Nasser and Jay

[tweeter]

Never seen this video before. Does anyone know what year it is from?

[Fitness4Life]

I can never get over how light the weights are that these pros use, just don't get it.

[the_swami]

this was from the year 2000 i think, its from Nasser ont he way part 2- a greatly entertaning and informative DVD

[BayGBM]

I can never get over how light the weights are that these pros use, just don't get it.

Simple: it's body building--not powerlifting.

[Fitness4Life]

Simple: it's body building--not powerlifting.

I know it's bodybuilding, it's why they weren't doing power cleans.

I also know that it's like Haney said "stimulate, don't annihilate".
But these pros can stimulate their muscles well, or should be able to with 140lb dumbells instead of the 90s they were using.

Ron Coleman did 200s, but that's just for show.  I doubt he did that kind of weight every week.

[wild willie]

OK......FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME.......WEIGHT USED IN TRAINING IS IRRELEVENT.....FOR CHRIST SAKE....WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFEE......WHY ARE THESE YOUNGSTERS SO SURE THAT EXTREMELY HEAVY POUNDAGE IS NEEDED. ARNOLD NEVER ROWED WITH MORE THAN 185.....HANEY NEVER ROWED WITH MORE THAN 185-225......YATES NEVER INCLINED MORE THAN 405-425.....MANY OTHER PROS USED MORE THAN HIM.....BUT HE HAD THE PEC DEVELOPMENT.

JAY USES HEAVY WEIGHT AT TIMES.....BUT HEAVY FOR HIM....NOT TO BEAT PERSONAL RECORDS IN THE GYM.....MANY TIMES HE SQUATS WITH 405.....BUT HAS OVER 30 INCH QUADS.


ROBBY ROBINSON HAD SENSATIONAL BIS.....HE USED MODERATE WEIGHTS.....JUST A FEW EXAMPLES FOR SOME OF YOU BLOKES THAT STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN POWERLIFTING AND BODYBUILDING.....PLEASE GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS!

[abijahmaniaco]

Simple: it's body building--not powerlifting.

x1,000. there's no reason to. why use stupid weight when you can achieve better stimulation w/ something more moderate? + less risk of injury = no brainer

[Fitness4Life]

OK......FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME.......WEIGHT USED IN TRAINING IS IRRELEVENT.....FOR CHRIST SAKE....WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFEE......WHY ARE THESE YOUNGSTERS SO SURE THAT EXTREMELY HEAVY POUNDAGE IS NEEDED. ARNOLD NEVER ROWED WITH MORE THAN 185.....HANEY NEVER ROWED WITH MORE THAN 185-225......YATES NEVER INCLINED MORE THAN 405-425.....MANY OTHER PROS USED MORE THAN HIM.....BUT HE HAD THE PEC DEVELOPMENT.

JAY USES HEAVY WEIGHT AT TIMES.....BUT HEAVY FOR HIM....NOT TO BEAT PERSONAL RECORDS IN THE GYM.....MANY TIMES HE SQUATS WITH 405.....BUT HAS OVER 30 INCH QUADS.


ROBBY ROBINSON HAD SENSATIONAL BIS.....HE USED MODERATE WEIGHTS.....JUST A FEW EXAMPLES FOR SOME OF YOU BLOKES THAT STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN POWERLIFTING AND BODYBUILDING.....PLEASE GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS!

I can do several sets of 125 dumbells on the flat bench at 10 - 12 reps no problem, bitch weight honestly.  They weren't even doing that! 

If they were doing weight that they could only get 6 reps out of, yeah drop the weight down.  If they can handle it, they should do it.  That's all I'm saying.

[wild willie]

WHY WOULD YOU BRAG ABOUT 125 FOR SEVERAL SETS......BRO......IF YOU HAVE A WORLD CLASS PHYSIQUE......THEN GREAT......EXCELLENT.... OUTSTANDING.....BUT IF YOU ARE SOME GYM RAT IN MIDDLE AMERICA.....AND YOU DON'T HAVE A GREAT PHYSIQUE.....WHAT GOOD IS PRESSING 125 POUND DBS......WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT POUNDAGE SO MUCH.....YOU MUST BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ IN THE MAGS.....IF YOU WANT TO BRAG THAT YOU USE MORE WEIGHT THAN JAY AND NASSER.....YOU BETTER HAVE THEIR SIZE AND DEVELOPMENT.....OTHERWIS E.....YOUR FRIGGIN 125S DON'T MEAN DONKEY DICK.

