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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #50 on: June 22, 2011, 09:25:01 PM »
Great post!!!

The way I saw it, since I obviously wasn't going to get any bigger, I may as well get stronger.  I decided this around Fall of 2009 and thus far it has worked fairly well.  I think by next week or the week after I will hit a 350 bench and 500 deadlift, with form around this for the deadlift:





This is the second time I did the trap bar deadlift:





When I hit 510 the first time trying it, I figured there is no way that it is that much easier than the conventional deadlift and it gave me the confidence to do 455 then 475 to see what I could do and I got it!  I had no idea going over 450 was just a mental barrier for me.  I was quite pleased.  :)

I attempted a high rack pull today with 680 but I was rather tired after my chest workout earlier in the day, but I suspect I will hit 725 on this soon enough:





I feel quite confident in hitting a 365 bench and 525 deadlift at some point in 2011.  I'm at least 50/50 on that right now.  I'm not sure what it is, but I feel very strong lately, which is odd because I'm eating less and less but just feel great basically.  Granted, I did use Gaspari's SIZEON in March after the Arnold but I don't think that's it.  I'm a quite realistic person in terms of my goals but obviously I would like to get as strong as I can.

If/when I hit a 500 deadlift I will strongly reconsider the thought that Layne Norton is natural.  If I can hit a 500 deadlift on crap nutrition and not being structurally advantaged for the deadlift as Layne is, couldn't he hit at least 600 or possibly more?  He has long arms and is built for the deadlift.  Also, he has claimed he is pretty consistent with his nutrition.  I certainly am not.  I do not drink a litre of water a day.  I eat next to nothing.

You truly believe that I'm consuming gear at 160-170 pounds while eating nothing in the way of calories?

First of all, I would jump on steroids IMMEDIATELY if [1] I could eat enough to actually make it worth it [fat lot of good extra protein synthesis is going to do when you don't eat much protein to begin with] and [2] one could actually KEEP the gains for a significant period of time.

I have no objection to steroids, to the contrary I've been kind of waiting for a good time to run a course of gear but have not proven to myself in the past year or two that I can eat worth anything.  With my appetite, it would be a waste of gear.

Give me the name of one pro or one bodybuilder at any level who actually has any size resembling his gear size six months, one year, three years, down the line!  The first bodybuilder I saw in person was Melvin Anthony at the 2007 Arnold Classic.  Mere months after from being in the top six in the world the man looked to be all of 230 pounds and soft!  Regardless of whether or not he stopped juicing, training, whatever, how on earth does one go from being one of the top six in the world to being barely recognizable as a bodybuilder?  Dorian looked huge this past weekend but he's probably still running something, at the very least HRT.

Trust me, I would LOVE to run a cycle but it would not do me any good on the calories I'm on.  It's as simple as that.

your front delts look like they belong to some one who is 50 pounds heavier than you ;D..

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #51 on: June 22, 2011, 09:32:30 PM »
Great post!!!

The way I saw it, since I obviously wasn't going to get any bigger, I may as well get stronger.  I decided this around Fall of 2009 and thus far it has worked fairly well.  I think by next week or the week after I will hit a 350 bench and 500 deadlift, with form around this for the deadlift:





This is the second time I did the trap bar deadlift:





When I hit 510 the first time trying it, I figured there is no way that it is that much easier than the conventional deadlift and it gave me the confidence to do 455 then 475 to see what I could do and I got it!  I had no idea going over 450 was just a mental barrier for me.  I was quite pleased.  :)

I attempted a high rack pull today with 680 but I was rather tired after my chest workout earlier in the day, but I suspect I will hit 725 on this soon enough:





I feel quite confident in hitting a 365 bench and 525 deadlift at some point in 2011.  I'm at least 50/50 on that right now.  I'm not sure what it is, but I feel very strong lately, which is odd because I'm eating less and less but just feel great basically.  Granted, I did use Gaspari's SIZEON in March after the Arnold but I don't think that's it.  I'm a quite realistic person in terms of my goals but obviously I would like to get as strong as I can.

If/when I hit a 500 deadlift I will strongly reconsider the thought that Layne Norton is natural.  If I can hit a 500 deadlift on crap nutrition and not being structurally advantaged for the deadlift as Layne is, couldn't he hit at least 600 or possibly more?  He has long arms and is built for the deadlift.  Also, he has claimed he is pretty consistent with his nutrition.  I certainly am not.  I do not drink a litre of water a day.  I eat next to nothing.

