 07, 2011, 06:47:31 PM »
Well theres a reason, not everyone likes to pop pills and stick needles to his ass.

yeah that is a good counter point.


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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #126 on: June 07, 2011, 09:43:54 PM »

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« Reply #127 on: June 07, 2011, 11:01:45 PM »
yes ,,you can build quite gfood physiqwe with out hormones,,yes!,,it will not be thick physiqe,,it wil nto be big physiqe ,, it wil be in conditioned physiqe that will give the illusion of more size than it truly is ,,USUALY 15 LB ILLUSION,, yes you will have to have some ingredients that will have to be there inorder to do it,,

1. tann ,,you will have to be on the beach a lot of finish the air spray bottles like a chica in heat,,
2. you will have to never skop a meal ,,you will have no life,,your only work wil be able to be in the gym in the counter,,or maybe bouncer for few hours at night ,,and by bouncer i mean looking at ids...or somethign easy that doewsnt take lots of effort,,
3. you will not be able to ever skip training,, moment you wil do you will not be fogivven like with hormones,,you will just suffer with your look
4. you will have window of opportuinity to take your shirt off and show your nice physiqe with some impressivness ,,,that window of opportuinity will be  5-8 min at the end of your work out when you are pumped...if lean enough ,,with the pump you will look very good,,after that 8 min you are back to flat fella that look like he doesnt work out or look fit and strong or look like he play sports...
5.   you will have to always be caqreful to not look too flat,,yet no matter how much you wil be caqrefull you will ALWAYS LOOK FLAT
6. you will look impressive with your condition yet moment you turn dise ways you will dissapear,,there wil be no thickness to the physiq,, the thickness wil be from temporqry pump and thats it!
7. you will have to take halodrol inorder to get to the next level ,,and halodrol is a drug ,,so you become hormone user...that is still natural
8. the usage of creatine will put such a hole in your pocket and for what? only god knows.. since no matter how good you lok at 180 something ...you still dont look thick ,,you look athletic you look dense if in condition ,,you look muscular and built and ripped...yet not thick lean ,,the impressivness talked about on this boardings we all on none stop is impressivness that has to do with BEING THICK AND LEAN AT THE SAME TIME,, it is nto achivable with out hormones,, and the ones who say they are thick and lean with out hormones LIE,,they may be clean but they are not NATURAL
9. you will be very strong naturaly ,,many naturlas are strong with good physiqe ,,but while you pull down 4 plates each side of the hammer...the210lb fella pull down 3 plates each side and look 20lb of lean tissue bigger and thicker than you ... with same bodyfat...so what exactly oyu achieve ? you look good btu he looks better! this is bodybuildign,,if you are same bodyfat....and you goto 20lb on someone then youre way bigger than that someone ...simple even if his arms are almost the size of yours when he is pumped and you are not ...bodyparrts means nothing,,the over all picture is whos body hold more lean muscle,,and what bodypart mesuere when in the same condition aka not pumped !
10. many years of training mean foundation yes,,but it also mean vry little progress if truly natural ,, it is very hard to get the human body off his wanting to be in status quo and return to it ,, the human body want to have only functional muscle,,if you arre natural ,,truly natural ,,and you dont have exact no life no partying no narcotics type of lie...you wil not advance even a little bit,,true naturals have no life,,they cant have life ,,they lose muscle from any little stress,, they cant be strssed,,they cant do many things that hormonized bodybuilders do ,,its just not worth it and very very few do it truly naturally ,,they usually dont compete ,,and the ones who do compete do it locally and lose befor they learn how to cheat the system with bunk urine test of a friend...inorder to pass as fake natural ,,alwyas been this way ,,always wil be this way ,,

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I started at 18. I am 41 now. I have trained naturally and consistently since 1988 with a couple of 6 month breaks in that time. I'm about 16kg heavier than when I started and have been here for a loooong time! Man - I've tried every training method there is, every type of creatine there is, protein powders, blah, blah, blah......and you know, even now, even at my age when I know better and have done for years, I still kill myself in the gym and think "Hey - shoulders are coming out a bit more" "Hey - arms are getting bigger" - and I know they're really not. Not since I was 23! LOL.

But fuck it. I'm happy where I am. I used to be fat. I'm not fat. Almost everyone I know thinks I'm 'big'. I have a better physique than 90% of the guys my age and young babes still flirt with me. I do so many other sports that blowing up would be counterproductive now.
It is what i choose it to be. I have friends doing cycles and sometimes I get frustrated thinking "fuck - I'm stronger than they are, work out harder and they leave looking blown up, and come back and blow up some more". I would have liked to have doen the same when I was younger, but I didn't, so there's no point complaining now. I'm happy enough where I am.

