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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2011, 06:21:33 PM »
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2011, 06:32:17 PM »
it's pathological with you; you are loaded with steroids; no doubt your asshole took a turn for the decidedly supra-saltus when Axio went up shit creek... what with you having an Axio loyalty card that would make Dave Palumbo shit! ya dirty cunt:



Oh and, shit for brains, let's see you deny this, because, and as we all know, you can quite easily show the world your forum database containing this post; we wont wait though, mongoloid!

Don't worry, here is where you can manifest your gimmick account "Primemucsle" aka "Matt's oily daddy" to cum protect you!

You've no doubt been wanking off about men - big oily men - your entire life!

Hell, as a grown man, I bet the public toilets of Canada can tell many a tale? Fly on the wall, old mans fingerprints on your balls!

You had better pray that the CIA never creates a vaseline, AIDS and mulatto dildo based technology similar to that observed in the movie "Minority Report".



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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2011, 07:14:40 PM »
MattC, I can tell you from experience (my own) that your observations regarding strength reflect my own.  At 23, and only 2 years of consistent training, I hit a 500 pound deadlift at a weight of around 180-185.  
I learned thereafter (after years of training) that the deadlift was my best exercise, and somewhat to my detriment in other areas.  What I mean is that the deadlift is so taxing on the CNS (your hands are the most innervated part of your body, IIRC), that your body does not recover enough for you to grow in other areas.  I could deadlift and chin with the strongest guys in the gym, but my pressing was terrible.
So, I refocused my energy on being a very balanced lifter, and lo and behold my believed injuries all but disappeared.
I hated the squat, or any variation thereof, because I was not strong in the squat.  But I made myself love the squat and spent an inordinate amount of time perfecting my form with the Buffalo Bar, straight bar, front squats, etc.  I use the trap bar to deadlift in the higher rep range from time to time, but it is no longer my bread and butter exercise.
I am a better lifter, and look better for it.
Matt, if you have any aspirations of building a better physique, ditch the ultra low rep stuff.  Anything under six reps, in my experience, is inviting injury, and doesn't do too much in the way of muscle growth.

Great post!!!

The way I saw it, since I obviously wasn't going to get any bigger, I may as well get stronger.  I decided this around Fall of 2009 and thus far it has worked fairly well.  I think by next week or the week after I will hit a 350 bench and 500 deadlift, with form around this for the deadlift:





This is the second time I did the trap bar deadlift:





When I hit 510 the first time trying it, I figured there is no way that it is that much easier than the conventional deadlift and it gave me the confidence to do 455 then 475 to see what I could do and I got it!  I had no idea going over 450 was just a mental barrier for me.  I was quite pleased.  :)

I attempted a high rack pull today with 680 but I was rather tired after my chest workout earlier in the day, but I suspect I will hit 725 on this soon enough:





I feel quite confident in hitting a 365 bench and 525 deadlift at some point in 2011.  I'm at least 50/50 on that right now.  I'm not sure what it is, but I feel very strong lately, which is odd because I'm eating less and less but just feel great basically.  Granted, I did use Gaspari's SIZEON in March after the Arnold but I don't think that's it.  I'm a quite realistic person in terms of my goals but obviously I would like to get as strong as I can.

If/when I hit a 500 deadlift I will strongly reconsider the thought that Layne Norton is natural.  If I can hit a 500 deadlift on crap nutrition and not being structurally advantaged for the deadlift as Layne is, couldn't he hit at least 600 or possibly more?  He has long arms and is built for the deadlift.  Also, he has claimed he is pretty consistent with his nutrition.  I certainly am not.  I do not drink a litre of water a day.  I eat next to nothing.

it's pathological with you; you are loaded with steroids; no doubt your asshole took a turn for the decidedly supra-saltus when Axio went up shit creek... what with you having an Axio loyalty card that would make Dave Palumbo shit! ya dirty cunt:

You truly believe that I'm consuming gear at 160-170 pounds while eating nothing in the way of calories?