You truly believe that I'm consuming gear at 160-170 pounds while eating nothing in the way of calories?

First of all, I would jump on steroids IMMEDIATELY if [1] I could eat enough to actually make it worth it [fat lot of good extra protein synthesis is going to do when you don't eat much protein to begin with] and [2] one could actually KEEP the gains for a significant period of time.

I have no objection to steroids, to the contrary I've been kind of waiting for a good time to run a course of gear but have not proven to myself in the past year or two that I can eat worth anything.  With my appetite, it would be a waste of gear.

Give me the name of one pro or one bodybuilder at any level who actually has any size resembling his gear size six months, one year, three years, down the line!  The first bodybuilder I saw in person was Melvin Anthony at the 2007 Arnold Classic.  Mere months after from being in the top six in the world the man looked to be all of 230 pounds and soft!  Regardless of whether or not he stopped juicing, training, whatever, how on earth does one go from being one of the top six in the world to being barely recognizable as a bodybuilder?  Dorian looked huge this past weekend but he's probably still running something, at the very least HRT.

Trust me, I would LOVE to run a cycle but it would not do me any good on the calories I'm on.  It's as simple as that.

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both myself and van b pretty much convinced you were on hormones,, it just too much delt development for no food intake and too much strength that go along with it ,, and some parts are hormonized like and some not ,,arms which are very good with every canadian are good with you ,, delts too ,, over all both myself and van b which know what we talk about think orals was yoru route nto needle ,, still nto hromonizer as you know it now day ,, but yes if i had to say it out loud you have used

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #52 on: June 22, 2011, 09:37:33 PM »
matt,,

both myself and van b pretty much convinced you were on hormones,, it just too much delt development for no food intake and too much strength that go along with it ,, and some parts are hormonized like and some not ,,arms which are very good with every canadian are good with you ,, delts too ,, over all both myself and van b which know what we talk about think orals was yoru route nto needle ,, still nto hromonizer as you know it now day ,, but yes if i had to say it out loud you have used

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #53 on: June 22, 2011, 09:39:24 PM »
i honestly think his build is more impressive then his strength a near 500lb deadlift is great but not a whole lot of people train with that as there main goal I have seen many people pull 500 at smaller sizes in ymca gyms but good lift anyways

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #54 on: June 22, 2011, 10:08:52 PM »
i honestly think his build is more impressive then his strength a near 500lb deadlift is great but not a whole lot of people train with that as there main goal I have seen many people pull 500 at smaller sizes in ymca gyms but good lift anyways

He doesn't have a 500lb deadlift. He hitched 480 and that rack pull was a fucking joke.

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #55 on: June 22, 2011, 10:16:42 PM »
a total idiot.

Why the need to be mean to me?  Do you hate me because my deadlift form sucks?

your front delts look like they belong to some one who is 50 pounds heavier than you ;D..

Hey thanks Sherief!!  I think that is why my bench press is what it is.  Although I want big shoulders, I always wanted a big chest but came to realize that strengths and weaknesses are a matter of genetics and it's not like I was ever going to have a chest like Nasser's.  Honestly, if I could consume gear and have a chest like Nasser's I would obviously start tomorrow!  Just reading this thread has got me thinking about it.

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both myself and van b pretty much convinced you were on hormones,, it just too much delt development for no food intake and too much strength that go along with it ,, and some parts are hormonized like and some not ,,arms which are very good with every canadian are good with you ,, delts too ,, over all both myself and van b which know what we talk about think orals was yoru route nto needle ,, still nto hromonizer as you know it now day ,, but yes if i had to say it out loud you have used

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Great post!!

Truly, the best advice I could get right now is techniques on increasing my calories.  I keep harping on this, but there is no point in me consuming gear without first consuming more calories.  I hate to sound like a quitter, but I honestly can't realistically see myself eating more, especially not with two small children now.  I know that sounds like an excuse, but it's really how I feel about it.  I envision myself running a nice stack and a protein shake and a sandwich a day and ruining it.  What's the point?

i honestly think his build is more impressive then his strength a near 500lb deadlift is great but not a whole lot of people train with that as there main goal I have seen many people pull 500 at smaller sizes in ymca gyms but good lift anyways

Hey thanks chess315!!  I don't personally know of 25 guys in the city I'm in who deadlift 500.  I'm not saying they don't exist, but I have never seen them, they have never entered contests, and I have never heard about them.

