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Sen Jim Webb (D) disgusted at Obama's excuses on Libya
« on: June 17, 2011, 11:00:28 AM »
Congress Achieves Bipartisanship In Mockery Of Obama’s Illegal Libyan War Excuses
Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:52 am Posted by Steven in National


"Call him a uniter, not a divider.  Barack Obama has achieved rare bipartisan agreement in Washington with the strange defense he has offered justifying continuing his illegal war in Libya: We’re not engaged in hostilities.

Obama tried the “These are not the droids you’re looking for” argument. The force is not strong with this one.

    The administration, in a report it reluctantly gave to Congress on Wednesday, said that because the United States is in a supporting role in the NATO-led mission, American forces are not facing the hostilities that would require the president to seek such congressional consent under the War Powers Resolution.

    The 1973 law prohibits the military from being involved in actions for more than 60 days without congressional authorization, plus a 30-day extension. The 60-day deadline passed last month with the White House saying it is in compliance with the law. The 90-day mark is Sunday.

As has been noted by many others plenty of times before, the law doesn’t say anything about needing permission only to lead a mission.  Whether America is leading the mission or whether NATO (which is America anyway) is leading the mission, if Americans are involved in action for more than 90 days, the President needs Congressional approval. Period.

    “We have got drone attacks under way, we’re spending $10 million a day,” Boehner told reporters. “We’re part of an effort to drop bombs on Gadhafi’s compound. It doesn’t pass the straight-face test, in my view, that we’re not in the midst of hostilities.”

    Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., a combat veteran and member of the Armed Services Committee, scoffed at the notion.

    “Spending a billion dollars and dropping bombs on people sounds like hostilities to me,” Webb said in an interview.

    Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., called the claims “really totally bizarre.” Rep. Tom Rooney, R-Fla., said telling Congress and Americans “that this is not a war insults our intelligence. I won’t stand for it and neither will my constituents.”


RINO squishes John McCain and Lindsey Graham are hard at work to provide Obama cover. At this point, I don’t think whatever they pass in the Senate could pass the House, though.  I could be wrong, but last I heard only 26% support action in Libya and the other 74% vote for House members every two years.  That vote passes at the Representatives’ electoral peril.
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Re: Sen Jim Webb (D) disgusted at Obama's excuses on Libya
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2011, 11:06:49 AM »
Its fine.   Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize - so we must all know his heart is in the right pace.     

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Re: Sen Jim Webb (D) disgusted at Obama's excuses on Libya
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2011, 11:15:47 AM »
There's never a war McCain and Graham don't like.  They should just switch parties since they love big government so much. 
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Re: Sen Jim Webb (D) disgusted at Obama's excuses on Libya
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2011, 11:19:41 AM »
Those two are revolting. 

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Re: Sen Jim Webb (D) disgusted at Obama's excuses on Libya
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2011, 11:38:20 AM »
There's never a war McCain and Graham don't like.  They should just switch parties since they love big government so much. 

Didn't the Senate vote 100 to 0 to give Obama power to say yes to teh UN for the NFZ?

Almost half of those votes are repubs.  So it's not a lib thing - it's both parties on this bullshit war (that many getbiggers supported until the official party line changed?)

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Re: Sen Jim Webb (D) disgusted at Obama's excuses on Libya
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2011, 11:40:58 AM »
Didn't the Senate vote 100 to 0 to give Obama power to say yes to teh UN for the NFZ?

Almost half of those votes are repubs.  So it's not a lib thing - it's both parties on this bullshit war (that many getbiggers supported until the official party line changed?)

Stop being a TWAT - #8  BTW


NFZ does not cost $10 Million a day with tomohawks you fool. 

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Re: Sen Jim Webb (D) disgusted at Obama's excuses on Libya
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2011, 11:45:05 AM »
Stop being a TWAT - #8  BTW


NFZ does not cost $10 Million a day with tomohawks you fool.  

Ah, I see.  What was the original cost/definition of NFZ?  I don't think it was clearly defined.  So it means whatever the hell obama says, in order to stop flight capability.

