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Re: need some cheap nootropic blend that I can put together
« Reply #50 on: August 06, 2011, 10:21:40 PM »
sorry dude im away from home and not really privy to a computer, so piractam is like 1-2 grams per day as a starter. Mag glycinate i would go up to 600-900 mgs a day. The royal jelly i cant recall the dosage for mental acuity off the top of my head.

Probably worth looking into zinc and a decent choline source like citocholine.


I thought the Royal Jelly was for choline?

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« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2011, 04:47:05 PM »

I thought the Royal Jelly was for choline?

it might have lecithin but the mechanism is glial growth, neurotrophic factors and anti-inflammatory and anti-oxidant effects.

It may have some cholinergic effects, if you find anything post it up,im unsure if its substantial.

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« Reply #52 on: August 07, 2011, 04:50:03 PM »
it might have lecithin but the mechanism is glial growth, neurotrophic factors and anti-inflammatory and anti-oxidant effects.

It may have some cholinergic effects, if you find anything post it up,im unsure if its substantial.

Is lecithin a good choline source or would you get choline citrate or something?

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« Reply #53 on: August 07, 2011, 06:31:08 PM »
Is lecithin a good choline source or would you get choline citrate or something?

lecithin is fine, its just that cdp or citocholine increases serotonin and dopamine neurotransmission so its more then just choline, thats why i stated it. For just a choline donor lecithin is fine.

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Re: need some cheap nootropic blend that I can put together
« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2011, 09:41:31 PM »
lecithin is fine, its just that cdp or citocholine increases serotonin and dopamine neurotransmission so its more then just choline, thats why i stated it. For just a choline donor lecithin is fine.

Thank you! Thread over, I have my answers (finally). Will probably update once I procure said nootropic stack and give her a whirl. Next semester begins in early sept, so around that time I will update for sure. I am hopeful  :)

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Re: Need some cheap nootropic blend that I can put together
« Reply #55 on: August 07, 2011, 10:12:07 PM »
  I wouldn't take choline with racetams due to risk of excessive stimulation of nicotinic receptors and neurotoxicity. If you take choline, refrain from taking dopaminergics as choline already increases dopamine turnover and too much dopamine synthesis/accumulation significantly increases oxidative stress.

  If you put together a nootropic blend that includes choline, then I would recommend staking it with low doses of a trycyclic like amytriptline or other. MAOIs are even better at resoring brain levels of catecholamines and indolamines, but they are too dangerous in my opinion. It is particularly difficult to take them following a bodybuilding diet.

  Avoid choline and antidepressants and just take racetams with Magnesium glycinate or gluconate which have very high bioavailability, and load up on neurotransmitter precursors. I don't recommend l-tyrosine because it boosts norepinephrine synthesis at the expense of dopamine, and the latter is the preferred amine. Take instead d,l-phenylalanine which favors dopamine or very low doses of l-dopa. i don't recommend l-dopa because it increases oxidative stress significantly, but it is safe in low doses.

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Re: Need some cheap nootropic blend that I can put together
« Reply #56 on: August 08, 2011, 03:20:54 AM »
Avoid fluoride toothpaste and fluoridated tap water. Fluoride lowers your IQ.

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Re: Need some cheap nootropic blend that I can put together
« Reply #57 on: August 08, 2011, 11:56:57 AM »
Avoid fluoride toothpaste and fluoridated tap water. Fluoride lowers your IQ.

  First, you should have capitalized the word Fluoride since it is derived from Fluorine which is an element of the Periodic Table and one of the fundamental building blocks of matter.

  As for it lowering IQ, so does Iron, and it is essential for life. I agree that Fluroride is not necessary, but stop with the hyperbolic statements. People who make these absurd claims are the same who claim that aspartame makes you blind as a bat and that MSG kills brain cells.

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Re: Need some cheap nootropic blend that I can put together
« Reply #58 on: August 08, 2011, 12:31:12 PM »
  First, you should have capitalized the word Fluoride since it is derived from Fluorine which is an element of the Periodic Table and one of the fundamental building blocks of matter.

No, he shouldn't have.. you are wrong as usual.  We know english is your 5th language and all  ::), but don't be such a fucking tool.

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Re: Need some cheap nootropic blend that I can put together
« Reply #59 on: August 09, 2011, 07:16:33 PM »
Does anyone like the looks of this stack? Seems much easier to just buy a pre-capped product. I would add DMAA/Provigil/Caffeine to it

http://www.nootropichub.co.uk/All-in-One-Nootropic-Mix-Capsules/All-in-One-Nootropic-Mix-Capsules.html

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Re: Need some cheap nootropic blend that I can put together
« Reply #60 on: August 12, 2011, 03:21:59 PM »
 I wouldn't take choline with racetams due to risk of excessive stimulation of nicotinic receptors and neurotoxicity. If you take choline, refrain from taking dopaminergics as choline already increases dopamine turnover and too much dopamine synthesis/accumulation significantly increases oxidative stress.

  If you put together a nootropic blend that includes choline, then I would recommend staking it with low doses of a trycyclic like amytriptline or other. MAOIs are even better at resoring brain levels of catecholamines and indolamines, but they are too dangerous in my opinion. It is particularly difficult to take them following a bodybuilding diet.

  Avoid choline and antidepressants and just take racetams with Magnesium glycinate or gluconate which have very high bioavailability, and load up on neurotransmitter precursors. I don't recommend l-tyrosine because it boosts norepinephrine synthesis at the expense of dopamine, and the latter is the preferred amine. Take instead d,l-phenylalanine which favors dopamine or very low doses of l-dopa. i don't recommend l-dopa because it increases oxidative stress significantly, but it is safe in low doses.

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Acta Pol Pharm. 2005 Sep-Oct;62(5):405-9.
Piracetam--an old drug with novel properties?
Winnicka K, Tomasiak M, Bielawska A.
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Department of Drug Technology, Medical University of Białystok, 1 Kilińskiego Str., 15-089 Białystok, Poland.
Abstract
Piracetam (2-oxo-1-pyrrolidine-acetamide), the most common of the nootropic drugs, is a cyclic derivative of gamma-aminobutyric acid. The treatment with piracetam improves learning, memory, brain metabolism, and capacity. Piracetam has been shown to alter the physical properties of the plasma membrane by increasing its fluidity and by protecting the cell against hypoxia. It increases red cell deformability and normalizes aggregation of hyperactive platelets. Piracetam is an agent with antithrombotic, neuroprotective and rheological properties. The interaction of this molecule with the membrane phospholipids restores membrane fluidity and could explain the efficacy of piracetam in various disorders ranging from dementia and vertigo to myoclonus and stroke.

This study in full text talks about how it improve ach function at the receptor through ligand binding. What exactly this means we are unsure, however, i do like your advise as it does err on the cautious side. People often cite choline usage because piracetam is said to deplete choline, as in increase turnover thus supplementing would allow the benefits to remain. I have tried both ways and like adding choline, from a safety standpoint i would say if it is to become a staple in a stack then choline may have negative effects. Its actually really hard to say, the dat ajust isnt there

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Re: Need some cheap nootropic blend that I can put together
« Reply #61 on: August 12, 2011, 04:17:27 PM »
So for the time being I am going with Soy Lecithin granules from GNC and NOW Dopa Mucuna and ordering as much piracetam as I can get my hands on. Also going to pick up the Mg glycinate. I also am looking for a good Krill source, if anyone knows of one please let me know.