I knew early on that with my appetite and family genetics that I would not be big, so I figured I may as well be strong.  I figured if I am actively involved in reviewing supplements or what have you that I should at least have some proof that I am training hard, and I am.  If that can't show in my size, it may as well show in my strength.  That's why I really want to hit a 500 deadlift, 350 bench, and 400 squat.  If I hit all of those targets at 165 I don't think anyone can bash me for my strength.

Scott Herman is the same height as me and has roughly the same frame.  His chest is obviously great, but is he on gear or is his physique just the result of a good diet and hard training?:



He doesn't have a 500lb deadlift. He hitched 480 and that rack pull was a fucking joke.


That was my second time doing rack pulls and I think once my CNS gets used to it I will be able to do that weight with better form, or do 600 from a lower pin.

As for 500, I am fairly confident I will get that within a month, also hitched.  Ever since Ontario Strongman changed the rules to allow hitching, most of the contests I have entered have allowed it as well.  But also regarding my CNS, I feel that I should be able to do a proper 500 some time in the not so distant future.
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #56 on: June 22, 2011, 10:41:15 PM »
According to the Canadian Powerlifting Union, the Canadian record for suited deadlift in my weight class is 620:

http://www.powerlifting.ca/recsmen.php

Maybe it's a cultural thing, but as I said I hardly see anyone deadlifting over five plates, or even over three or four on any given day at the gym.  For those of you who train around such strong people I would say consider yourself lucky because I would love to train with guys that strong.  I'm sure it would keep me motivated to get stronger.
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #57 on: June 22, 2011, 10:56:05 PM »


Mr Canning, do you have private health insurance??
The reason I ask is that I feel you may be needing it in the near future (I hope your policy is all paid up)

That lift was fucking atrocious, jeez - you have been lifting for years,& still you look like a novice when executing that deadlift.
Not to mention that the range of motion was minimal, considering you had the bar, not on the floor, but on the power rack??
This thread is just beyond weird.

It is my conclusion Mr Canning, that you are of an extremely unstable mind.

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #58 on: June 22, 2011, 11:03:49 PM »


Mr Canning, do you have private health insurance??
The reason I ask is that I feel you may be needing it in the near future (I hope your policy is all paid up)

That lift was fucking atrocious, jeez - you have been lifting for years,& still you look like a novice when executing that deadlift.
Not to mention that the range of motion was minimal, considering you had the bar, not on the floor, but on the power rack??
This thread is just beyond weird.

It is my conclusion Mr Canning, that you are of an extremely unstable mind.

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Actually...yes I do have private health insurance.  Not that Canada's health care is horrible or anything but there is a lot that is not covered so I took out extra insurance.  I am performing the lift in a power rack but my feet are on a mat which the weight is on as well so it is a full deadlift.  I should point out that I've never had any sort of injury and I feel great.  Is it poetic justice that a lot of people who have bashed my form later got injuries?  ;D  Oddly, I have friends who don't even train who can barely walk without back problems.  ???

I could post some videos of me doing 400-450 with better form at a gym with mirrors - I think not having mirrors did throw me off.  I admit I rely on them a little when lifting, force of habit I guess.  Sorry, but I LOL'd when you determined by mental stability from my deadlift form or this thread in general.  ;D

Honestly, overall I'm happy with my lift, and really hoping for 500 from the floor pretty soon.  :)
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #59 on: June 22, 2011, 11:19:47 PM »
This is where I hope to be, both form wise and weight wise, hopefully very soon:



Am I being realistic or is 20 pounds with improved form not likely?  It's just a gut feeling, but I truly feel that this will happen.  If so, I will keep everyone updated.
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #60 on: June 23, 2011, 12:26:38 AM »
Actually...yes I do have private health insurance.  

 Sorry, but I LOL'd when you determined by mental stability from my deadlift form or this thread in general.  ;D



Good fucking job really!!

Secondly, there you go apologising again, I flat out insult you & you say sorry  ::)
Your metal stability has been in question for some time now, & if you carry on with threads like this, full of vids & me, me, me.......
There is a serious danger of you becoming the 'Sevestatse'  of GeTBiG, I shit you not.
This I can assure you, is not an enviable position to be in.


