Was Mike Mentzer alone ?

[hipolito mejia]

Was watching a dvd seminar of Mike Mentzer back in 1998 in Canada ...

While talking about his HIT, he would  criticize the Weider principles and make fun of it, he would say things like "According to Weider more is better" cause Joe only  wanted to make money and "100 dollars are better than one".  lol




He was the only pro, who would go on seminars bashing Arnold too,  "Arnold likes to say If you train hard you eventually will get there" you know how many people has failed following Arnolds bodybuilding advices? every Failure! ".

Well, last week was the 10th anniversary of his passing ...



was he alone on his quest to proof that Both Arnold and Joe were selling "dreams" and nothing more?.

[Dr Dutch]

 

[wes]

Yes he was..........built his main bulk on high volume for decades, and lots of gear.

[The_Iron_Disciple]

Yes he was..........built his main bulk on high volume for decades, and lots of gear.

THIS !


Took the words right out of my mouth, Wes.

[Dr Dutch]

Yes he was..........built his main bulk on high volume for decades, and lots of gear.

He called his volume "warm up sets"...those didn't count.

[hipolito mejia]

Here's some of it, Fast forward to 1:12

[wes]

He called his volume "warm up sets"...those didn't count.

I mean since he was a kid and long before he met Arthur Jones......he was very big from training the traditional high volume way.

[JP_RC]

He was truthful about some things, but for some reason bitter towards Arnold & Weider apparently. 
And yes his training advices when he retired were crazy.

[Doug_Steele]

He was truthful about some things, but for some reason bitter towards Arnold & Weider apparently. 
And yes his training advices when he retired were crazy.

Most people that used his training method just got injured. 

[loco]

was he alone on his quest to proof that Both Arnold and Joe were selling "dreams" and nothing more?.

No, Mike Mentzer was not alone.  There were also Arthur Jones, Casey Viator, Sergio Oliva and Dorian Yates.  

[wes]

He was truthful about some things, but for some reason bitter towards Arnold & Weider apparently. 
And yes his training advices when he retired were crazy.

Exactly,and everyone who went against his dogma was wrong no matter how great they looked.

[biff]

was he alone on his quest to proof that Both Arnold and Joe were selling "dreams" and nothing more?.

what makes you think he wasnt doing the same?

"have your best body evr by working out 20 minutes a week, eat -whatever- because calories are calories and protein is overrated!"

weiders had the lockdown on volume training...in order to break into BB money they needed something different to get attention.

and dorian worked out 4 times a week, something mentzer was against, at least in his crazed later years. dorian also did a body part split, not the fullbody workouts jones advocated.

funny how any mention of HIT failures is never because it sucks, its because the trainee wasnt 'tough enough' or some such nonsense.

[#1 Klaus fan]

The guy on Mentzer's HIT workout movie is still struggling to deadlift 405. 

[pellius]

Most people that used his training method just got injured. 

I always hear this but it is just patently wrong. Although I've injured virtually every part of my body beginning from my big toe, ankle, calf, knee... all the way to my skull I have never ever injure myself training with weights and I've been using and following the general principles of Jones and Mentzer for 30 years.

Explosive movements and sloppy form will injure you no matter what training protocol you follow. In fact, provided you don't compromise form, you are less likely to injure yourself as the set progresses and gets more difficult. Though intensity increases with each succeeding rep force output is reduced. You get weaker with each rep until you can no longer complete another one. 

With explosive movements: Take your fist and press it against a brick wall as hard as you can.
No matter how hard you press you won't injure yourself. Now give that brick wall a good punch.
 

[tbombz]

ya but explosive is fine so long as its controlled with good form.

 in fact explosive is the way every positive contraction should be executed, with every negative being slow. but this is common knowledge i  thought?

[wes]

ya but explosive is fine so long as its controlled with good form.

 in fact explosive is the way every positive contraction should be executed, with every negative being slow. but this is common knowledge i  thought?

We actually are in agreement dude!!

Totally fucking shocking!!

[tbombz]

We actually are in agreement dude!!

Totally fucking shocking!!

[funk51]

mentzer at 19 long before he bucked the system to make more bucks. coe said mentzer  made over a million dollars the year that he died.contoversy creates cash.

[wes]

Thank you for clarifying my point funk 51.

[FullROM]

Reminder,  what's HIT?

[Doug_Steele]

Reminder,  what's HIT?

Not sure if serious?

[mass243]

Yes,

Arnold was/is probably prime example of kind of person that you can buy by promising him enough in return (money, power etc.)
He is a kind of person that ignores his own principles if someone give him benefits for talking the other way.
Your typical nothingness-politician; preaching the words of the one who pays the bills  

And yep, it worked for him. It made him rich compared to average people.
But in the end, one Russian is cruising the seas of the world in a private boat more expensive than Arnold has ever made in his lifetime...

[el numero uno]

It is true Mentzer was addicted to heroin or something?

[Jadeveon Clowney]

Mike was addicted to coke zero.  THe aspartame fucked his head up somethign wicked.

[jwb]

It is true Mentzer was addicted to heroin or something?

Meth