Author Topic: Need some cheap nootropic blend that I can put together (Read 14219 times)

Doug_Steele · « **Reply #25 on:** July 24, 2011, 09:20:09 PM »

Quote from: dr.chimps on July 24, 2011, 05:30:27 PM

Why don't you just make sure your paying your bills, and your make sure your credit card payments are on time. You should have no need for any exotic $500 T.V.'S, which probably won't work.

pluck · « **Reply #26 on:** July 24, 2011, 10:03:02 PM »

Quote from: Methyl Mike on July 24, 2011, 08:39:05 PM

SHOULDN'T but man, some of the asians in my class, it's like they NEVER freaking struggle! I have to work really hard to get this material, and I get ok grades, but when I hear teach say 2 students got 105/106 pts on the last exam, it really dampens my spirit...Makes me feel stupid...I bust my ass to get decent B's on these exams, and that's nothing you know...I hope some of these products can even me up. I KILL biology, english, physics...But for some reason chemistry is really tough for me, just like upper division math...

That's gonna happen in every math and science class you'll ever take.

If you're getting Bs then you're fine. I got straight Cs in organic and general...could've studied harder but I was so unmotivated and disinterested that I didn't give a fuck.

But if you're planning on going to grad school...whatever that is. You will need to know this shit on the entrance exams.

suckmymuscle · « **Reply #27 on:** July 24, 2011, 11:14:57 PM »

Quote from: Methyl Mike on June 22, 2011, 07:50:36 PM

Brain being turned to mush in chemistry, need help. Cannot retain this much info nor stay attentive for 7 straight hours. I don't remember what is out there, tyrosine and what else? Help appreciated...

  Royal jelly for the acetylcholine and highly bioavailable pyridoxal phosphate, which is the most effective vitamin B6, for dopamine synthesis. You could try choline but it is not as efective as acetylcholine.

  Magnesium glycinate for dopamine synthesis and NMDA receptor antagonism

  Velvet bean extract for l-dopa. Don't take l-tyrosine because it boosts norepinephrine production but hampers dopamine production, and dopamine is the prefered amine.

  N-acetyl cysteine and alpha-lipoic acid to curb the increased oxidative stress that results from increasing l-dopa intake

  Piracetam for nicotinic receptor agonism and increased dopamine production

  No stimulants at all for a month so that your D2 dopamine receptors and A2 adrenergic receptors can rebound and also to store neurotransmitters.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #28 on:** July 24, 2011, 11:24:23 PM »

Quote from: pluck on July 24, 2011, 10:03:02 PM

That's gonna happen in every math and science class you'll ever take.

If you're getting Bs then you're fine. I got straight Cs in organic and general...could've studied harder but I was so unmotivated and disinterested that I didn't give a fuck.

But if you're planning on going to grad school...whatever that is. You will need to know this shit on the entrance exams.

Thanks, makes me feel a little better. I made the mistake of taking gen1 as a 6 week summer course, bad idea! Will do better in gen2 and ochem for sure.

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #29 on:** July 24, 2011, 11:27:40 PM »

Quote from: suckmymuscle on July 24, 2011, 11:14:57 PM

Royal jelly for the acetylcholine and highly bioavailable pyridoxal phosphate, which is the most effective vitamin B6, for dopamine synthesis. You could try choline but it is not as efective as acetylcholine.

  Magnesium glycinate for dopamine synthesis and NMDA receptor antagonism

  Velvet bean extract for l-dopa. Don't take l-tyrosine because it boosts norepinephrine production but hampers dopamine production, and dopamine is the prefered amine.

  N-acetyl cysteine and alpha-lipoic acid to curb the increased oxidative stress that results from increasing l-dopa intake

  Piracetam for nicotinic receptor agonism and increased dopamine production

  No stimulants at all for a month so that your D2 dopamine receptors and A2 adrenergic receptors can rebound and also to store neurotransmitters.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Whats your take on piracetam vs pramiracetam? Oxiractam or aniracetam?

Provigil or the intermediary Adrafinil?

Only stim I am taking, aside from caffeine, is DMAA. I am taking oxy-elite pro. Do I need to cut that for a month?

How much velvet bean?

Your advice is a bit different from what I have been hearing, will research...

suckmymuscle · « **Reply #30 on:** July 24, 2011, 11:40:38 PM »

Quote from: Methyl Mike on July 24, 2011, 11:27:40 PM

Whats your take on piracetam vs pramiracetam? Oxiractam or aniracetam?

All the racetams work more or less the same via nicotinoc receptor agonism and choline turnover, with the only difference being potency per miligram, but I think that piracetam is much cheaper and only slightly less potent than other racetams. The cost/benefit favors piracetam.

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Provigil or the intermediary Adrafinil?

Provigil.

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Only stim I am taking, aside from caffeine, is DMAA. I am taking oxy-elite pro. Do I need to cut that for a month?

As far as amines with sympathomimetic activity goes, DMAA is one of the safest. And even though it stimulates the A2 adrenergic receptor, it doesen't seem to have much dopamine agonism nor to inhibit l-tyrosine hydroxylase and l-dopa carboxylase like amphetamines, so I wouldn't be worried about it. But it is hard to recover fully from stimulant abuse by taking any adrenergic compounds. My advice is to stop it.

