Thank you Greece...

[Fury]

...for once again proving that socialism never works.  








In other news, Barack Obama hopes to emulate this "successful" model.

[Soul Crusher]

The far left commies in this country will react the same way when their binky is taken away and they actually have to work.

[newmom]

The far left commies in this country will react the same way when their binky is taken away and they actually have to work.

Binky...LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO O

[Skip8282]

Yep, and their European brethrens are going to continue pushing money their way.  Even if they meet the demands to get the money, it's still par for the course.

[Fury]

Yep, and their European brethrens are going to continue pushing money their way.  Even if they meet the demands to get the money, it's still par for the course.

The Greek PM is holding a gun to his head and screaming, "Give me the money or the Greek gets it!" and the Europeans are doing just that. All in an attempt to save the failed EU.

[Soul Crusher]

I think they are collectively holding out for a bigger bailout by us and the chinks later when they are all on fire. 

[Fury]

I think they are collectively holding out for a bigger bailout by us and the chinks later when they are all on fire. 

They're playing it brilliantly. They know that the authoritarians in Brussels will do anything they can to save the EU and are going to throw all the money they can muster at the Greeks.

It's all about unity. I'm sure the Germans and French won't mind working a few more days every year so the Greeks can continue collecting their 14-monthly paychecks.

[Skip8282]

 I'm sure the Germans and French won't mind working a few more days every year so the Greeks can continue collecting their 14-monthly paychecks.

Ever been there?  Nice people, great food - but they are some lazy, lazy, lazy ass motherfuckers.

[kcballer]

Lazy?  They work on average more hours than the US - 2,052 to 1,797 per year.  I would argue corruption, tax evasion and poor lending practices as the reason for the debt crisis.  Certainly not this fallacy of laziness.  Where do you make this stuff up from? 

[Fury]

Lazy?  They work on average more hours than the US - 2,052 to 1,797 per year.  I would argue corruption, tax evasion and poor lending practices as the reason for the debt crisis.  Certainly not this fallacy of laziness.  Where do you make this stuff up from?  

I knew Getdumb's favorite socialist would be sniffing around this thread without fail.

Sitting around and doing nothing of value might work for the study you're referencing but it doesn't equate to actual work, which is why these dead-beat good-for-nothings are in this situation. Even funnier is that most Europeans will tell you the Greeks are beyond lazy but you carry on in fantasy land. Works so well for you.

70% of the workforce employed by the govt = recipe for disaster.

So, once again, thank you Greece for proving socialism doesn't work.

I'll have to dig up kcdipshit's quote from a few weeks ago praising European socialism. Hahaha!

[240 is Back]

I love to argue... but I really can't find any defense point for greece in this one.

most of us work our asses off, in one way or another, 7 days a week.  I just took 2 days off without my computer, and holy crap, it was insanely nice.

if greek people enjoy this all the time, well, they need to deal with the financial consequences of doing so.  without US help.

[kcballer]

I knew Getdumb's favorite socialist would be sniffing around this thread without fail.

Sitting around and doing nothing of value might work for the study you're referencing but it doesn't equate to actual work, which is why these dead-beat good-for-nothings are in this situation. Even funnier is that most Europeans will tell you the Greeks are beyond lazy but you carry on in fantasy land. Works so well for you.

70% of the workforce employed by the govt = recipe for disaster.

So, once again, thank you Greece for proving socialism doesn't work.

I'll have to dig up kcdipshit's quote from a few weeks ago praising European socialism. Hahaha!

Hahaha sorry don't let facts hit you in the arse on the way out.  Greeks worked more hours per week than the US, they have their problems for sure and i'm betting they will default, but putting in hours at work is not one of them.  Tax evasion? Yep, Too much Debt?  You bet!  Laziness?  Uh the 'facts' don't support that.

BTW sweden norway and denmark are pretty decent countries and all are 'welfare' economies and ones i was referencing but hey don't let a skewed quote and vague statements like 'most europeans' hahaha doofus!

[Fury]

Hahaha sorry don't let facts hit you in the arse on the way out.  Greeks worked more hours per week than the US, they have their problems for sure and i'm betting they will default, but putting in hours at work is not one of them.  Tax evasion? Yep, Too much Debt?  You bet!  Laziness?  Uh the 'facts' don't support that.

BTW sweden norway and denmark are pretty decent countries and all are 'welfare' economies and ones i was referencing but hey don't let a skewed quote and vague statements like 'most europeans' hahaha doofus!