First of all, I would jump on steroids IMMEDIATELY if [1] I could eat enough to actually make it worth it [fat lot of good extra protein synthesis is going to do when you don't eat much protein to begin with] and [2] one could actually KEEP the gains for a significant period of time.

I have no objection to steroids, to the contrary I've been kind of waiting for a good time to run a course of gear but have not proven to myself in the past year or two that I can eat worth anything.  With my appetite, it would be a waste of gear.

Give me the name of one pro or one bodybuilder at any level who actually has any size resembling his gear size six months, one year, three years, down the line!  The first bodybuilder I saw in person was Melvin Anthony at the 2007 Arnold Classic.  Mere months after from being in the top six in the world the man looked to be all of 230 pounds and soft!  Regardless of whether or not he stopped juicing, training, whatever, how on earth does one go from being one of the top six in the world to being barely recognizable as a bodybuilder?  Dorian looked huge this past weekend but he's probably still running something, at the very least HRT.

Trust me, I would LOVE to run a cycle but it would not do me any good on the calories I'm on.  It's as simple as that.
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2011, 07:21:17 PM »
It would seem that way.  I'm beginning to think that gear matters a lot less for strength [powerlifting, strongman] than for bodybuilding.

Today my bench was 335 and last Wednesday my deadlift hit 480 at around 160-170 pounds body weight.  I am completely confident that I will hit 350 and 500 within a week or two.  The fact is, strength is a lot more than just muscle size and I am going back to being unsure about Layne Norton's natural status.  If I can hit 500 with crap nutrition and less specific training, I don't see why he couldn't hit at least 600 as he has longer arms than me, better nutrition, and better training.

As for bodybuilding, I think when it comes to strictly building muscle tissue, steroids are very important.  But strength is a combination of things more than just muscle, i.e., ligament and tendon strength, joint resilience, ability to acclimate your central nervous system and more.

From personal experience I am inclined to believe that strength is more based on training while bodybuilding is more based on genetic response to gear.

LAYNE HIT 700.

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2011, 07:28:57 PM »
mattc, you need somebody to teach you how to deadlift.  That video is an atrocious lift

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2011, 07:33:33 PM »
LAYNE HIT 700.

Exactly.  Amazing lift:





I think what it boils down to is that while gear is extremely important for building muscle tissue [bodybuilding], it is a lot less important for strength because gaining strength is a multifaceted endeavour based on more than just muscle mass, i.e., tendon and ligament strength, joint resilience, injury resistance, structure, and of course, muscle mass too.  But one does not necessarily have to be big to be strong.  I am quite small but I think my strength is not too bad.  Honestly, I know everyone on here claims they are so strong or that so many strong people train at their gyms but in person I rarely see people stronger than me at the gym at any given session.  In a year there are maybe 4-6 of us at my current gym who deadlift 405 or more.

If I hit a 525 deadlift at 165 I swear I will never doubt any of Layne's claims ever again.  Keep in mind that Layne was around 225 at the time he hit his 700 deadlift and he has longer arms than I do which is a definite advantage for the deadlift.  I have shorter arms and as a result, my bench is close to what Layne's is.  Since 335 went up pretty easily today I am pretty certain I could have hit 345 which I did once before and is my best ever.  To my knowledge, Layne has never pressed more than 370 as his long arms obviously do not help him in that lift.

Plus didn't TA hit a 600 pound deadlift drug-free?  Again, TA has very long arms which obviously helps him on that movement.  As I said, I am strongly reconsidering my position that gear is as important for strength as I once thought.  Strength is a lot more than just muscle mass.

mattc, you need somebody to teach you how to deadlift.  That video is an atrocious lift

I would agree with you on my form but I was happy to lock it out.  I thought I could get it in one continuous movement but I was wrong and I should have started hitching as soon as the weight stalled.  I was happy to lock it out though and I feel that in no time I will hit 500 with decent [if not the greatest] form.  I'm honestly quite happy and not really sure what helped me bust through some plateaus which I had for literally years.  My diet definitely didn't change but I feel very good and look forward to every workout.
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2011, 07:36:16 PM »
looks better than i ever will sadly. :-\

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2011, 07:37:20 PM »
It would seem that way.  I'm beginning to think that gear matters a lot less for strength [powerlifting, strongman] than for bodybuilding.

