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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #100 on: June 25, 2011, 06:17:21 PM »
I'm using masteron prop 150mg mwf along with 250 mg of sustanon once a week. I'm trying to drop some bf and lean up. The masteron has really added some nice aggression. I don't think it works as well as an ai though. I've seen bloodwork from people using masteron as an ai. At the end of a cycle a guy I know had his testerone estrogen ratio checked. His estrogen was out of range. Maybe not as high as it would be without the masteron but it didn't do the job that he thought it would. I still get very minor bloat a few days after my sustanon injection. The bloat is mostly in my face. My eyes look like there sunken in a little bit. I'm very sensitive to test problalby cause my bodyfat is around 14-16 %  I've been on a diet/doing cardio for the last few months to really get the bodyfat down. I'm gonna increase the test dose and add dbol once Im sub 10



No one with a working understanding of basic biochemistry would ever recommend masteron as an anti-estrogen, unless better alternatives are not available.

I would say arimidex killed it's use for that purpose, and arimidex is even outdated...

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #101 on: June 25, 2011, 06:19:02 PM »
I used 12.5 mg every day all last week. I looked so flat. I didn't like it. I stopped it for a few days and I filled back out. Maybe I need to dose it eod.

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #102 on: June 25, 2011, 06:19:58 PM »
aromasin or arimidex ?

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #103 on: June 25, 2011, 06:20:35 PM »
No one with a working understanding of basic biochemistry would ever recommend masteron as an anti-estrogen, unless better alternatives are not available.

I would say arimidex killed it's use for that purpose, and arimidex is even outdated...

funny lol i placeed in the 90s very very high and used masterona ...

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #104 on: June 25, 2011, 06:21:39 PM »

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #105 on: June 25, 2011, 06:24:09 PM »
lol,, why do you friends think that all the wanna bes 240-250lb in gym that look 8% and all mr city gym ...all of them disapear to nowhereless when they get into prep mode? lol becauese of this damn fuckin balonie anti estrogen anti aromataze over doing the shit ot of it and getting flat,, an getting water out from within the muscle and between skin and muscle and lose tons of size which ofcourse wasnt theirs to begin with but some wat!,, the best way as i always say is to NOT COUNT ON ANTI AROMATAZE..unless you want ot place 15th in nationals and never get anywhere...and this is in the good case lol

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #106 on: June 25, 2011, 06:31:18 PM »
lol,, why do you friends think that all the wanna bes 240-250lb in gym that look 8% and all mr city gym ...all of them disapear to nowhereless when they get into prep mode? lol becauese of this damn fuckin balonie anti estrogen anti aromataze over doing the shit ot of it and getting flat,, an getting water out from within the muscle and between skin and muscle and lose tons of size which ofcourse wasnt theirs to begin with but some wat!,, the best way as i always say is to NOT COUNT ON ANTI AROMATAZE..unless you want ot place 15th in nationals and never get anywhere...and this is in the good case lol

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I think that's why It's so important to start lean. When you do get a little bit of water weight it doesn't look bad. It just fills you out more. All of your posts have motivated me to get my ass lean before I jump onto anything heavy.

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #107 on: June 25, 2011, 06:41:50 PM »
gh15,

When do you think fat burners/stimulants such as ephedrine and T3 should come into play ?

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #108 on: June 25, 2011, 06:43:27 PM »
I think that's why It's so important to start lean. When you do get a little bit of water weight it doesn't look bad. It just fills you out more. All of your posts have motivated me to get my ass lean before I jump onto anything heavy.

Pretty important point actually. Estrogen is synthesized in fatty tissues, thus the leaner you are the less estrogen you will naturally produce.

HOWEVER, it is your liver which produces aromatase and this in turn produces estrogen. Circulating amounts of aromatase will create problems for you if you take aromatizing compounds and are prone to gyno, lean or not. Thus an AI (preferably suicide AI) will be needed to prevent or treat gyno, regardless of bodyfat levels.

GH15 is right that masteron may be "all you need" depending on a few factors.

Since it is usually used pre-contest, it's assumed you will be on very low levels of test and thus a strong AI is probably not needed.

He has NEVER said masteron will be enough if running a heavy cycle, and I challenge him to say it would be enough to keep estrogen low taking say a gram of test and 400mgs weekly of deca as a bulker.

As always gh15 spouts random shit as fact but never bothers telling the whole story. It's either laziness or he just doesn't know, but either way there are times when masteron would be enough and times when you need more. Treating existing gyno, letrozole and nolvadex followed by 12.5mgs aromasin ed, 25 if running a gram of test a week or more, will work for most people.

If you don't have issues with gyno, don't take an AI unless needed. Keep nolvadex handy in case you need emergency treatment and run short esters in order to more easily control blood levels and mitigate unwanted side effects.

Pretty simple really, but there is no catch all "just do this 100% of the time and it's true because i say so" unfortunately.


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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #109 on: June 25, 2011, 06:51:06 PM »
nothing is random ,, i just not going to sit here write to the t every posting exactly what i said few weeks back ,, i cant do this all the time its not possible,, fellas shoudl read the bible ,, also im right now on the movie thread and im havign fun ,, thank you and good luck lol let me fuckin play ,,

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #110 on: June 25, 2011, 07:05:13 PM »
Pretty important point actually. Estrogen is synthesized in fatty tissues, thus the leaner you are the less estrogen you will naturally produce.

