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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #75 on: June 23, 2011, 12:17:32 PM »
Matt, I have found the trap bar to be very useful, as it can either be used to help with the squat, in which case you sit your hips nice and low and push through the floor; or it can be used for the deadlift, in which case (if you are built tall like me), you are going to have greater bend at the hips and initiate the lift with your back, not necessarily fully utilizing leg drive until you have move the bar up somewhat.
I think the trap bar is a better and safer move overall than the standard bar, because a mixed grip (if used all of the time) leads to uneven development.  For a while, when I was 22 or so, my left trap was visibly larger than my right, and I think it was due to me using a mixed grip, where my right hand was supinated.
Of course, you could always utilize the hook grip, which I hate.

I tried the hook grip once and I was surprised that it was not as bad for me as I predicted.  I'm open to trying new things right now.  My training is more or less consistent/regular at this point and I want to see how strong I can get knowing that my body weight is not going to change.  I'm not sure how realistic it is, but if I could be 180 with a 3X body weight deadlift, 2X body weight bench and a 2-3X body weight squat, I would be very happy with that.

It would ultimately mean I would have to eat much more though.

I thought this thread was about Kai Greene ??? How'd it turn into a " Matt C's awesome strength " thread ? Wtf ?

Hey thanks The_Iron_Disciple!!!  ;D

JK, but seriously I initially brought up the fact that I'm rethinking how strong a person can get without gear and the thread got derailed.
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #76 on: June 23, 2011, 01:04:15 PM »
Not only Matt C's strength. Steve Namat volunteered a picture of him at 21 too! :)

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #77 on: June 23, 2011, 01:14:27 PM »
Not only Matt C's strength. Steve Namat volunteered a picture of him at 21 too! :)


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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #78 on: June 23, 2011, 01:53:34 PM »
Great post!!!

The way I saw it, since I obviously wasn't going to get any bigger, I may as well get stronger.  I decided this around Fall of 2009 and thus far it has worked fairly well.  I think by next week or the week after I will hit a 350 bench and 500 deadlift, with form around this for the deadlift:





This is the second time I did the trap bar deadlift:





When I hit 510 the first time trying it, I figured there is no way that it is that much easier than the conventional deadlift and it gave me the confidence to do 455 then 475 to see what I could do and I got it!  I had no idea going over 450 was just a mental barrier for me.  I was quite pleased.  :)

I attempted a high rack pull today with 680 but I was rather tired after my chest workout earlier in the day, but I suspect I will hit 725 on this soon enough:





I feel quite confident in hitting a 365 bench and 525 deadlift at some point in 2011.  I'm at least 50/50 on that right now.  I'm not sure what it is, but I feel very strong lately, which is odd because I'm eating less and less but just feel great basically.  Granted, I did use Gaspari's SIZEON in March after the Arnold but I don't think that's it.  I'm a quite realistic person in terms of my goals but obviously I would like to get as strong as I can.

If/when I hit a 500 deadlift I will strongly reconsider the thought that Layne Norton is natural.  If I can hit a 500 deadlift on crap nutrition and not being structurally advantaged for the deadlift as Layne is, couldn't he hit at least 600 or possibly more?  He has long arms and is built for the deadlift.  Also, he has claimed he is pretty consistent with his nutrition.  I certainly am not.  I do not drink a litre of water a day.  I eat next to nothing.

You truly believe that I'm consuming gear at 160-170 pounds while eating nothing in the way of calories?

First of all, I would jump on steroids IMMEDIATELY if [1] I could eat enough to actually make it worth it [fat lot of good extra protein synthesis is going to do when you don't eat much protein to begin with] and [2] one could actually KEEP the gains for a significant period of time.

I have no objection to steroids, to the contrary I've been kind of waiting for a good time to run a course of gear but have not proven to myself in the past year or two that I can eat worth anything.  With my appetite, it would be a waste of gear.

Give me the name of one pro or one bodybuilder at any level who actually has any size resembling his gear size six months, one year, three years, down the line!  The first bodybuilder I saw in person was Melvin Anthony at the 2007 Arnold Classic.  Mere months after from being in the top six in the world the man looked to be all of 230 pounds and soft!  Regardless of whether or not he stopped juicing, training, whatever, how on earth does one go from being one of the top six in the world to being barely recognizable as a bodybuilder?  Dorian looked huge this past weekend but he's probably still running something, at the very least HRT.