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How much velvet bean?

Shoot for about 50 mg of l-dopa a day. The standardization difers.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Dr Dutch · « **Reply #31 on:** July 25, 2011, 04:35:54 AM »

Provigil will be the best choice....says Dr Dutch. Plus caffeine.

dr.chimps · « **Reply #32 on:** July 25, 2011, 06:49:59 AM »

Pfft. If it's just one class, and sciences are easier than arts in this manner, just profile the prof/and or class. Get the last 5-6 year's worth of exams/midterms from the library, if the profs been there a while. If he/she hasn't get notes and exams/tests from a previous year's student and blast those, all with an eye to the last 5-6 year's stuff. Undergrad science classes are pretty much the same, format-wise, and regiment-wise, tho the tests may have different wordings, and the textbooks may be different, etc.

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #33 on:** July 25, 2011, 06:51:53 AM »

Quote from: dr.chimps on July 25, 2011, 06:49:59 AM

Pfft. If it's just one class, and sciences are easier than arts in this manner, just profile the prof/and or class. Get the last 5-6 year's worth of exams/midterms from the library, if the profs been there a while. If he/she hasn't get notes and exams/tests from a previous year's student and blast those, all with an eye to the last 5-6 year's stuff. Undergrad science classes are pretty much the same, format-wise, and regiment-wise, tho the tests may have different wordings, and the textbooks may be different, etc.

Thanks, and you have a good point.

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #34 on:** July 25, 2011, 06:53:05 AM »

Quote from: suckmymuscle on July 24, 2011, 11:40:38 PM

All the racetams work more or less the same via nicotinoc receptor agonism and choline turnover, with the only difference being potency per miligram, but I think that piracetam is much cheaper and only slightly less potent than other racetams. The cost/benefit favors piracetam.

  Provigil.

  As far as amines with sympathomimetic activity goes, DMAA is one of the safest. And even though it stimulates the A2 adrenergic receptor, it doesen't seem to have much dopamine agonism nor to inhibit l-tyrosine hydroxylase and l-dopa carboxylase like amphetamines, so I wouldn't be worried about it. But it is hard to recover fully from stimulant abuse by taking any adrenergic compounds. My advice is to stop it.

  Shoot for about 50 mg of l-dopa a day. The standardization difers.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Is provigil worth the extra money??? It's ridic expensive...THanks for the reply.

Dr Dutch · « **Reply #35 on:** July 25, 2011, 06:55:30 AM »

Find a MD to prescribe it. Don't ask me though.

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #36 on:** July 25, 2011, 07:15:56 AM »

SMM- when you say the racetams work through nicitonic antagonism, does that mean they would replace tobacco as a source of nicotine? I dip and would love to find a replacement! I dip before I study and before I lift, seems to help immensely...

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #37 on:** July 26, 2011, 08:00:03 PM »

So I have a chemistry final thursday for general chemistry- covering 10 chapters...I feel confident, but also somewhat intimidated...SMM what do you advise???

Necrosis · « **Reply #38 on:** July 28, 2011, 12:57:56 PM »

Quote from: Methyl Mike on July 25, 2011, 07:15:56 AM

SMM- when you say the racetams work through nicitonic antagonism, does that mean they would replace tobacco as a source of nicotine? I dip and would love to find a replacement! I dip before I study and before I lift, seems to help immensely...

they don't all work the same, aniracetam for example regulates glutamate levels more so the piracetam and nefiracetam has significant effect on test in rats and has an gabaergic component the others do not share. Then you have leviracetam which is actually a potent anti-convulsant medication that will dampen your cognitive effects through a very poorly understood mechanism.

i would suggest piracetame because it's cheap and hydrophillic with a longer halflife. Aniracetam is better imo but is lipophillic and requires multiple doses throughout the day. I would say that while they may look good on paper piracetam always agitates me after several days of dosing and i cannot really use it at certain times (when im taking stims).

The rest of suckys comments are spot on and would be good choices, i would suggest pretty much the same to be honest.

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #39 on:** August 04, 2011, 06:20:17 PM »

Quote from: Necrosis on July 28, 2011, 12:57:56 PM

they don't all work the same, aniracetam for example regulates glutamate levels more so the piracetam and nefiracetam has significant effect on test in rats and has an gabaergic component the others do not share. Then you have leviracetam which is actually a potent anti-convulsant medication that will dampen your cognitive effects through a very poorly understood mechanism.

i would suggest piracetame because it's cheap and hydrophillic with a longer halflife. Aniracetam is better imo but is lipophillic and requires multiple doses throughout the day. I would say that while they may look good on paper piracetam always agitates me after several days of dosing and i cannot really use it at certain times (when im taking stims).

The rest of suckys comments are spot on and would be good choices, i would suggest pretty much the same to be honest.

Thanks dude, for some reason I did not see this post.

Doses for Royal Jelly Mg Glycinate and the Piracetam?