HOWEVER, it is your liver which produces aromatase and this in turn produces estrogen. Circulating amounts of aromatase will create problems for you if you take aromatizing compounds and are prone to gyno, lean or not. Thus an AI (preferably suicide AI) will be needed to prevent or treat gyno, regardless of bodyfat levels.

GH15 is right that masteron may be "all you need" depending on a few factors.

Since it is usually used pre-contest, it's assumed you will be on very low levels of test and thus a strong AI is probably not needed.

He has NEVER said masteron will be enough if running a heavy cycle, and I challenge him to say it would be enough to keep estrogen low taking say a gram of test and 400mgs weekly of deca as a bulker.

As always gh15 spouts random shit as fact but never bothers telling the whole story. It's either laziness or he just doesn't know, but either way there are times when masteron would be enough and times when you need more. Treating existing gyno, letrozole and nolvadex followed by 12.5mgs aromasin ed, 25 if running a gram of test a week or more, will work for most people.

If you don't have issues with gyno, don't take an AI unless needed. Keep nolvadex handy in case you need emergency treatment and run short esters in order to more easily control blood levels and mitigate unwanted side effects.

Pretty simple really, but there is no catch all "just do this 100% of the time and it's true because i say so" unfortunately.



Were you not saying drol was a progesterone earlier ?

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #111 on: June 25, 2011, 07:05:51 PM »
id prefer oxycodone.


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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #112 on: June 25, 2011, 07:29:51 PM »
id prefer oxycodone.



naaahhhh....Nubain is much better! Loved that stuff

Anadrol is the SHIT!!!  Got stong as fuck but held a shit load of water, but I was big! Used it with Sos, Deca and Tren and slin. That shit pushed me to over 250lbs!

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #113 on: June 25, 2011, 07:38:59 PM »
naaahhhh....Nubain is much better! Loved that stuff

Anadrol is the SHIT!!!  Got stong as fuck but held a shit load of water, but I was big! Used it with Sos, Deca and Tren and slin. That shit pushed me to over 250lbs!

Nubain was never available to me. I would have loved to try it but probably lucky I didn't.

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #114 on: June 25, 2011, 07:54:28 PM »
You're so wrong you don't even know it, Liv 52 is amazing, at least amazing enough that all my friends that compete and that are pro's use it religiously.
x2 William LLewellyn endorses it. suggests it with every cycle.

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #115 on: June 25, 2011, 08:59:28 PM »
gh15,

When do you think fat burners/stimulants such as ephedrine and T3 should come into play ?
Maybe when you are fat?  ;D

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #116 on: June 25, 2011, 11:07:38 PM »
Were you not saying drol was a progesterone earlier ?

I swear I have read that before, but did some reading and it is apparently not. I understand it is a derivative of DHT, and as it does not convert to estrogen I assumed gyno resulting from it would then have to be proggy gyno, but I appear to be wrong. Most likely it somehow sensitizes estrogen receptors, which would explain why guys get gyno from it after the cycle, sometimes weeks later. Which is why I suggested running some letro for a week or two prior to starting the cycle as well as for a full week after cessation. I wonder if nolvadex might work better, possibly running 10-20mgs during the cycle, but as nolvadex kills GH production and isnt advised to run with GH, I am not sure many would want to do that. A good AI sounds better. Gotta watch out for estrogen rebound however. I think a drol cycle would require some decent planning.

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #117 on: June 25, 2011, 11:53:13 PM »
so, lets see how you beasts look while loaded on anapolon. ::)

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #118 on: June 26, 2011, 01:05:49 AM »
I swear I have read that before, but did some reading and it is apparently not. I understand it is a derivative of DHT, and as it does not convert to estrogen I assumed gyno resulting from it would then have to be proggy gyno, but I appear to be wrong. Most likely it somehow sensitizes estrogen receptors, which would explain why guys get gyno from it after the cycle, sometimes weeks later. Which is why I suggested running some letro for a week or two prior to starting the cycle as well as for a full week after cessation. I wonder if nolvadex might work better, possibly running 10-20mgs during the cycle, but as nolvadex kills GH production and isnt advised to run with GH, I am not sure many would want to do that. A good AI sounds better. Gotta watch out for estrogen rebound however. I think a drol cycle would require some decent planning.
I Was only giving you shit mate  :D - I like reading your posts, very informative on how certain hormones react inside the body.  ;)

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #119 on: June 26, 2011, 10:57:20 AM »
funny lol i placeed in the 90s very very high and used masterona ...

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serva syntex, the original producer of pharma grade drostanolon prop aka "masteron" had the anti-estrogen thing written on the package slip

so belive gh15, he s right as he is most of the times

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #120 on: June 26, 2011, 11:31:25 AM »
question for u guys

is anadrol more liver toxic or dbol??? some say anadrol

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #121 on: June 26, 2011, 11:58:55 AM »
Maybe when you are fat?  ;D

i use ephedrine for energy purposes  ;)

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #122 on: June 26, 2011, 12:28:32 PM »
For some mysterious reason this one didn't sell at all in Holland.....(Dutch inside joke)


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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #123 on: June 26, 2011, 01:05:26 PM »
Had an old bottle laying around.  I used it back in 88' when I had anemia.

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Re: All of a sudden everyone uses anadrol.
« Reply #124 on: June 26, 2011, 02:58:23 PM »
Oxymetholone is certainly more toxic than dbol and is also used in higher dosages. You hear about guys running 100-150mgs ed of drol all the time, but rarely doses of dbol approaching even half that much. If your dbol is legit, 20-30mgs ed is PLENTY. The upper range approaches 100mgs ed, but that is suicide for most.