Trust me, I would LOVE to run a cycle but it would not do me any good on the calories I'm on.  It's as simple as that.
Great strenght man, but wach your form, once you fu** your lower back is game over for all heavy back and legs...and reading your post you seem to have problems gaining size as a natural? Did you try serge Nubret's style of medium weight, high volume, pumping workout it helped my blast trought my platou, im now on more strenght and mass program, but i will be back to Serge's after some time...

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #79 on: June 23, 2011, 01:57:38 PM »
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #80 on: June 23, 2011, 02:06:52 PM »
Great strenght man, but wach your form, once you fu** your lower back is game over for all heavy back and legs...and reading your post you seem to have problems gaining size as a natural? Did you try serge Nubret's style of medium weight, high volume, pumping workout it helped my blast trought my platou, im now on more strenght and mass program, but i will be back to Serge's after some time...

Hey thanks PhysiqueNatural!!!  I'm always looking for new tips to improve although I know the main thing is food and I really need to look no further than that although I do appreciate training advice as well.  If 90% of the problem is insufficient calories, that's what I have to hit first.  I'm just not a hungry guy to be honest.

As for my back, maybe it's ignorant for me to say this, but I honestly feel that I can train like this and have no problems.  Time will tell I guess.
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #81 on: June 23, 2011, 02:08:23 PM »
Hey thanks PhysiqueNatural!!!  I'm always looking for new tips to improve although I know the main thing is food and I really need to look no further than that although I do appreciate training advice as well.  If 90% of the problem is insufficient calories, that's what I have to hit first.  I'm just not a hungry guy to be honest.

As for my back, maybe it's ignorant for me to say this, but I honestly feel that I can train like this and have no problems.  Time will tell I guess.
I stuff my face all the time, you must too, don't half ass it bro! :) about the training you have threads a bb. com where Serge posted also his training program, no problem man always i try to help if i can...

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #82 on: June 23, 2011, 04:06:07 PM »
No, it's achievable.

However, and by your own admission, you have not achieved it without gear though, dickhead!

Your straw-man to one side; you are - by any standards - a veteran gear user; you have, by your own admission, several goodly cycles under your belt (consisting of both leather daddy sperm and urine injectables and orals). Why you perceive this as shamefull I do not know?

Having said that; perhaps it is by virtue, and as you full well know, that your said admission re: 'Axio' would make good bedfellows with any potential interest from Dick Warman. In that respect, one cannot blame you for engaging in a little obfuscatory modality whence upon the topic doth find itself discussed!

You have surely learnt, that one Swallow does in fact render summerwise; you are no stranger to swallowing [pint after pint] within the acrid environs of Canada's public lavatory system; non too salubrious shit-houses so mind bendingly, mind bogglingly and mind blowingly awash with furfuraceous cock. You - Matt Canning - cannot leave; denied exit by your branlike asshole, so categorically craving crusty cock!

You know [more than anyone] that you are convincing nobody with this charade... the latest round of unequivocal insanity from Matt C!

Oh and, both Dan, Evo and I left your forum in good turn; even requesting you delete our post history in full; so save your weasel words about "giving a fuck/obsessing" over anything connected to you.

Though it must be said, well done on falling to 108,000 on the Alexa rankings - after climbing to 60,000 last year. I mean, only a complete cunt would find themselves sliding from 60,000 (that Dan got you to lol) back to 120,000 inside of sixteen months; all of which, and as you full well know, was predicted by Duchaine upon leaving last year; fucking dicephalous, dick-loving, diabetic failure that you are!

What was it you said about reaching 60,000 once more in 2011, whilst under your watch?

Everything out of your yap is bullshit.

You are incapable of saying "anything honestly"; the lies pouring from your mouth - so stricken with sores - in equal measure to the sperm that doth so verily flood upon your glans glazed bowel!

Although well done on getting the Joomla installed, seriously; one year late, but well done.

The combination of toxic orals from scabby UG labs, together with one too many mouthfuls of piss drenched sperm from those oily old men [in shit-stained, public toilets] you so verily love, has only resulted in a most gross of observably attenuated mental states!

Shock therapy and straight jackets for Matt C !


Jesus christ almighty ! LOL ! I think I'm startin' to fall for you ? Are you single ? LOL !