[abijahmaniaco]

I can do several sets of 125 dumbells on the flat bench at 10 - 12 reps no problem, bitch weight honestly.  They weren't even doing that! 

If they were doing weight that they could only get 6 reps out of, yeah drop the weight down.  If they can handle it, they should do it.  That's all I'm saying.

perhaps you should write these dudes to inform them they've got the wrong idea here.

[Fitness4Life]

WHY WOULD YOU BRAG ABOUT 125 FOR SEVERAL SETS......BRO......IF YOU HAVE A WORLD CLASS PHYSIQUE......THEN GREAT......EXCELLENT.... OUTSTANDING.....BUT IF YOU ARE SOME GYM RAT IN MIDDLE AMERICA.....AND YOU DON'T HAVE A GREAT PHYSIQUE.....WHAT GOOD IS PRESSING 125 POUND DBS......WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT POUNDAGE SO MUCH.....YOU MUST BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ IN THE MAGS.....IF YOU WANT TO BRAG THAT YOU USE MORE WEIGHT THAN JAY AND NASSER.....YOU BETTER HAVE THEIR SIZE AND DEVELOPMENT.....OTHERWIS E.....YOUR FRIGGIN 125S DON'T MEAN DONKEY DICK.

I'm not bragging by any means lol.  I was just using an example, 125 dumbbells is nothing to brag about.
What you read in the magazines is only 15 percent of the truth so no I don't read that crap.  I'm just an advocate of hard work.

Again, if you can lift it, why not.  What you see a lot of times these days are lazyass bodybuilders getting away with doing the least amount of work.
Doing the least amount of work is enough these days, if you're on a heavy cycle, which these fellas are.  

[BayGBM]

I know it's bodybuilding, it's why they weren't doing power cleans.

I also know that it's like Haney said "stimulate, don't annihilate".
But these pros can stimulate their muscles well, or should be able to with 140lb dumbells instead of the 90s they were using.

Ron Coleman did 200s, but that's just for show.  I doubt he did that kind of weight every week.

Why do that (and risk injury) when it's not necessary?  This sport is all about show--not substance.  Remember when your bubble was burst when you found out that many photo shoots involve the use of fake weights?  Now, think about site injections and all the other "untruths" that surround this 'sport'.  Remember, it is all for show!  And there is nothing wrong with that... as long as you realize that is, in fact, what it is.

[kh300]

Same reason why you see guys lifting pussy weights with shit form. Basically these guys could mow their lawns and grow massive legs..well.. as long as their drinking 'gh15 cocktails'

[Fitness4Life]

Why do that (and risk injury) when it's not necessary?  This sport is all about show--not substance.  Remember when your bubble was burst when you found out that many photo shoots involve the use of fake weights?  Now, think about site injections and all the other "untruths" that surround this 'sport'.  Remember, it is all for show!  And there is nothing wrong with that... as long as you realize is, in fact, what it is.

Yeah you're def right about all the fake crap behind it.  shit man, at least lift heavy for the videos!  

What's the end result?  Absolute hard work -  not necessary in bodybuilding, just the doses

[Nirvana]

they can just stand for a few minutes and grow their quads

[dyslexic]

I can never get over how light the weights are that these pros use, just don't get it.

Light weights... heavy cycles.

[hipolito mejia]

I know it's bodybuilding, it's why they weren't doing power cleans.

I also know that it's like Haney said "stimulate, don't annihilate".
But these pros can stimulate their muscles well, or should be able to with 140lb dumbells instead of the 90s they were using.

Ron Coleman did 200s, but that's just for show.  I doubt he did that kind of weight every week.

That's why guys like,Ronnie,Yates and Ferrigno ended up with torn muscles by age 40.....

Again,  is BB, learn from guys like Nubret,Robinson,Labrada,Taylor etc.....

[tlc]

Always baffled me how people can bench and squat similar amounts. I can squat and deadlift  ~400 but I'm damned if I can bench more than 180.

