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Paranoid anti-religious extremists at it again.  Bunch of friggin crybabies.   ::)

New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 Victims

By Todd Starnes
Published June 21, 2011
FoxNews.com

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New York Atheists are calling for the removal of this street sign, dedicated to fallen 9/11 firefighters because of the use of the word "Heaven."

A group of New York City atheists is demanding that the city remove a street sign honoring seven firefighters killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks because they say the sign violates the separation of church and state.

The street, “Seven in Heaven Way,” was officially dedicated last weekend in Brooklyn outside the firehouse where the firefighters once served. The ceremony was attended by dozens of firefighters, city leaders and widows of the fallen men.

“There should be no signage or displays of religious nature in the public domain,” said Ken Bronstein, president of New York City Atheists. “It’s really insulting to us.” Bronstein told Fox News Radio that his organization was especially concerned with the use of the word “heaven.” “We’ve concluded as atheists there is no heaven and there’s no hell,” he said.

“And it’s a totally religious statement. It’s a question of separation of church and state.” He was nonplussed over how his opposition to the street sign might be perceived – especially since the sign is honoring fallen heroes. “It’s irrelevant who it’s for,” Bronstein said. “We think this is a very bad thing,” 

David Silverman, president of American Atheists, agreed calling on the city to remove the sign. “It implies that heaven actually exists,” Silverman told Fox News Radio.

“People died in 9/11, but they were all people who died, not just Christians. Heaven is a specifically Christian place. For the city to come up and say all those heroes are in heaven now, it’s not appropriate.”

“All memorials for fallen heroes should celebrate the diversity of our country and should be secular in nature. These heroes might have been Jews, they might have been atheists, I don’t know, but either way it’s wrong for the city to say they’re in heaven. It’s preachy.”

City leaders seemed dumbfounded by the atheists’ outrage because no one complained about the sign as it was going through a public approval process. “It’s unfortunate that they didn’t raise this as an issue while it was undergoing its public review either at the community board level or when it came before the City Council on their public agenda,” said Craig Hammerman, the district manager for Brooklyn Community Board 6.

Hammerman told Fox News Radio that the community was “solidly behind this proposal. Not a single person stood up to speak out against it. I think it’s a little late in the process for someone to be bringing this up now.”

“When you think you’ve heard it all, you haven’t,” Brooklyn Borough President Marty Markowitz told Fox News Radio. “These seven brave souls who put their lives on the line and ultimately gave up the most precious gift that could be given, believe me are in heaven for serving us so admirably,” he said.

Criticism of the sign brought condemnation from Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission.

“There are cities that have religious connotations in their names, why not a street,” Land said. “Do they want us to rename Los Angeles, Corpus Christi, and St. Joseph?”

He added, “In a country where 85 percent of the people say they are Christian or claim to be Christian, should it be surprising that you name cities and streets with religious terminology.”

Silverman said he would not be surprised if atheists are vilified for their criticism of the street sign – suggesting they were simply being patriotic. “If we’re opposed to this sign, we’re somehow opposed to honoring the heroes,” he said. “The attacks on 9/11 were an attack on America. They were an attack on our Constitution and breaking that Constitution to honor these firefighters is the wrong thing to do.

“The patriotic and right thing to do is to obey our own law and to realize that we are a diverse nation, a melting pot full of different views,” Silverman added. The local and national atheist organizations said they’ve offered alternative names that would still honor the firefighters, but without any religious affiliation.

Bronstein suggested they call the street, “We Remember The Seven – 9/11.” He said that would be “more appropriate.”

But the city has no intention of removing the sign. If that’s the case, Bronstein said he may consider a lawsuit.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/21/new-york-atheists-angry-over-heaven-street-sign-honoring-11victims/

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why give such a small fringe group any attention at all  ???

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“There should be no signage or displays of religious nature in the public domain,” said Ken Bronstein, president of New York City Atheists. “It’s really insulting to us.”

It has nothing to do w/them.......I wonder why they feel it is "insulting" to them?


Bronstein told Fox News Radio that his organization was especially concerned with the use of the word “heaven.” “We’ve concluded as atheists there is no heaven and there’s no hell,” he said.