MAJOR ownage of MASSIVE proportions, my fellow getbiggers !!! Wow ! Just ... wow !

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #83 on: June 23, 2011, 04:17:30 PM »


oh bloody mary christmas ... is that Ben the Bakery Boy ?

IT IS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here we go folks ... see the fat TWAT "traiining" Matt

yeah .. lemme just say

Between Goodrum .. Basile ... Michele Pulcinella ... some Tiny Tim fuckwit from England .. and Bakery Ben

Matt was beaten about the face and head because "people are mean"

more than once he begged .. please be nice to my chubby friend he will leave and he trains me

stop trying to come off as Mr Clean Natural Innocent Super Powered Small Man


the mod forum Matt .. remember that ..  I can remember everything .... you stupid little spamming snot licker

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #84 on: June 23, 2011, 04:24:05 PM »
No, it's achievable.

However, and by your own admission, you have not achieved it without gear though, dickhead!

Your straw-man to one side; you are - by any standards - a veteran gear user; you have, by your own admission, several goodly cycles under your belt (consisting of both leather daddy sperm and urine injectables and orals). Why you perceive this as shamefull I do not know?

Having said that; perhaps it is by virtue, and as you full well know, that your said admission re: 'Axio' would make good bedfellows with any potential interest from Dick Warman. In that respect, one cannot blame you for engaging in a little obfuscatory modality whence upon the topic doth find itself discussed!

You have surely learnt, that one Swallow does in fact render summerwise; you are no stranger to swallowing [pint after pint] within the acrid environs of Canada's public lavatory system; non too salubrious shit-houses so mind bendingly, mind bogglingly and mind blowingly awash with furfuraceous cock. You - Matt Canning - cannot leave; denied exit by your branlike asshole, so categorically craving crusty cock!

You know [more than anyone] that you are convincing nobody with this charade... the latest round of unequivocal insanity from Matt C!

Oh and, both Dan, Evo and I left your forum in good turn; even requesting you delete our post history in full; so save your weasel words about "giving a fuck/obsessing" over anything connected to you.

Though it must be said, well done on falling to 108,000 on the Alexa rankings - after climbing to 60,000 last year. I mean, only a complete cunt would find themselves sliding from 60,000 (that Dan got you to lol) back to 120,000 inside of sixteen months; all of which, and as you full well know, was predicted by Duchaine upon leaving last year; fucking dicephalous, dick-loving, diabetic failure that you are!

What was it you said about reaching 60,000 once more in 2011, whilst under your watch?

Everything out of your yap is bullshit.

You are incapable of saying "anything honestly"; the lies pouring from your mouth - so stricken with sores - in equal measure to the sperm that doth so verily flood upon your glans glazed bowel!

Although well done on getting the Joomla installed, seriously; one year late, but well done.

The combination of toxic orals from scabby UG labs, together with one too many mouthfuls of piss drenched sperm from those oily old men [in shit-stained, public toilets] you so verily love, has only resulted in a most gross of observably attenuated mental states!

Shock therapy and straight jackets for Matt C !

this is maybe the best posting in getbig recent history lol ,, im still laughing lol

gh15 approved
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #85 on: June 23, 2011, 04:24:39 PM »
spamming snot licker

Oh I need to text that to someone..LMAO

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #86 on: June 23, 2011, 04:57:09 PM »
This is where I hope to be, both form wise and weight wise, hopefully very soon:



Am I being realistic or is 20 pounds with improved form not likely?  It's just a gut feeling, but I truly feel that this will happen.  If so, I will keep everyone updated.

That is shit form look how teh bar is twisting - great way to wreck your back!

This is 500lbs with the form I use.


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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #87 on: June 23, 2011, 06:43:46 PM »


oh bloody mary christmas ... is that Ben the Bakery Boy ?

IT IS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here we go folks ... see the fat TWAT "traiining" Matt

yeah .. lemme just say

Between Goodrum .. Basile ... Michele Pulcinella ... some Tiny Tim fuckwit from England .. and Bakery Ben

Matt was beaten about the face and head because "people are mean"

more than once he begged .. please be nice to my chubby friend he will leave and he trains me

stop trying to come off as Mr Clean Natural Innocent Super Powered Small Man


the mod forum Matt .. remember that ..  I can remember everything .... you stupid little spamming snot licker

You have no evidence that I ever juiced aside from doctored screen captures.  Post something resembling actual evidence and not a screen capture that I could create in under five minutes as "proof".  Oh, and an alleged admission of 20mg of dbol a day for a few weeks over the past five years?  That's it?  Wow, dbol must sure be long acting for me to consistently gain strength five years later on a dose suitable for a child.  I'll be deadlifting 525 in no time.