Today my bench was 335 and last Wednesday my deadlift hit 480 at around 160-170 pounds body weight.  I am completely confident that I will hit 350 and 500 within a week or two.  The fact is, strength is a lot more than just muscle size and I am going back to being unsure about Layne Norton's natural status.  If I can hit 500 with crap nutrition and less specific training, I don't see why he couldn't hit at least 600 as he has longer arms than me, better nutrition, and better training.

As for bodybuilding, I think when it comes to strictly building muscle tissue, steroids are very important.  But strength is a combination of things more than just muscle, i.e., ligament and tendon strength, joint resilience, ability to acclimate your central nervous system and more.

From personal experience I am inclined to believe that strength is more based on training while bodybuilding is more based on genetic response to gear.

I cant say I've ever seen someone gain 15 pounds on bench and 20 pounds on a dead in a week or two in my life.

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2011, 07:38:44 PM »
Matt, if you have any aspirations of building a better physique, ditch the ultra low rep stuff.  Anything under six reps, in my experience, is inviting injury, and doesn't do too much in the way of muscle growth.
both branch warren and dennis wolf suggest never going under eight reps.

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2011, 07:41:52 PM »
weird thread  ;D

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2011, 07:54:13 PM »
Exactly.  Amazing lift:





I think what it boils down to is that while gear is extremely important for building muscle tissue [bodybuilding], it is a lot less important for strength because gaining strength is a multifaceted endeavour based on more than just muscle mass, i.e., tendon and ligament strength, joint resilience, injury resistance, structure, and of course, muscle mass too.  But one does not necessarily have to be big to be strong.  I am quite small but I think my strength is not too bad.  Honestly, I know everyone on here claims they are so strong or that so many strong people train at their gyms but in person I rarely see people stronger than me at the gym at any given session.  In a year there are maybe 4-6 of us at my current gym who deadlift 405 or more.

If I hit a 525 deadlift at 165 I swear I will never doubt any of Layne's claims ever again.  Keep in mind that Layne was around 225 at the time he hit his 700 deadlift and he has longer arms than I do which is a definite advantage for the deadlift.  I have shorter arms and as a result, my bench is close to what Layne's is.  Since 335 went up pretty easily today I am pretty certain I could have hit 345 which I did once before and is my best ever.  To my knowledge, Layne has never pressed more than 370 as his long arms obviously do not help him in that lift.

Plus didn't TA hit a 600 pound deadlift drug-free?  Again, TA has very long arms which obviously helps him on that movement.  As I said, I am strongly reconsidering my position that gear is as important for strength as I once thought.  Strength is a lot more than just muscle mass.

I would agree with you on my form but I was happy to lock it out.  I thought I could get it in one continuous movement but I was wrong and I should have started hitching as soon as the weight stalled.  I was happy to lock it out though and I feel that in no time I will hit 500 with decent [if not the greatest] form.  I'm honestly quite happy and not really sure what helped me bust through some plateaus which I had for literally years.  My diet definitely didn't change but I feel very good and look forward to every workout.

BUT LAYNE IS 0N JUICE. Y0U CAN'T D0 700 DEADLIFT AS A NATURAL AT THAT B0DYWEIGHT. THIS MEANS IF HE GETS 0N THE DRUGS HIS DEADLIFT W0ULD AT LEAST G0 UP 300 LBS MAKING HIM THE STR0NGEST HUMAN THAT'S EVER LIVED 0N EARTH. IT'S THE REP RANGE TRAINING THAT MAKES 0NE L00K LESS LIKE A B0DYBUILDER EVEN 0N GEAR. 3-5 REPS W0N'T BUILD AS MUCH MASS AS IN THE 6-10 REP RANGE TAKEN T0 FAILURE IF B0TH ARE D0NE WITH HEAVY WEIGHTS.