They gave him this check.  You can try to argue "but but but NFZ doesn't mean...>"  all you want.  They gave him the blank check.  WITH NO RESTRICTIONS.

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Re: Sen Jim Webb (D) disgusted at Obama's excuses on Libya
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2011, 11:50:36 AM »
Ah, I see.  What was the original cost/definition of NFZ?  I don't think it was clearly defined.  So it means whatever the hell obama says, in order to stop flight capability.

They gave him this check.  You can try to argue "but but but NFZ doesn't mean...>"  all you want.  They gave him the blank check.  WITH NO RESTRICTIONS.


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What part of that includes sending tomohawk missles to places where there are no planes in sight where the Obama Rebels are getting routed?   



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Re: Sen Jim Webb (D) disgusted at Obama's excuses on Libya
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2011, 11:55:41 AM »
Do you have a link to the definition of the NFZ that congress approved?  Cause one could reason that part of maintaining air supremacy is taking out any troops which could cause trouble by pointing a shoulder rocket at a UN or NATO force aircraft.

Unless you have a link that shows this isn't included, I'd say it's more up to the men in the field to determine what needs to be done. 


Of course, this is how you FEEL.... but what are the FACTS here.  What is the NFZ list of directives, what they can/cannot do to maintain it?

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Re: Sen Jim Webb (D) disgusted at Obama's excuses on Libya
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2011, 11:57:18 AM »
Do you have a link to the definition of the NFZ that congress approved?  Cause one could reason that part of maintaining air supremacy is taking out any troops which could cause trouble by pointing a shoulder rocket at a UN or NATO force aircraft.

Unless you have a link that shows this isn't included, I'd say it's more up to the men in the field to determine what needs to be done. 


Of course, this is how you FEEL.... but what are the FACTS here.  What is the NFZ list of directives, what they can/cannot do to maintain it?

Yeah ok Twat #9, DK, RP, Rand Paul, Webb, Boehner, and bipartisan group disagree with you and are suing obama as we speak.   

Make that#10 - stop being an obama TWAT. 

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Re: Sen Jim Webb (D) disgusted at Obama's excuses on Libya
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2011, 12:03:50 PM »
Yeah ok Twat #9, DK, RP, Rand Paul, Webb, Boehner, and bipartisan group disagree with you and are suing obama as we speak.   

Did Rand Paul vote YES on senate resolution 85 to give obama the NFZ?

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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2011, 12:17:33 PM »
Did Rand Paul vote YES on senate resolution 85 to give obama the NFZ?

NFZ does not inclue spending $10 million a day on tomohawks to fire at people.   


Are you just being stupid on purpose?   

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Re: Sen Jim Webb (D) disgusted at Obama's excuses on Libya
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2011, 12:18:38 PM »
NFZ does not inclue spending $10 million a day on tomohawks to fire at people.   


Are you just being stupid on purpose?   

I saw no limit to $ spending in senate resolution 85.  No limit to engagement either.

They gave his ass a blank check.  face it.  Dumb move on their part.

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Re: Sen Jim Webb (D) disgusted at Obama's excuses on Libya
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2011, 12:21:19 PM »
I saw no limit to $ spending in senate resolution 85.  No limit to engagement either.

They gave his ass a blank check.  face it.  Dumb move on their part.

Funny - 240 - you are making excuses and diversions that even Obama did not make in his response to the congress on the WPA. 

Wonder why that it?   i'll tell you why - because you are full of shit trying to make excuses for obama - like on everything else.     

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Re: Sen Jim Webb (D) disgusted at Obama's excuses on Libya
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2011, 12:28:27 PM »
Funny - 240 - you are making excuses and diversions that even Obama did not make in his response to the congress on the WPA. 

Wonder why that it?   i'll tell you why - because you are full of shit trying to make excuses for obama - like on everything else.     