What I would like to see is who on this board - juiced to the gills or not - beats me on any lift.  My bench is 225X25 which narrowly falls short of Mark Alvisi's lift of 230X32 and I think we all know he's on a little more than creatine.

I think it's sad when people who double my body weight are not even as strong as me.  And even subscribing to the ridiculous notion that I am using gear to make my epic weight of 163, that would put me in the same class as most on this board who are still nowhere near as strong as me.  So juiced or not, strength wise I am ahead of over 90% of this board.

You remind me of one of those guys who threatens to fight Nasser than when you see him in person you shit your pants and all of a sudden you're his best friend.

Your posts on my site brought 0 new posting members.  If you're so great at creating a website, go do it.  If you ever create a bodybuilding site more popular than mine - which will never happen - then you can come back and bash me for my site, something I have taken a break from while raising two young children [ages one and two] who occupy almost every waking moment of my life.  Again, something you will never have.  :(  And despite not updating my site in nine months, it is still ranked just outside the top 100,000 in the world and I have finally almost completed the coding of the site and can start updating it again.  First thing's first - an article about the career of the great Nasser El Sonbaty.

Post videos of you lifting more than me.  You can't, you won't.  Post the link to your bodybuilding site which is more popular than mine.  You can't you won't.  I invited you back to post on the site and you refused.  You made your choice, so your interest in my posts/lifts/life is rather odd to me.  I think someone has a crush on Matt C.  :)

PS - Videos of my 350 bench and 500 deadlift coming soon!  Sometimes the proof is in the pudding.  :)
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #88 on: June 23, 2011, 07:12:38 PM »
Still waiting for a few 250+ pound juicers on the board to post their videos beating me in any of the main lifts.

Surely most of the guys on here who outweigh me by 100 pounds can out-lift me right?  :)









I'll wait.

What's sad is when you have people bashing me whose arms are bigger than my legs and still aren't stronger than me.  You can say what you want about me, but I'll always verify my lifting claims.
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #89 on: June 23, 2011, 07:16:41 PM »
I thought this thread was about Kai Greene.  It's turned into a MattC thread. 

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #90 on: June 23, 2011, 07:25:21 PM »
I thought this thread was about Kai Greene.  It's turned into a MattC thread. 

Yes it did...I'm honestly beginning to think that w8m8 has a crush on me.  In a way I'm actually flattered.
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #91 on: June 23, 2011, 07:31:01 PM »
Matt,in order to increase your food intake,you just put it into the same terms as you do your lifting.

Increasing lifts = progressive resistance

Increasing food = progressive eating.

You add small plates to the bar to increase a lift that your nearly maxed out on,you do the same thing with food.

If you only can eat two eggs,do so,then after a time make yourself eat three,then keep repeating this as you get accustomed to the new food intake...............not hard to do if you make small increments over time at each and every meal.

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« Reply #92 on: June 23, 2011, 07:44:19 PM »
Matt,in order to increase your food intake,you just put it into the same terms as you do your lifting.

Increasing lifts = progressive resistance

Increasing food = progressive eating.

You add small plates to the bar to increase a lift that your nearly maxed out on,you do the same thing with food.

If you only can eat two eggs,do so,then after a time make yourself eat three,then keep repeating this as you get accustomed to the new food intake...............not hard to do if you make small increments over time at each and every meal.

Thanks Tim, I really appreciate the advice.  I feel like my training is going great but that my appetite has failed me.  I could honestly eat 1,200 calories a day and feel perfectly fine.  More than that, I feel that I could train hard and get a lot accomplished on that many calories.  Some people who hang out with me are stunned at how little I eat while still feeling perfectly fine.  It's been that way my entire life.  Food has always been my issue.  When I was force-feeding a little, I was able to maintain around a 180 pound physique but since reverting to nature, I hold around 160 or so.  My goal would be to be somewhere in the area of 175-180 with a slightly better body composition and I believe that is realistic as long as I can eat.