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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #61 on: June 23, 2011, 12:35:10 AM »
MATT I HAVE A G00D WAY 0F PUTTING 0N MASS WITH0UT MUCH FAT. AFTER EVERY MEAL DRINK 0NE CUP 0F WH0LE MILK. DRINK 4 CUPS 0F MILK A DAY. THAT'S AN EXTRA 600 CAL0RIES THAT I THINK WILL INCREASE LEAN MUSCLE MASS WITH0UT MUCH FAT.

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #62 on: June 23, 2011, 12:38:00 AM »
It would seem that way.  I'm beginning to think that gear matters a lot less for strength [powerlifting, strongman] than for bodybuilding.

Today my bench was 335 and last Wednesday my deadlift hit 480 at around 160-170 pounds body weight.  I am completely confident that I will hit 350 and 500 within a week or two.  The fact is, strength is a lot more than just muscle size and I am going back to being unsure about Layne Norton's natural status.  If I can hit 500 with crap nutrition and less specific training, I don't see why he couldn't hit at least 600 as he has longer arms than me, better nutrition, and better training.

As for bodybuilding, I think when it comes to strictly building muscle tissue, steroids are very important.  But strength is a combination of things more than just muscle, i.e., ligament and tendon strength, joint resilience, ability to acclimate your central nervous system and more.

From personal experience I am inclined to believe that strength is more based on training while bodybuilding is more based on genetic response to gear.



The will, the drive, the motivation and the power are all driven by one thing: Your mind.

All other "assistance" is just that. "Assistance"

"What the mind can conceive...'



What if you wanted to become an accomplished guitarist? Painter?



It's all in your head and what you BELIEVE that you can do. Another saying that is quite common "Just do it"

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #63 on: June 23, 2011, 04:23:05 AM »
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  awwwww Matt had to report the post to have it removed .. it's OK .. everyone knows what a liar and a shill you are



You truly believe that I'm consuming gear at 160-170 pounds while eating nothing in the way of calories?


You are not natural .. you have "consumed" everything you can get your greasy little fingers on .. and lets not mention the snow you've enjoyed ;)

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #64 on: June 23, 2011, 04:29:19 AM »
mattc, you need somebody to teach you how to deadlift.  That video is an atrocious lift
Yes, it hurt my lower back just watching that first vid...I still love you though.

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #65 on: June 23, 2011, 04:31:11 AM »
He was pretty good even back then.

Me when I turned 21.

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #66 on: June 23, 2011, 04:48:03 AM »
He doesn't have a 500lb deadlift. He hitched 480 and that rack pull was a fucking joke.



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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #67 on: June 23, 2011, 09:43:36 AM »
Good fucking job really!!

Secondly, there you go apologising again, I flat out insult you & you say sorry  ::)
Your metal stability has been in question for some time now, & if you carry on with threads like this, full of vids & me, me, me.......
There is a serious danger of you becoming the 'Sevestatse'  of GeTBiG, I shit you not.
This I can assure you, is not an enviable position to be in.


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Good points.  It was a mistake to talk about myself when it came to strength vs. muscle in this thread  This is a relatively new observation for me as I train with both juiced guys and naturals and it always surprises me how much closer the best juiced vs. natural guys are in terms of strength but not in terms of size.

I admit I was very excited at the prospect of hitting a 500 deadlift and felt the need to post.  I will be at the Olympia again this year and I would be glad to submit to any drug test if anyone really believes that or cares.  ::)  I fear with my calories that a cycle is just going to make me look like another John Romano - and he looks good for his age but I think he's most likely what someone looks like who runs gear and doesn't eat very much.  I immediately think "bad nutrition" when I see his physique.  I look the same year after year so it would be pretty sad if I was currently using.  I'd like to think the pictures would speak for themselves if I was on.



You are not natural .. you have "consumed" everything you can get your greasy little fingers on .. and lets not mention the snow you've enjoyed ;)

You would like to believe I am a consumer of gear, rec drugs, and also a bender.  It's a matter of being "part of the club" with you.  Yet I'm married with two kids but somehow a closet gay.  ::)  I honestly don't know what's so hard to believe about me being 160 with the 480 hitched deadlift seen in the video posted.  Some on here make it sound like any strength at all is unattainable without gear.

You're just mad because I had to stop the direction my site was going in due to an unrelated lawsuit.  I already invited you back to the board and you refused.  Now you prefer instead to bash me for god knows what reason.  Just go register the domain name BodybuildingVibe.com and put up a free Simple Machines forum.  Problem solved.  Plus BodybuildingVibe is a cool name.