Excuses?  LOL I said obama wanted nothing more than to kill a shitload of libyans on both sides.  Not exactly honorable not strategic... more of an asshole than anything else.  ;)

My point is that by giving him the blank check, the senators can't yell all that much about it cause they don't want america reminded of SR85 which gave him that blank check.  many repubs WANTED this war - now as more GOP primary voters are anti-war, they're in a tough spot.


Geez, I can't disagree with you without being accused of kneepadding obama.  he has zero war sense and his staff is running this war, for wahtever goals.  but senate was stupid to give him that check.

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Re: Sen Jim Webb (D) disgusted at Obama's excuses on Libya
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2011, 12:30:16 PM »
Excuses?  LOL I said obama wanted nothing more than to kill a shitload of libyans on both sides.  Not exactly honorable not strategic... more of an asshole than anything else.  ;)

My point is that by giving him the blank check, the senators can't yell all that much about it cause they don't want america reminded of SR85 which gave him that blank check.  many repubs WANTED this war - now as more GOP primary voters are anti-war, they're in a tough spot.


Geez, I can't disagree with you without being accused of kneepadding obama.  he has zero war sense and his staff is running this war, for wahtever goals.  but senate was stupid to give him that check.


So we are backing to blaming the GOP again.  Got it.   


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Re: Sen Jim Webb (D) disgusted at Obama's excuses on Libya
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2011, 12:33:46 PM »
So we are backing to blaming the GOP again.  Got it.   

I blame 45 repubs and 55 dems (or whatever the split in senate is) for giving Obama (who they know is a complete clueless dumbass on war) a blank check on the NFZ with the UN.

I don't give a 5 year old the keys to a dump truck, then scream about it when he drives over my mailbox.  I recognize he doesn't have the tools to manage such a situation, and I don't give him the keys ;)  Ask 45 repubs and 55 dems why they trusted Obama's judgment on war in libya ;)

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« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2011, 12:35:32 PM »
I blame 45 repubs and 55 dems (or whatever the split in senate is) for giving Obama (who they know is a complete clueless dumbass on war) a blank check on the NFZ with the UN.

I don't give a 5 year old the keys to a dump truck, then scream about it when he drives over my mailbox.  I recognize he doesn't have the tools to manage such a situation, and I don't give him the keys ;)  Ask 45 repubs and 55 dems why they trusted Obama's judgment on war in libya ;)

do you even know how the WPA Act works?

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Re: Sen Jim Webb (D) disgusted at Obama's excuses on Libya
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2011, 12:41:01 PM »
do you even know how the WPA Act works?

i believe obama is illegally pursuing a war after his number of days# expired.

however, it's like yelling at that 5 year old for driving out of control after I told him he could only drive for 100 feet.

45 senators of the repub variety all knew obama was a clueless tool who couldn't manage the other 2 wars.  but they gave him the green light to start a 3rd (because it served their big money donor war companies lol).

Face it dude - white house and senate both wanted this war - now they're trying to disown it cause it didn't go well.  If kadaffi had died in a week and they were all singing Kum-By-yah now, we'd have 100 senators clamoring for full credit here ;)

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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2011, 12:44:25 PM »
I blame the congress for not reigning in this tyranical mugabe wannabe.   

Give his disastrous record so far, obama should never be given the benefit of the doubt on anything, whether its going to the bathroom, puttingon his shoes, or starting wars.   

he needs to be treated for what he is, a delusional freak show who should be allowed 1 hour of yard time a day, but watched closely the other 23 like a hawk.   

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Re: Sen Jim Webb (D) disgusted at Obama's excuses on Libya
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2011, 12:51:24 PM »
we know obama is completely clueless on wars #1 and #2.

who in their right mind would give him the power to commit men, munitions, and money to a THIRD WAR?

I'm fine with impeaching obama for it - but let's impeach 100 senators at the same time.  They gave the dump truck keys to a 5 year old and told him "you can only speed for 90 days, then we want the keys back...."

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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2011, 12:51:44 PM »
240 - "I am a libertarian"  


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