Maybe I should consider this thread a challenge and see if I can come back on here in a few months and post some progress photos and see where I'm at.  Tell me something Tim - are the photos you post sustainable?  Or is that just how you look close to a contest but different year round?  I obviously don't expect to look like you did in contest, but I do want to try to figure out what level of conditioning is sustainable and set realistic goals.  I am pretty keen on setting realistic goals, hence the strength goals I have outlined in this thread.
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #93 on: June 23, 2011, 07:53:20 PM »
Matt, it's the internet....Turn off the computer, walk away, go chill with your kids...

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #94 on: June 23, 2011, 07:55:19 PM »
Matt, I normally only get around 10-12 pounds heavier after a contest as a rule.

I have slipped up recently (see other thread),but I generally stay pretty lean year round as just like you,I`m a smaller guy and I don`t have a huge appetite though it is humongous compared to what it once was.

As a kid I was the proverbial 98 pound weakling(literally),with the metabolism of a hummingbird and the genetics of a miniature poodle! ;D

One thing I always did which helped me to eat more was as I was sitting down to eat after training,I would think to myself,I have to eat more and I have to eat better food or all my hard work in the gym will be for naught.

I never would`ve eaten the foods as a kid that a bodybuilder needs to make progress but I forced myself to all the while thinking that if I did it would simply make me better which of course it will and it did.

Do some cardio if you are trying to increase food intake (all I ever do is walk on an inclined treadmill for 30-45 minutes,sometimes less depending on my goals or how I`m looking or feeling),don`t let too much of your new weight just be useless fat.

you are one strong fucker and another 10-15 pounds of mass will make you incredibly stronger.

I must say though,go light at times and try to perfect your form.

Oh another thing,any organization that allows hitching a deadlift and calling it a good lift needs to be shut down.

Powerlifting was once a great sport until all the suits and bridging annd helping hands from spotters etc. etc. entered the picture.

I`d rather bench a legit 300 pounds that 500 with some fucking suit because it`s just not a true indication of my real strength.

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« Reply #95 on: June 23, 2011, 07:58:29 PM »
Matt, it's the internet....Turn off the computer, walk away, go chill with your kids...

You know what Methyl Mike, you're absolutely right.  No matter how you cut it, I'm here at home with my loving family right now and that's really all that matters to me.  :)  I posted videos and pictures and I guess I can't control what people think about me one way or the other.  Great post and thank you for putting things in perspective.
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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #96 on: June 23, 2011, 08:02:05 PM »
You know what Methyl Mike, you're absolutely right.  No matter how you cut it, I'm here at home with my loving family right now and that's really all that matters to me.  :)  I posted videos and pictures and I guess I can't control what people think about me one way or the other.  Great post and thank you for putting things in perspective.
It`s only the internet bro!

I bust your ass a lot,but I don`t really have any malice towards you at all........we just don`t see eye to eye on tons of things.

Did I just type that..........another Clomid moment!  ;D

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #97 on: June 23, 2011, 08:18:19 PM »
... any organization that allows hitching a deadlift and calling it a good lift needs to be shut down.
what does this entail?

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #98 on: June 23, 2011, 08:20:57 PM »
Thanks Tim, I really appreciate the advice.  I feel like my training is going great but that my appetite has failed me.  I could honestly eat 1,200 calories a day and feel perfectly fine.  More than that, I feel that I could train hard and get a lot accomplished on that many calories.  Some people who hang out with me are stunned at how little I eat while still feeling perfectly fine.  It's been that way my entire life.  Food has always been my issue.  When I was force-feeding a little, I was able to maintain around a 180 pound physique but since reverting to nature, I hold around 160 or so.  My goal would be to be somewhere in the area of 175-180 with a slightly better body composition and I believe that is realistic as long as I can eat.

Maybe I should consider this thread a challenge and see if I can come back on here in a few months and post some progress photos and see where I'm at.  Tell me something Tim - are the photos you post sustainable?  Or is that just how you look close to a contest but different year round?  I obviously don't expect to look like you did in contest, but I do want to try to figure out what level of conditioning is sustainable and set realistic goals.  I am pretty keen on setting realistic goals, hence the strength goals I have outlined in this thread.

Killing it with the hair in the second picture haahah

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Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
« Reply #99 on: June 24, 2011, 02:25:03 AM »
Just wondering, is MattC a troll?