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The Looming ObamaCare Disaster - You ain’t seen nothing yet.
Human Events ^ | 06/21/2011 | John Hayward


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PricewaterhouseCoopers, a professional services firm created in a merger that destroyed several spaces and capital letters, has just issued their forecast for the future of America under ObamaCare. The Heritage Foundation provides a summary of the results. It’s not pretty.

The important thing to remember about ObamaCare is that the past two years have been its salad days. The really hideous damage is still on the way. Thousands of jobs destroyed, health care costs rising, rampant corruption through the waiver program… and it’s just getting warmed up. This baby hasn’t even popped out of first gear yet.

What does PricewaterhouseCoopers see ahead for us? Health care costs continue to rise at an accelerating pace, from a 7.5% increase in 2010 to 8.5% in 2012. As Heritage’s Margot Crouch notes, this is the exact opposite of the promises made by President Obama.

But wait, that’s not all! “Even steeper rises in the cost of private insurance are possible, due to ObamaCare’s reductions in Medicare payment rates and its expansion of the Medicaid program,” warns Crouch. That’s because private parties have to make up the difference when those programs pay less.

The chief actuary of Medicare thinks “15 percent of hospitals, skilled nursing facilities, and home health agencies” will become unprofitable by 2019. What happens to unprofitable businesses again? I mean, after all the bailouts have been exhausted? What will the health care industry look like in eight years, when at least fifteen percent of the providers are gone?

The really awful news is PWC’s projection of employer reaction to ObamaCare’s crushing mandates. Their survey shows “nearly half of employers will drop their coverage, dumping employees into the government-run exchanges.” Also, “four out of five employers will make changes to help cover new costs under ObamaCare, including raising premiums, deductibles, and co-payments.”

So much for “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan.” The tidal wave of people slamming into the federal exchanges will become a nuclear deficit explosion. We’ll all be able to look back at the charlatans who claimed ObamaCare would be deficit-neutral, and the simpletons who believed them, and laugh through our tears.

“The negative consequences of ObamaCare’s changes will be threefold: higher costs for those with employer-sponsored coverage; a greater debt burden on current and future taxpayers; and slower growth in job creation and the overall economy,” Crouch concludes. In other words, precisely the things ObamaCare critics said would happen. ObamaCare critics will go down in history as the most thoroughly vindicated group to ever pick up a keyboard.

Remember that every single politician who opposes the complete repeal of ObamaCare is willfully and knowingly condemning you to the future PricewaterhouseCoopers projects. Ignorance and fantasy are no longer excuses, and never should have been.

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when you post an article try to make the effort to post a link to

the one sentence you've highlighted is

"The chief actuary of Medicare thinks “15 percent of hospitals, skilled nursing facilities, and home health agencies” will become unprofitable by 2019"

where does the chief actuary say this is caused by the healthcare legislation?

I see a bunch of conjecture by someone from the Heritage Foundation

Find the source of the story and some links and then we can talk about it


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Chief Medicare Actuary: White House Health Savings Estimates 'Not Meaningful,' Give Inaccurate Picture
RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR | 09/13/10 09:27 PM | 


WASHINGTON — When a government report found that President Barack Obama's health overhaul would modestly raise the nation's total health care tab, the White House responded with a statistic suggesting costs would go down. It turns out that may be fuzzy math.

Health reform director Nancy-Ann DeParle wrote on the White House blog last week that the same government report indicates spending per insured person will be more than $1,000 lower in 2019 because of the law – some 9 percent below previous projections.

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"The act will make health care more affordable for Americans," DeParle said.

But the head of the nonpartisan economic unit at Medicare that produced the original cost report says the White House number "does not provide a meaningful or accurate indication" of the effect of the health care law.

"The amounts quoted in the White House blog are not meaningful and cannot be used to calculate the change in health expenditures per insured person," Richard Foster, Medicare's chief actuary, told The Associated Press.

The Obama administration stands by its statistic


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/13/white-house-health-savings-not-meaningful_n_715626.html


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333 - why didn't you post the entire story

here's the part you left off


It's a dispute about numbers and how they're bandied about by powerful people in Washington.

But you don't need an economics degree to follow this one. All you have to do is remember your fractions.

The health care law expands coverage, reducing the number of uninsured by more than 32 million, although about 24 million will remain without coverage.

Still, the share of the population with insurance will go up by nearly 10 percentage points, to about 93 percent. And that makes a difference in the numbers.

If you divide total national health care spending by a bigger number of insured people, you get a smaller per-person result.

It's an interesting statistic, but it doesn't mean the problem of rising costs is solved.

"It's not that it's false, it's just that it will be a little misleading," John Allen Paulos, a mathematics professor at Temple University in Philadelphia, said of the White House number, calling it an "apples-to-oranges miscomparison."

Consider an imaginary country with just three citizens, Peter, Paul and Mary. Peter has health coverage but Paul and Mary are uninsured. Peter spends $1,000 on health care, but Paul and Mary can only afford $500 apiece because they lack coverage. Total national spending: $2,000. National spending per insured person: $2,000.

Now suppose a law gets passed to expand coverage. Paul gets insurance, but Mary remains uninsured. Now Peter and Paul are spending $1,000 apiece. Paul spends more than when he was uninsured, so total national health spending goes up to $2,500.

But because more people are covered, spending per insured person goes down to $1,250.

It's a simplistic comparison, but would you call that a savings?

Paulos said it would make more sense to first figure out the share of total national health care spending by people with health insurance, and then divide that result by the number of insured people – before and after the health care law.

The government hasn't run that calculation.

Richard Kronick, a senior Health and Human Services official, said the Obama administration disagrees that its number is misleading.

"There are a number of ways to evaluate health care spending and the new law," said Kronick. "Examining spending on each individual with health insurance is one useful data point."

National health care spending is a kitchen-sink statistic that includes personal health costs of the insured as well as the uninsured, and such categories as research and development and medical infrastructure. In 2019, when the overhaul is fully phased in, the tab will be $4.6 trillion.

Foster says it's acceptable to divide the number by the total U.S. population. In that case, per capita spending would $13,652 as a result of the law, and $13,387 without it.

The difference: just $265 per person more.

Paulos, the mathematician, said that sounds like a bargain to him. "It's a relatively small cost given that 30 million more people will be covered," he said. "You don't really need this kind of apples to oranges miscomparison."


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Yeah 30 million more via an unconstitutional mandate to buy insurance from private arriers with ZERO cost controls or market forces to keep costs down. 

Fuck you and your obama kneepadding. 

He could give you a golden shower daily and you would beg for more.   


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Yeah 30 million more via an unconstitutional mandate to buy insurance from private arriers with ZERO cost controls or market forces to keep costs down. 

Fuck you and your obama kneepadding. 

He could give you a golden shower daily and you would beg for more.   



zero cost controls?

unconstitutional?


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zero cost controls?

unconstitutional?



Yes!   

Tell me the cost controls to where carriers cant charge whatever the hell they want now that the IRS has its hands in this? 

Also - tell me where the govt gets the power to order you to purchase a private product from a private company under force of law?   

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333 - here's the link to your article at the top of this thread

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44360

here's the "quote" from the article

why isn't the entire statemetn a quote.

do you know what this guy actually said

The chief actuary of Medicare thinks “15 percent of hospitals, skilled nursing facilities, and home health agencies” will become unprofitable by 2019.

btw - let's cut to the chase

are you in favor of medicare and increasing medicare payments or would you prefer the entire program just be eliminated?