If that is what they have concluded why would they even care?

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“All memorials for fallen heroes should celebrate the diversity of our country and should be secular in nature. These heroes might have been Jews


Jews don't believe in heaven?



realize that we are a diverse nation, a melting pot full of different views,” Silverman added.



lol yeah.
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Jews don't believe in heaven?
I don't know much about this but it sounds like it might be different:  Christians seem to have a pretty strong belief of what happens after death but from this, it looks like Jews spend more time trying to figure it out.

Do Jews believe in Heaven and Hell?

Among Jews there is certainly endless speculation about what happens after death, but, as with most anything concerning the future, Judaism offers no certainty.The notion that if one obeys God's commands, then one is rewarded, and if not, one is punished, is a much more nuanced concept across the spectrum of Jewish thought. Over the millennia the idea of Olam Ha-Ba, the World to Come, has been developed in rabbinic thought. That the world to come is some sort of destination is clear; but what happens there?What do we do there?Some see it as a true "address," the place where we will arrive.But for others it is a concept, the result of resting in peace

http://www.patheos.com/Find/Answers-to-Frequently-Asked-Religion-Questions/Do-Jews-believe-in-Heaven-and-Hell.html

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It has nothing to do w/them.......I wonder why they feel it is "insulting" to them?


If that is what they have concluded why would they even care?



Even if it is insulting to a handful of paranoid crybabies, who cares?  You would think those people could put their time to much better use.
   


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Jews don't believe in heaven?

lol yeah.

Full of different viewpoints, and it's ok to express them, so long as you agree with those folks. 

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Atheist Group Files Lawsuit Against Display of WTC Cross at 9/11 Memorial

Published July 27, 2011

July 23: The World Trade Center Cross, made of intersecting steel beams found in the rubble of buildings destroyed in the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center, is raised by a crane before being transported and lowered into an opening in the World Trade Center site below ground level where it will become part of the permanent installation exhibit in the 9/11 Memorial and Museum.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/27/atheist-group-files-lawsuit-against-display-wtc-cross-at-11-memorial/#ixzz1TKukgYq2

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A group of atheists has filed a lawsuit claiming the display of the World Trade Center cross at the 9/11 memorial in lower Manhattan is unconstitutional, calling it a "mingling of church and state."

The American Atheists, which advocates an "absolute separation" of government and religion, filed the lawsuit Monday to stop the display of the cross, arguing that it should not be included if "no other religions or philosophies will be honored," according to a statement on the group's website.

The cross, which consists of two intersecting steel beams that were found intact in the rubble at Ground Zero, was initially constructed on a side of a church in lower Manhattan. The cross was then placed inside the 9/11 Memorial Museum during a ceremony over the weekend. 

"The WTC cross has become a Christian icon. It has been blessed by so-called holy men and presented as a reminder that their god, who couldn't be bothered to stop the Muslim terrorists or prevent 3,000 people from being killed in his name, cared only enough to bestow upon us some rubble that resembles a cross," the group's president, Dave Silverman, said in a press release. "It's a truly ridiculous assertion."

But museum organizers say the cross, which is a symbol of hope for many, should have a place at the memorial.   

The cross is "an important part of our commitment to bring back the authentic physical reminders that tell the history of 9/11 in a way nothing else could," 9/11 Memorial president Joe Daniels said Saturday, the Christian Post reports.

"Its return is a symbol of the progress on the Memorial and Museum that we feel rather than see, reminding us that commemoration is at the heart of our mission," Daniels reportedly said.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/27/atheist-group-files-lawsuit-against-display-wtc-cross-at-11-memorial/

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I thought the museum was private property?  Or is it owned by the public?

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goodness gracious these ppl need a lives...

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That's alright, religious people act like they have sand in their twats when atheists want to take something about god off a public building. 

So BFD. 

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I thought the museum was private property?  Or is it owned by the public?

Has to be public property, or it wouldn't be an issue. 

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Hey Bum - unless those firefighters were born again christians aren't they all in hell (at least according to what most evangelicals believe)

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