Natural bodybuilding goals, let's get real here

[Dr Dutch]

Is that stuff Dr Dutch approved?
On stage it's ALL about illusion, being a midget "helps".

BTW, I saw you at Catherine, you were the man!

Fuck why did you post that. It took years to change my name from Mr Wipper to Dr Dutch.

Years ago there was a talkshow like that with Rob vd Dussen. He really had the IQ of a cauliflower..

[mesmorph78]

I'll start. (Yes I know this guy looks like a metrosexual cum guzzling fruitcake, but i'm just using this pic to prove a point) This is the kind of physique you can expect naturally.

 Any more mass and you'll get soft and bloofy.

 As a natural this is the kind of mass you can shoot for while still being cut.

 

yuo must be kidding...

im 220 and more cut than that guy natural
.... being a natural your goal should be you will be training for life ... took me 10 years to get there doesnt matter if it takes 20 because i plan to train for as lon as i can life....
thats my mindset and its worked for me
Meso

[mass243]

One question for natural beasts here!!!

If you are lean and have your clothes on most of the time when in public (as hopefully we all have), how you deal with the fact that no one knows you train or even do anything other than lay on your couch at home 24/7 ?

Same at the gym.... how you deal with this?

I'm comebacking now and doing my first diet in 'bout 4 or 5 years. Naturally. It sucks 

[Shockwave]

yuo must be kidding...

im 220 and more cut than that guy natural
.... being a natural your goal should be you will be training for life ... took me 10 years to get there doesnt matter if it takes 20 because i plan to train for as lon as i can life....
thats my mindset and its worked for me
Meso

Yeah but no one on here believes youre natural, no one.
Thats why BFRS put "lets be honest, whats achievable naturally?"
If you truely are natural, you have some of those most unbelievable genetics ever.

[mesmorph78]

its not really important if no one beleives I KNOW the truth
its just that simple...  im natural... and always will be... people are entitled to their opinions...
I was simply answering the question of the thread ... based on my experience
meso

[dj181]

One question for natural beasts here!!!

If you are lean and have your clothes on most of the time when in public (as hopefully we all have), how you deal with the fact that no one knows you train or even do anything other than lay on your couch at home 24/7 ?

Same at the gym.... how you deal with this?

I'm comebacking now and doing my first diet in 'bout 4 or 5 years. Naturally. It sucks 

Not all of us train for vain purposes bro What about just being lean and fit while at the same time having very high energy levels?

[gh15]

Another....good guy!  Chris Lee.

YES!,,true natural,, good pupil!,,very very good,,notice the boney hand bones...notice the NATURAL SWOLE TO FORARM ,,when he is pumped he may even look impressive if can pump right ,,
VERY VERY GOOD EXAMPLE,,

gh15 approved

[Shockwave]

its not really important if no one beleives I KNOW the truth
its just that simple...  im natural... and always will be... people are entitled to their opinions...
I was simply answering the question of the thread ... based on my experience
meso

Of course, but the point is, when youre dealing with others, especially on here, and youre trying to give them advice on natural training, but no one believes youre natural, no one is going to listen or take you seriously. Even though you know the truth, youre just wasting youre breath because everyone is simply going to call you a liar, mock you, or ignore you.
Not right, but thats the way it is.

[gh15]

Ivan Nikolov

lol,, hormonized to the capital t!,, including gh and everything else we use,,just cant grow for some reason some fellas bodies just dont want to grow on them its mainly due to them not knowing what they use due to too much bunk product,, look good

gh15 approved

[gh15]

Yeah, if this guy is natural then i'd say his genetics are above average.

far from natural as far as china from americana ,,

gh15 approved

[mass243]

Not all of us train for vain purposes bro What about just being lean and fit while at the same time having very high energy levels?

I guess you're right here, bro.

It's just so frustrating you know... hitting gym 4 times a week, cardio, strict diet... and no one knows.

I try to get over this and just be happy for what I have  

[gh15]

I guess you're right here, bro.

It's just so frustrating you know... hitting gym 4 times a week, cardio, strict diet... and no one knows.

I try to get over this and just be happy for what I have  

it is frastrate,,when you finish work out and go out the gym door with youe bud and a car with 4 girl pass by and they scream from window twar you their nonesense about how they want to eat you and wistle and oh my god comments,,while your natural halodrol bud...they dont think even work out,,

naturals if everything sits right under the sun...will only look good when shirt come off and PUMPED,,even then they better nto turn sideways becuase they will disapear into neverland,,

peterpen gh15 approved

[dj181]

it is frastrate,,when you finish work out and go out the gym door with youe bud and a car with 4 girl pass by and they scream from window twar you their nonesense about how they want to eat you and wistle and oh my god comments,,while your natural halodrol bud...they dont think even work out,,

naturals if everything sits right under the sun...will only look good when shirt come off and PUMPED,,even then they better nto turn sideways becuase they will disapear into neverland,,

peterpen gh15 approved

Yes it's true that naturals lack size and thickness, no doubt about it, but..... when a very fit and very conditioned natural wears a string tank or something similar females can be damn impressed FACT

[JP_RC]

One question for natural beasts here!!!