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2011, 07:57:14 PM »
Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips.
Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation.
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2011, 08:14:03 PM »
I cant say I've ever seen someone gain 15 pounds on bench and 20 pounds on a dead in a week or two in my life.

I feel that today I had 345 in me.  Today I went from 275 to 325 to 335.  At that point I decided that I would not go any higher but felt that if I gone from say 295 to 345 I most likely would have gotten it.  So it is really only a five pound gain looking at it that way.  As for my deadlift, I hit 480 last Wednesday in the form seen in the video and it's already been a week.  Maybe I'm being a bit unrealistic to claim I will hit 500 with the same form next week or the week after but let's just say I wouldn't be surprised if I got it at some point in July.  But who knows, I might plateau again.  I'm obviously eager to hit the big 500.

BUT LAYNE IS 0N JUICE. Y0U CAN'T D0 700 DEADLIFT AS A NATURAL AT THAT B0DYWEIGHT. THIS MEANS IF HE GETS 0N THE DRUGS HIS DEADLIFT W0ULD AT LEAST G0 UP 300 LBS MAKING HIM THE STR0NGEST HUMAN THAT'S EVER LIVED 0N EARTH. IT'S THE REP RANGE TRAINING THAT MAKES 0NE L00K LESS LIKE A B0DYBUILDER EVEN 0N GEAR. 3-5 REPS W0N'T BUILD AS MUCH MASS AS IN THE 6-10 REP RANGE TAKEN T0 FAILURE IF B0TH ARE D0NE WITH HEAVY WEIGHTS.

Layne consumes gear?  ???
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2011, 08:14:19 PM »
Fag
being a competitive bber. Do you think your sponsors like you using that word?   ;D
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2011, 08:15:32 PM »
being a competitive bber. Do you think your sponsors like you using that word?   ;D

I prefer the term BENDER.  It is the UK term for fag and is a lot more proper.  In Britain a fag is a cigarette, e.g., "Can I bum a fag?" means can I have a cigarette?
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2011, 08:16:16 PM »
I feel that today I had 345 in me.  Today I went from 275 to 325 to 335.  At that point I decided that I would not go any higher but felt that if I gone from say 295 to 345 I most likely would have gotten it.  So it is really only a five pound gain looking at it that way.  As for my deadlift, I hit 480 last Wednesday in the form seen in the video and it's already been a week.  Maybe I'm being a bit unrealistic to claim I will hit 500 with the same form next week or the week after but let's just say I wouldn't be surprised if I got it at some point in July.  But who knows, I might plateau again.  I'm obviously eager to hit the big 500.

Layne consumes gear?  ???

HE'S 220 LBS SINGLE DIGIT B0DY FAT IN THE 0FF SEAS0N. HE HAS A DEADLIFT 0F 700 LBS ALL AS A NATURAL? N0.

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2011, 08:19:00 PM »
HE'S 220 LBS SINGLE DIGIT B0DY FAT IN THE 0FF SEAS0N. HE HAS A DEADLIFT 0F 700 LBS ALL AS A NATURAL? N0.

Shitty response to gear = "Natural" with these guys.

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2011, 08:21:06 PM »
I prefer the term BENDER.  It is the UK term for fag and is a lot more proper.  In Britain a fag is a cigarette, e.g., "Can I bum a fag?" means can I have a cigarette?
i though it was tosserpot ? ???
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« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2011, 08:37:52 PM »
i though it was tosserpot ? ???

You would have to ask Woten.  I learned by UK slang from him.  I think UK English sounds more proper.  Plus I feel as if I can get away with saying BENDER because most people don't really know what it means.
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2011, 08:44:20 PM »
Matt, what's with all these cycles? I always had you pegged as a natty.
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« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2011, 08:59:10 PM »
Matt, what's with all these cycles? I always had you pegged as a natty.

I'm on nothing.  I'm maybe 165 pounds.  If people truly believe I am on gear right now, I find that shocking.  Look at the picture.  No, that is not a bad response, that is just what I look like.