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #128 on: June 08, 2011, 01:29:56 AM »
really only point to stay natural the first 5 years or so your lifting then get into hormones, no real reason to lift natural your whole life, just is like running on a hamster wheel.




couldn't agree more  ;D , there comes a point /limit where its like trying to fight the tide ..for lack of a better analogy..just to gain a couple GD lbs...its ridiculous and what really sets me off is people saying ohh just workout harder switch it up go harder up the intensity, blah blah like it's going to do a damn thing lol.

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Re: True definition of breaking through a plateau
« Reply #129 on: June 08, 2011, 08:46:06 AM »
  The only way for you to have huge muscles permanently and without jeopardizing your health is with gorilla genetics. A Human will always return to being a Human once steroids are removed, as the steroids changes your entire physiology and makes you synthesize protein beyond what Human genetics allows Human to. A gorilla sits down eating leaves and bark all day with the occasional termites and ants, and yet it carries twice the lean muscle mass of a drugged out pro at 500 lbs, and even at this bodyweight a gorilla has only 5% bodyfat. Now you could argue that getting elephant genetics would be even better, but this is not the case because elephants are too disimilar from Humans, and their genes for size are not compatible with Humans. Gorillas are the answer to all bodybuilders' plights.

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« Reply #130 on: June 08, 2011, 08:49:27 AM »
Numerous times you've stated that "there are no true naturals" in the bodybuilding world (bodybuilding world including those that don't compete).  

Are you stating that one of the following:

1.  That everyone who lifts weights, whether recreationally or more, are on illegal steroids.  and/or
2.  That the act of lifting weights in and of itself increases hormone levels, therefore the person isn't "natural".


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« Reply #131 on: June 08, 2011, 09:01:26 AM »
Numerous times you've stated that "there are no true naturals" in the bodybuilding world.  

Are you stating that one of the following:

1.  That everyone who lifts weights, whether recreationally or more, are on illegal steroids.  and/or
2.  That the act of lifting weights in and of itself increases hormone levels, therefore the person isn't "natural".


gh15 does not have time for this crap.... always the same questions...lollol!
everybody who works out and looks somewhat decent is on drugs , period!
maybe , maybe .000000005 percent of this group is natural. but they do not have a life!
can not skip meals, can not date and do fun stuff, can not is there magic word!

and if your own body makes the test and other hormones... ofcourse it is natural. you answered your own question there...
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Re: True definition of breaking through a plateau
« Reply #132 on: June 08, 2011, 09:02:19 AM »
 The only way for you to have huge muscles permanently and without jeopardizing your health is with gorilla genetics. A Human will always return to being a Human once steroids are removed, as the steroids changes your entire physiology and makes you synthesize protein beyond what Human genetics allows Human to. A gorilla sits down eating leaves and bark all day with the occasional termites and ants, and yet it carries twice the lean muscle mass of a drugged out pro at 500 lbs, and even at this bodyweight a gorilla has only 5% bodyfat. Now you could argue that getting elephant genetics would be even better, but this is not the case because elephants are too disimilar from Humans, and their genes for size are not compatible with Humans. Gorillas are the answer to all bodybuilders' plights.

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Hahahaha... This is the most bizarre post I've ever seen!! WTF are you trying to say?!?  ???

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Re: For GH15
« Reply #133 on: June 08, 2011, 09:06:01 AM »
gh15 does not have time for this crap.... always the same questions...lollol!
everybody who works out and looks somewhat decent is on drugs , period!
maybe , maybe .000000005 percent of this group is natural. but they do not have a life!
can not skip meals, can not date and do fun stuff, can not is there magic word!

and if your own body makes the test and other hormones... ofcourse it is natural. you answered your own question there...


hi gh15

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« Reply #134 on: June 08, 2011, 09:11:53 AM »
gh15 does not have time for this crap.... always the same questions...lollol!
everybody who works out and looks somewhat decent is on drugs , period!
maybe , maybe .000000005 percent of this group is natural. but they do not have a life!
can not skip meals, can not date and do fun stuff, can not is there magic word!

and if your own body makes the test and other hormones... ofcourse it is natural. you answered your own question there...


Then explain his comments that no one is natural?  Or maybe better yet, STFU as you're not him.  This title wasn't "For OptimusPrime" was it?

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« Reply #135 on: June 08, 2011, 09:12:29 AM »
gh15 does not have time for this crap.... always the same questions...lollol!
everybody who works out and looks somewhat decent is on drugs , period!
maybe , maybe .000000005 percent of this group is natural. but they do not have a life!
can not skip meals, can not date and do fun stuff, can not is there magic word!

and if your own body makes the test and other hormones... ofcourse it is natural. you answered your own question there...


