Just started my first cycle.

[Swlabr]

whats your bodyfat % at?

About 9-10%, 180 lbs @ 6 foot.

[wes]

First cycle= test only

Why waste money and gear when test will do a great job alone for a first timer?

[Swlabr]

Would you guys recommend keeping the deca and masterona for a second cycle, and just do test at a higher dose?

[wes]

Would you guys recommend keeping the deca and masterona for a second cycle, and just do test at a higher dose?

Test at 500 alone...save the other shit,use your head!

[no one]

Test at 500 alone...save the other shit,use your head!

this.

your bodyfat is too high for the masteron to show what it does anyway.

[wes]

He`ll make awesome gains with just the test for now.

He could take a ton of shit but it would simply be `tupid! 

[Swlabr]

Excellent, thanks a lot, guys. Will ditch the deca and mast for now, get some more test and do that at 500 mg a week.

Thanks!

[wes]

Happy growing! 

[DK II]

Happy growing! 

[Captain Equipoise]

Make sure your test ratio is 2:1 or at least 1.5:1

so either 450mg/week or 600

otherwise deca dick will set in and you will be limp

[cross-of-iron]

Make sure your test ratio is 2:1 or at least 1.5:1

so either 450mg/week or 600

otherwise deca dick will set in and you will be limp

I used to believe that this would apply to me but i've run npp and tren together with no test and my dick hardness and performance was at an all time high. I don't recommend that though unless you want to look incredible and have energy all day and night.  

[IrishMuscle84]

First cycle= test only
Why waste money and gear when test will do a great job alone for a first timer?

Agreed. I aint no aas expert but id say do a 3-4 month cycle. Correct me if im wrong BUT TEST takes about 30 days/ a month too REALLY get in your system/when you TRULY start too feel it working/noticing strength when training, again correct me if im wrong. Ive done only 1 cycle of AAS and that was back in 08. Pharma Med Techs' Test Cypianate.

[WillGrant]

i get that. but what kind of results do you think 100mg of masteron is going to do?

if your going to follow gh15's advise., then follow it. its not meant to be followed half assed. dont think taking 100mg of masteron is going to do anything cause it wont. your wasting your time.

This.. 300mg absolute min - you are just shooting oil into yourself thats going to do nothing - waste of space in the syringe..Even 300mg is low..it doesnt matter if its your first cycle or not - bump that test to - to low for real bb results - 500mg is a starting dose for BB for a reason.

Good luck , train hard and enjoy 

[Meso_z]

"2:1" ratio...."deca dick". rofl. 

[abijahmaniaco]

I'll be doing a cycle tonight,

cold water,xl load,all darks.....if I have time I might do a cycle of whites next,medium load,cold water again.I have bleach but I'm scared to use it.

lmao...

[abijahmaniaco]

Would I be able to get away with 200 mg/week, as I'm a beginner, or is that 300 mg/week for beginners?

Thanks!

good first stack. yes, 200 will be what you want.

from William Llewellyn's Anabolics:
for physique- or performance-enhanncing purposes, this drug is usually injected three times per week. the total weekly dosage is typically 200-400 mg, which is taken for 6-12 weeks. this level of use is sufficient to provide measurable gains in lean muscle mass and strength.

[WillGrant]

good first stack. yes, 200 will be what you want.

from William Llewellyn's Anabolics:
for physique- or performance-enhanncing purposes, this drug is usually injected three times per week. the total weekly dosage is typically 200-400 mg, which is taken for 6-12 weeks. this level of use is sufficient to provide measurable gains in lean muscle mass and strength.

but in the real world ? come on man 200mg of mast is rubbish - also as its classed as a "hardening" compound he wont notice much till he drops under around the 8% mark in most peoples cases.if he is wanting to put size on stick to the size builders and leave mast till its time to cut - and 400mg and up is a starting point for mast in the real world .

[abijahmaniaco]

i side with llewelyn:

"the recommended approach to AAS use is to limit drug intake to the lowest levels necessary to achieve the next rational goal. More aggressive cycles should not be attempted unless one is sure they cannot achieve the results needed on a more moderate program."

he'll have plenty of opportunities to up the dosage for successive cycles if so desired.

[abijahmaniaco]

"2:1" ratio...."deca dick". rofl. 

yeah, i've never heard of using a 2:1 ratio. i was slamming 750 mg of each (or at least 600 mg of deca) per week last cycle. sex drive has never been higher. was also on dbol though.

[WillGrant]

llewelyn has a very very conservative approach to gear doses - of course you should start at the lower dose but 200mg of mast will do shit and is a waste - 400mg is a better starting dose for it - it is not a strong drug - just like primo is a cool drug but needs to be run at 700mg to 1grm to see real BB results otherwise its a waste - you dont put this drug in your body to not see the results in the mirror - 200mg of mast will do nothing and thats truth.

[abijahmaniaco]

ok. i get what you're saying. but dose effectiveness also has a lot to do with body weight and quantity of lean mass, correct? so what i'm saying is you may look at this dose and scoff at it being probably a big guy and aas veteran. but this kid might be under 150lbs for all we know. for example i know a 17 yr old who started juicing at about 125 lbs. so dose may be appropriate depending on weight, body composition, and desired results.

[abijahmaniaco]

bodybuild is all hormonas,, i keep tellin you fellsa,,  no hormonsa = no bdybuild

rm15 approved,,

QFT lol

[WillGrant]

6 ft 180pd @ 9-10 % I think he said he was - Thats lean if he is correct in giving those numbers - not contest cut but lean none the less - at his height he should be aiming at incresing lean mass - so using the drugs that give you size - build some quality mass over the next couple of years then look to playing with mast imo

[io856]

congratulations , you ll soon be living in a constant state of complete bliss, unlimited hapiness and everyone will love you and your problems will disapear instantly.

in pain...

[Swlabr]

Thanks a lot for the information, fellas.

I've decided to up the test to 500 mg/week, and to drop the masterona, as it would be a waste at such a low dose and my body fat level.

One more question - would deca at 300 mg/week be a good addition or just a waste?