If I could consistently eat 2,000+ calories a day, I would like to go on a cycle.  I honestly do not see my appetite going up and feel that gear would just be a waste.  Believe me, I am quite interested in running a cycle but what would the point be if I don't/can't/won't eat?  I can assure everyone reading this that I would like to use gear but I'm telling you, it would be a monumental waste.  As the expression goes, eat like a bird, look like a bird.  Maybe on gear I would be a slightly stronger, slightly bigger bird, but still.
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« Reply #46 on: June 22, 2011, 09:03:06 PM »
I'm on nothing.  I'm maybe 165 pounds.  If people truly believe I am on gear right now, I find that shocking.  Look at the picture.  No, that is not a bad response, that is just what I look like.

If I could consistently eat 2,000+ calories a day, I would like to go on a cycle.  I honestly do not see my appetite going up and feel that gear would just be a waste.  Believe me, I am quite interested in running a cycle but what would the point be if I don't/can't/won't eat?  I can assure everyone reading this that I would like to use gear but I'm telling you, it would be a monumental waste.  As the expression goes, eat like a bird, look like a bird.  Maybe on gear I would be a slightly stronger, slightly bigger bird, but still.

I didn't mean now. I meant the screen cap posted of you saying you've done 3 cycles. Wasn't judging or anything, mate. Genuinely.

Btw..I wouldn't worry so much about not being hungry a lot. It can seriously suck being greedy as fuck..
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« Reply #47 on: June 22, 2011, 09:04:49 PM »
You would have to ask Woten.  I learned by UK slang from him.  I think UK English sounds more proper.  Plus I feel as if I can get away with saying BENDER because most people don't really know what it means.
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #48 on: June 22, 2011, 09:07:16 PM »
It would seem that way.  I'm beginning to think that gear matters a lot less for strength [powerlifting, strongman] than for bodybuilding.

Today my bench was 335 and last Wednesday my deadlift hit 480 at around 160-170 pounds body weight.  I am completely confident that I will hit 350 and 500 within a week or two.  The fact is, strength is a lot more than just muscle size and I am going back to being unsure about Layne Norton's natural status.  If I can hit 500 with crap nutrition and less specific training, I don't see why he couldn't hit at least 600 as he has longer arms than me, better nutrition, and better training.

As for bodybuilding, I think when it comes to strictly building muscle tissue, steroids are very important.  But strength is a combination of things more than just muscle, i.e., ligament and tendon strength, joint resilience, ability to acclimate your central nervous system and more.

From personal experience I am inclined to believe that strength is more based on training while bodybuilding is more based on genetic response to gear.

you may be stronger than some one but he can for example bench press more than you if he has shorter arms!!.. strenght is a combination of many things together.. also the way you execute the exercise is very important especially when you try to do one rep with the heaviest weight possible..

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #49 on: June 22, 2011, 09:17:53 PM »
I didn't mean now. I meant the screen cap posted of you saying you've done 3 cycles. Wasn't judging or anything, mate. Genuinely.

Btw..I wouldn't worry so much about not being hungry a lot. It can seriously suck being greedy as fuck..

I'll let people use their imaginations, however, pretty much 5% of all young men consume gear.  So a few basic stacks 5-7 years ago would do what for me now?  I have a friend who did two cycles of M1T this year alone.  I would submit to any sort of test to prove I am completely gear free.

Trust me, I'm DYING to go on some gear.  But I have to deny any accusations that I am anywhere near using any sort of gear and I honestly don't know why anyone would think that.  In 2003 I remember a friend of mine told another friend I was consuming gear even though I wasn't.  From then on, he was giving me high fives and being a lot nicer to me.  Why?  Because he himself was a consumer of gear and was happy that I was part of the club so to speak.  I think that's what it's kind of about.  I think that's also the reason why some on here want to believe I am a bender.  It's a matter of wanting me to be part of the club.

you may be stronger than some one but he can for example bench press more than you if he has shorter arms!!.. strenght is a combination of many things together.. also the way you execute the exercise is very important especially when you try to do one rep with the heaviest weight possible..

Great post!!!
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