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #40 on:** August 04, 2011, 11:35:10 PM »

SMM/Necrosis, mind giving this the once over? I am cash poor so this is a big deal to me. I appreciate all of your guy's advice and help!!!!

Royal Jelly needs to be taken how much/often?

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=royal+jelly&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=1550549530288525320&sa=X&ei=9Yw7Tu7DLaPYiAL8rpjkCw&ved=0CJYBEPMCMAQ

Mg Glycinate- same question as above

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&safe=off&pwst=1&q=magnesium+glycinate&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=740&bih=406&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=11630746736644945833&sa=X&ei=K407TryAEcLZiAL6wbz_Cw&ved=0CIIBEPMCMAI

Dopa Macuna-

http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-26056-now-foods-dopa-mucuna-mood-support-90-capsules?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=fpl&utm_term=NOWFoodsDOPAMucunaMoodSupport90Capsules&utm_content=75743&utm_campaign=googlebase&site=google_product_listing_ads&adtype=pla&kw={keyword}&gclid=COKOsJLDt6oCFQgLbAodqlzUDA&

The piracetam I am still sourcing, stuff is getting hard to find!

If anyone knows of a piracetam supplier please let me know...

Benoitlapierre · « **Reply #41 on:** August 04, 2011, 11:51:25 PM »

Quote from: Methyl Mike on August 04, 2011, 11:35:10 PM

SMM/Necrosis, mind giving this the once over? I am cash poor so this is a big deal to me. I appreciate all of your guy's advice and help!!!!

Royal Jelly needs to be taken how much/often?

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=royal+jelly&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=1550549530288525320&sa=X&ei=9Yw7Tu7DLaPYiAL8rpjkCw&ved=0CJYBEPMCMAQ

Mg Glycinate- same question as above

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&safe=off&pwst=1&q=magnesium+glycinate&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=740&bih=406&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=11630746736644945833&sa=X&ei=K407TryAEcLZiAL6wbz_Cw&ved=0CIIBEPMCMAI

Dopa Macuna-

http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-26056-now-foods-dopa-mucuna-mood-support-90-capsules?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=fpl&utm_term=NOWFoodsDOPAMucunaMoodSupport90Capsules&utm_content=75743&utm_campaign=googlebase&site=google_product_listing_ads&adtype=pla&kw={keyword}&gclid=COKOsJLDt6oCFQgLbAodqlzUDA&

The piracetam I am still sourcing, stuff is getting hard to find!

If anyone knows of a piracetam supplier please let me know...

i think piracetam now ban at least in canada

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #42 on:** August 04, 2011, 11:52:21 PM »

Quote from: Benoitlapierre on August 04, 2011, 11:51:25 PM

i think piracetam now ban at least in canada

Yeah it's banned here as well. I found a couple online retailers that have it, see if I can get it. I suppose now would be a good time to stock up.

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #43 on:** August 05, 2011, 10:41:10 AM »

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #44 on:** August 06, 2011, 05:12:11 PM »

bump?

chaos · « **Reply #45 on:** August 06, 2011, 05:15:36 PM »

Keep doing bumps, dopehead.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #46 on:** August 06, 2011, 05:28:41 PM »

L-Dopa you could buy pure a while ago. If I were to take it I would go with that instead of an herbal extract.
Haven't looked into it recently but saw discussions on bb.com.

Boosting mental performance is tricky. A little too much of a product can have the oppoite effect. I would add one product at a time, not throw a bunch of stuff at it all at once.

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #47 on:** August 06, 2011, 06:02:04 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on August 06, 2011, 05:28:41 PM

L-Dopa you could buy pure a while ago. If I were to take it I would go with that instead of an herbal extract.
Haven't looked into it recently but saw discussions on bb.com.

Boosting mental performance is tricky. A little too much of a product can have the oppoite effect. I would add one product at a time, not throw a bunch of stuff at it all at once.

What would you start with? Piracetam?

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #48 on:** August 06, 2011, 06:42:20 PM »

Quote from: Methyl Mike on August 06, 2011, 06:02:04 PM

What would you start with? Piracetam?

I don't know. I tried a couple of bottles of Piracetam. Took that with Lecithin as a Choline source.
Can't say I noticed much. Haven't tried much else simply because they aren't available here.

I would be careful L-dopa and such because they can potentially cause psychiatric diturbances.

One drug I did try is Modafinil and I liked it. Not a Nootropic per se but good if you're tired. can't get it anymore and it's classified as
a narcotic here so I'm not going to try to order it online. Shouldn't be classified IME. Didn't notice any effects that would have recreational value.

Necrosis · « **Reply #49 on:** August 06, 2011, 07:11:11 PM »

Quote from: Methyl Mike on August 06, 2011, 06:02:04 PM

What would you start with? Piracetam?

sorry dude im away from home and not really privy to a computer, so piractam is like 1-2 grams per day as a starter. Mag glycinate i would go up to 600-900 mgs a day. The royal jelly i cant recall the dosage for mental acuity off the top of my head.

Probably worth looking into zinc and a decent choline source like citocholine.