I'm a natural. 15 years natural in fact. I travel a lot for my job, date fairly often these days and have a full and enjoyable life. So I'm not quite sure wtf you're on about. Where possible I eat often, where not, I don't. I've no ambitions being on stage or being a mass monster so it doesn't matter. You're not going to shrivel up and shrink away if you don't eat well for a week or two. Yes, I cannot compare with some steroid users but then again, I compare well with 90% of them  :-*

I don't do it to look huge and turn heads, if I wanted that, I'd be sticking needles into myself. I do it for enjoyment and myself.
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« Reply #136 on: June 08, 2011, 09:13:38 AM »
gh15 does not have time for this crap.... always the same questions...lollol!
everybody who works out and looks somewhat decent is on drugs , period!
maybe , maybe .000000005 percent of this group is natural. but they do not have a life!
can not skip meals, can not date and do fun stuff, can not is there magic word!

and if your own body makes the test and other hormones... ofcourse it is natural. you answered your own question there...


Does that mean he's going to get the same cookie cutter answer he always gives?

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« Reply #137 on: June 08, 2011, 09:14:14 AM »
Yeah, i'm natural too.  19 years.

However, this thread isn't about telling one's story.  It is a question for GH15.

Let's go GH..  answer the question.

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« Reply #138 on: June 08, 2011, 09:14:53 AM »
Then explain his comments that no one is natural?  Or maybe better yet, STFU as you're not him.  This title wasn't "For OptimusPrime" was it?

OptimusPrime can answer since he's one of GH15 gimmick accounts.

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« Reply #139 on: June 08, 2011, 09:17:53 AM »
OptimusPrime can answer since he's one of GH15 gimmick accounts.

Perhaps. 

But the punctuation seems better in OP's answers.

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« Reply #140 on: June 08, 2011, 09:32:01 AM »
i am not god of hormones...
there is only one god.

i just read the same questions over and over again.!
and always the same answers as well.
and always the same lies as well, by the same people....

anyone who looks decent is on drugs.
you can built a good physique natural, but not head turning.

coach your a dwarf! hope this helps, and you are , were, and will always be on drugs....


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« Reply #141 on: June 08, 2011, 09:35:37 AM »
Then explain his comments that no one is natural?  Or maybe better yet, STFU as you're not him.  This title wasn't "For OptimusPrime" was it?
well.....
creatine is not natural, glutamine is not, whey is not... etc etc etc..
so calles pro hormones... plain old steroids!
99% of the "naturals use this crap"

individuals who train 5 times a week.
eat only eggs , meat and clean foods.
have no social life.
no long lasting relationships.
probably no kids.

hard to find, and they are the .0000005 % i was talking about.
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« Reply #142 on: June 08, 2011, 09:40:26 AM »
well.....
creatine is not natural, glutamine is not, whey is not... etc etc etc..
so calles pro hormones... plain old steroids!
99% of the "naturals use this crap"

individuals who train 5 times a week.
eat only eggs , meat and clean foods.
have no social life.
no long lasting relationships.
probably no kids.


hard to find, and they are the .0000005 % i was talking about.

You don't need all that crap to have a good physique naturally.  By good physique I don't mean being huge.

And one more thing gh15, what do you know about natural training if all the knowledge you have is on drugs and training on them?

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« Reply #143 on: June 08, 2011, 09:41:30 AM »
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« Reply #144 on: June 08, 2011, 09:42:28 AM »
Why you must be retarded.

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« Reply #145 on: June 08, 2011, 09:47:34 AM »
You don't need all that crap to have a good physique naturally.  By good physique I don't mean being huge.

And one more thing gh15, what do you know about natural training if all the knowledge you have is on drugs and training on them?
once again, do not call me gh15!!!!!
i am not!
 i just happen to agree with a lot that he said.
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lso i never said that you can not built a "good" physique
back on subject, just your definition of "good" physique differs from mine maybe?
a truly natural bb will not look impressive at all!!!
not at 5% and when bulky he or she will look fat...
so when 5% will look extremely small, and when thicker will look fat...



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« Reply #146 on: June 08, 2011, 10:04:07 AM »
once again, do not call me gh15!!!!!
i am not!
 i just happen to agree with a lot that he said.
a
lso i never said that you can not built a "good" physique
back on subject, just your definition of "good" physique differs from mine maybe?
a truly natural bb will not look impressive at all!!!
not at 5% and when bulky he or she will look fat...
so when 5% will look extremely small, and when thicker will look fat...





Probably my definition of a good or impressive physique differs from yours then.
I agree that a true natural looks small with clothes on when lean and can only look big when permabulking (fat).
Maybe you're used to looking at pros, that's why naturals arent impressive to you.

Your posts reek of gh15 though, you were even attacking the coach guy.

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« Reply #147 on: June 08, 2011, 10:10:01 AM »

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« Reply #148 on: June 08, 2011, 10:21:00 AM »
Numerous times you've stated that "there are no true naturals" in the bodybuilding world.  

Are you stating that one of the following:

1.  That everyone who lifts weights, whether recreationally or more, are on illegal steroids.  and/or
2.  That the act of lifting weights in and of itself increases hormone levels, therefore the person isn't "natural".


PM him, idiot.  ::)

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« Reply #149 on: June 08, 2011, 10:36:02 AM »
PM him, idiot.  ::)

Hey, how's this:  Go fuck yourself.

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