If you are lean and have your clothes on most of the time when in public (as hopefully we all have), how you deal with the fact that no one knows you train or even do anything other than lay on your couch at home 24/7 ?

Same at the gym.... how you deal with this?

I'm comebacking now and doing my first diet in 'bout 4 or 5 years. Naturally. It sucks 

I don't train for people to notice me in public honestly. Maybe when I started I did, but my mindset has changed.

[mass243]

it is frastrate,,when you finish work out and go out the gym door with youe bud and a car with 4 girl pass by and they scream from window twar you their nonesense about how they want to eat you and wistle and oh my god comments,,while your natural halodrol bud...they dont think even work out,,

naturals if everything sits right under the sun...will only look good when shirt come off and PUMPED,,even then they better nto turn sideways becuase they will disapear into neverland,,

peterpen gh15 approved

Spot on, gh15 !!!

I now try to create mentality of dj181 and be happy with my brutal natural, lean physique  

[no one]

Yes it's true that naturals lack size and thickness, no doubt about it, but..... when a very fit and very conditioned natural wears a string tank or something similar females can be damn impressed FACT

 

not if said natural is standing beside a guy who is 6'ft plus and 225-240 at 6-8%bf. i say 6ft plus at 225-240 6-8% cause on a guy that tall the weight carries well if the bf is right- FACT.

those broads wouldnt even know you exist- but keep posting dreamlike shit like this if it makes you feel better about being 5'5 and 160 pounds. ahahahahahahahahaha

[mesmorph78]

Of course, but the point is, when youre dealing with others, especially on here, and youre trying to give them advice on natural training, but no one believes youre natural, no one is going to listen or take you seriously. Even though you know the truth, youre just wasting youre breath because everyone is simply going to call you a liar, mock you, or ignore you.
Not right, but thats the way it is.

I love training,.. and i will share what i know regardless
people dont believe because they dont think they can achieve what i have or are envious... there are some who believe... i get pms frm time to time... a few people here actually know me in real life..
peple are funny they will believe a faceless gimmick... because its easy but to believe me and work hard for gains over a decade is hard
either way ... I will still share info.... Ive been posting here 7 yrs now my lifts that i claimed were bullshit i posted pics and vids .. size of my arms were called bullshit i posted vids.... people have been accusing me of not being natural since them.. for the most part i take it as a compliment.... and it hasnt stopped me and wont stop me from posting
thanks for your "concern" though
meso

[Jaime]

lol,, hormonized to the capital t!,, including gh and everything else we use,,just cant grow for some reason some fellas bodies just dont want to grow on them its mainly due to them not knowing what they use due to too much bunk product,, look good

gh15 approved

You must have awful genetics if you think that needs hormones.

[tlc]

If you are lean and have your clothes on most of the time when in public (as hopefully we all have), how you deal with the fact that no one knows you train or even do anything other than lay on your couch at home 24/7 ?

That's part of the fun. You take your shirt off and women who've known you for ages suddenly slide off their seats.

[Jaime]

not if said natural is standing beside a guy who is 6'ft plus and 225-240 at 6-8%bf. i say 6ft plus at 225-240 6-8% cause on a guy that tall the weight carries well if the bf is right- FACT.

those broads wouldnt even know you exist- but keep posting dreamlike shit like this if it makes you feel better about being 5'5 and 160 pounds. ahahahahahahahahaha

Women don't give a shit about physiques short of being lean and muscular.

[DroppingPlates]

Fuck why did you post that. It took years to change my name from Mr Wipper to Dr Dutch.

Years ago there was a talkshow like that with Rob vd Dussen. He really had the IQ of a cauliflower..

No need for the name change. This is actually good for your GB reputation. Once Yogi hears about your real identity, he will credit you with 5 blue stars and give you a pro status.

I'll remember Robert for his symmetric physique. Just like in the pro circuit in the nineties you had a lot of good Dutch guys. These days you can count them with one hand  
9 out of 10 times it's a serious disaster when you see a bodybuilder in a talkshow

[Dr Dutch]

Not bad at all in this vid, decent posing. The gyno is such a waste...

Rob runs a gym now I think.

[DroppingPlates]

Not bad at all in this vid, decent posing. The gyno is such a waste...

Rob runs a gym now I think.

Check here to see how many great guys we've had, and compare this with the current generation, it's a sad difference...

All I know is that he was a driving instructor back in the days,

[no one]

Women don't give a shit about physiques short of being lean and muscular.

wrong, dildo. take two guys who look the same and are equally facially attractive and she'll gravitate to the taller one if the is a marked discrepancy in heights.

[Ursus]

300lb bench, 400lb squat 500lb deadlift?

Lke beyond brawn says an average guy maybe 190lbs reasonably lean should achieve these goals or thereabouts in his lifetime