I can honestly say that as odd as I am, you are coming across as obsessed with me.  If you truly believe I am running something right now, I take this as a compliment.
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #68 on: June 23, 2011, 11:36:21 AM »
Good points.  It was a mistake to talk about making a kai Green thread all about my 'jaw breaking yawn' inspiring fantasy,  when it came to strength vs. muscle in this thread 

I admit I was very excited at the prospect of hitting a 500 deadlift and felt the need to post. 

I can honestly say that as odd as I am, you are coming across as obsessed with me I am just getting warmed up baby, stick around as we are heading for the twilight zone, meu irmao.



.  If you truly believe I am running something right now, I take this as a compliment - well, you are right, I just don't have the time to eat every 2.5 hrs with my family situation, & training with-out Test just makes me tired.

Here is a quick hint Mr Canning = next time you want to talk about your 'jaw breaking yawn' inspiring, fantasies.
Don't start a thread about 'Kai green' looking great at 21, just start a thread called can any-one advise me on my form.
Signed; newbie lifter (which should be the name of your next gimmick 'BTW')

Secondly
, don't have x2 kids & a fucking ball / chain, if you want to go to the gym all the time & eat every 2.5 hrs!! fuck-whit

Hope this helps

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #69 on: June 23, 2011, 11:43:13 AM »
MATT I HAVE A G00D WAY 0F PUTTING 0N MASS WITH0UT MUCH FAT. AFTER EVERY MEAL DRINK 0NE CUP 0F WH0LE MILK. DRINK 4 CUPS 0F MILK A DAY. THAT'S AN EXTRA 600 CAL0RIES THAT I THINK WILL INCREASE LEAN MUSCLE MASS WITH0UT MUCH FAT.

Hey, Assbrush, have some o's you look like you could use them.

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That should keep you going for a few posts  ;)

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« Reply #70 on: June 23, 2011, 11:47:13 AM »
the deadlift is more popular in america thanx to are prison system lol many people dont realise but powerlifting owes a lot of its current status to leavenworth fedral prison it some what evloved and was taking around the country by released fedral prisoners in the 1950s 60s.

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #71 on: June 23, 2011, 11:50:56 AM »
Matt, those handles on your trap bar are way high.
When I pulled 500 (both on trap and standard Oly bar), it was without a belt, just in my basement with my training partner.
I had vid of the 500 trap bar, because my then girlfriend recorded it.  We broke up, so no video.  I looked "bloofy", which when you are natural = fat.
I also really liked doing trap bar deads for a 5x5, 3x3 or a 5x3 off of a 3 inch platform I made so I could use that to help my squat.

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #72 on: June 23, 2011, 11:54:04 AM »
Matt, those handles on your trap bar are way high.
When I pulled 500 (both on trap and standard Oly bar), it was without a belt, just in my basement with my training partner.
I had vid of the 500 trap bar, because my then girlfriend recorded it.  We broke up, so no video.  I looked "bloofy", which when you are natural = fat.
I also really liked doing trap bar deads for a 5x5, 3x3 or a 5x3 off of a 3 inch platform I made so I could use that to help my squat.

Thank you SilverSpoon, I will give that a shot.  The trap bar deadlift handles can be rotated for a lower start position which I will try next time.  After doing both chest and back yesterday I feel really sore today but I look forward to next week's workout.  If I do successfully bench 345 I will post a video.  I will also give the trap bar lower handles a try some time soon.
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #73 on: June 23, 2011, 11:57:42 AM »
Matt, I have found the trap bar to be very useful, as it can either be used to help with the squat, in which case you sit your hips nice and low and push through the floor; or it can be used for the deadlift, in which case (if you are built tall like me), you are going to have greater bend at the hips and initiate the lift with your back, not necessarily fully utilizing leg drive until you have move the bar up somewhat.
I think the trap bar is a better and safer move overall than the standard bar, because a mixed grip (if used all of the time) leads to uneven development.  For a while, when I was 22 or so, my left trap was visibly larger than my right, and I think it was due to me using a mixed grip, where my right hand was supinated.
Of course, you could always utilize the hook grip, which I hate.

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #74 on: June 23, 2011, 12:04:09 PM »
I thought this thread was about Kai Greene ??? How'd it turn into a " Matt C's awesome strength " thread ? Wtf ?