[jon cole]

nasser on the way part 2...(2001)

[Karpaasi]

Yeah, this was from 2000. Boys were getting ready for the Olympia. This was also the time when Nasser's physique began to fade away. He still was able to beat Priest, Ruhl and Cutler and was fifth at the Olympia but you could see that he was a shadow of his former self.

[Montague]

Again, if you can lift it, why not.

Because if you don't have to, then why would you?

[wild willie]

ALL RIGHT.......


HERE WE GO AGAIN......


SOME OF YOU DUDES ARE STILL INTO THE WHOLE HEAVIER IS BETTER AND ALL THAT NONSENSE...


LEE HANEY NEVER DID ANY FORM OF SYNTHOL.....HE TRAINED AND PERFECTED HIS PHYSIQUE THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.....STIMULATE DON'T ANNIHILATE.......SERGE NUBRET ALSO FOLLOWED THIS SYSTEM OF TRAINING......LANCE DREHER ALSO BELIEVED IN MODERATE WEIGHT AND TENSING AND SQUEEZING THE MUSCLES.....TIME UNDER TENSION IF YOU WILL.....I AM GOING TO LET THIS GO....BUT JUST WANT TO GET THE POINT ACROSS THAT MANY CHAMPS USED TO HEAVE WEIGHTS IN THEIR EARLIER YEARS.....THEN THROUGH TRIAL AND ERROR AND SOME MATURATION....IT DAWNED ON THEM THAT FEELING THE MUSCLE WORK WAS KEY.....AND GETTING BLOOD INTO THE MUSCLE WAS ESSENTIAL FOR SIZE......JUST MY .02 HERE.....YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE.....BUT THIS IS THE TRUTH...USE ENOUGH WEIGHT TO GET THE JOB DONE......ALL THE WHILE TRYING TO AVOID INJURIES....IT IS BASICALLY REFERRED TO AS TRAINING SMART.

[rccs]

I know it's bodybuilding, it's why they weren't doing power cleans.

I also know that it's like Haney said "stimulate, don't annihilate".
But these pros can stimulate their muscles well, or should be able to with 140lb dumbells instead of the 90s they were using.

Ron Coleman did 200s, but that's just for show.  I doubt he did that kind of weight every week.

Coleman was a seriuos bber... the others train like pussies compared to him... and his hard training got him 8 olympias and he ended bbing... Coleman was the last bber, now is all about pagent gay escort...

[kh300]

I stay away from discussing training, because it leads to nowhere. One guy spends so much time in the gym doing what he thinks is right. After devoting so much time and attention to this,how would he ever think his method isnt right? The answer is never.

But think about this. grab 2 identical twins for 1 year. Have one bench 135 for whatever reps as long as he's 'feeling' the muscle and pumping blood into it. Then take the other twin and get his bench from 135 to 315. With identical genetics and diets, who do you think will get bigger by the end of that year?

I remember the last time I looked at a bodybuilding mag(I think it was flex) I was reading bout some pros training routine, and all he talked about was getting a pump. Pump this pump that. Turn the page and theres a 2 page add for superpump. coincidence?

These pros all had a base of strength training. And these are the elite when it comes to genetics, training,diet, rest. So stop comparing yourself to Lee Haney. The average gym rat who wants to get big should focus on strength.

And this whole 'avoiding' injury is a crock of shit and you know it! Most of the injuries you see happen during light or warm up sets, or when doing something stupid.

Sorry I just find it amusing someone bases their training on a few elite bodybuilders and what they were doing when they reached their size limit.
Of course 300 lb Jay Cutler isnt going to squat 600 lbs. Thats not his goal anymore.

Ok guys I'm going to take my supplement stack then rep out 1,000 curls with 5lb db's. I'm sure if I pump enough blood in there they'll just blow up.  

[yates fan]

the best bodybuilders,you will find used some serious heavy ass weights,the segment with jay and nasser is only one training session in nasser on the way #2.look at the videos when jay was chasing ronnie,especially on back work,arnold always had an offseason when he trained very heavy,the workouts on the battle videos are all pre-contest,so the athletes shouldnt be as strong,yet a lot of them still are,yes bodybuilding aint powerlifting,in powerlifting all that matters is how much you can squat,bench and deadlift for one rep,also leehaney was plenty stong.