70% of Greeks work for the govt. in some shape or form. They can claim they work 5000 hours a year and it won't change the fact that they are dead-beats who produce nothing of value, hence their current situation. You go ahead and reference your study and ill stick to the worldwide consensus that the Greeks are among the laziest scumbags on the planet.

If they're such hardworkers then they should have no problem working these debts off. Hahaha, yeah right.

Thank you Greece for once again proving that socialism doesn't work.

[Straw Man]

70% of Greeks work for the govt. in some shape or form. They can claim they work 5000 hours a year and it won't change the fact that they are dead-beats who produce nothing of value, hence their current situation. You go ahead and reference your study and ill stick to the worldwide consensus that the Greeks are among the laziest scumbags on the planet.

If they're such hardworkers then they should have no problem working these debts off. Hahaha, yeah right.

Thank you Greece for once again proving that socialism doesn't work.

and I think that figure is double what it was 10 or 15 years ago

they also retire early and tax evasion is a national pastime

they also got the Goldman Sachs treatment which no doubt exacerbated their underlying problems:
http://www.businessinsider.com/goldman-sachs-shorted-greek-debt-after-it-arranged-those-shady-swaps-2010-2

[Kazan]

70% of Greeks work for the govt. in some shape or form. They can claim they work 5000 hours a year and it won't change the fact that they are dead-beats who produce nothing of value, hence their current situation. You go ahead and reference your study and ill stick to the worldwide consensus that the Greeks are among the laziest scumbags on the planet.

If they're such hardworkers then they should have no problem working these debts off. Hahaha, yeah right.

Thank you Greece for once again proving that socialism doesn't work.

And that is the point how the fuck is 30% of the population supposed to support the other 70% if they work for the government. Where does the government get it's money? Taxes

[kcballer]

70% of Greeks work for the govt. in some shape or form. They can claim they work 5000 hours a year and it won't change the fact that they are dead-beats who produce nothing of value, hence their current situation. You go ahead and reference your study and ill stick to the worldwide consensus that the Greeks are among the laziest scumbags on the planet.

If they're such hardworkers then they should have no problem working these debts off. Hahaha, yeah right.

Thank you Greece for once again proving that socialism doesn't work.

Oh so you have no proof of your claims about them being lazy?  What a surprise. 

I have actual proof of my claim.  It's not conjecture.  Greece has many problems, laziness in the workforce is not one of them. 

[Skip8282]

Oh so you have no proof of your claims about them being lazy?  What a surprise. 

I have actual proof of my claim.  It's not conjecture.  Greece has many problems, laziness in the workforce is not one of them. 

No, you don't have proof - as was the case before, you have numbers that you don't understand and don't know how to use.  Whether your using Eurstat or OECD or whatever, a direct comparative analysis can't be made.  It's really simple but seems to be well over your head. 

There are differing methodologies for collecting the data and different premises by which a country counts actual work hours.  ALL of the primary databases that collect such data warn of making such comparative analyses.

If you really want to educate yourself, look into internal and external validity as well as generalizing when it comes to basic (and yes, this is basic) research methods.


I lived in Greece for a couple of years.  They have the equivalent of a Mexican Siesta (forget the name now), but basically the whole fucking country comes to a crawl in the afternoon.  Hell, I can remember Greek soldiers lounging at cafes on the beach for hours at a time.  All but guarantee that's be counting as part of their work day.  And being along side of them, I know they didn't stay late and make up the time.

When you're capable of providing a study that utilizes the same methodology in all countries, does not rely on each country to "self-report", and meets the basic criteria of objectivity - then you'll have "proof".

Since most of this is way, way, way above your head - I'll simply conclude with - you're wrong, as usual.

[Soul Crusher]

Kc thinks a society can be built upon unuinized hair dressors getting retirement at 52 yo.

[Fury]

No, you don't have proof - as was the case before, you have numbers that you don't understand and don't know how to use.  Whether your using Eurstat or OECD or whatever, a direct comparative analysis can't be made.  It's really simple but seems to be well over your head. 

There are differing methodologies for collecting the data and different premises by which a country counts actual work hours.  ALL of the primary databases that collect such data warn of making such comparative analyses.

If you really want to educate yourself, look into internal and external validity as well as generalizing when it comes to basic (and yes, this is basic) research methods.


I lived in Greece for a couple of years.  They have the equivalent of a Mexican Siesta (forget the name now), but basically the whole fucking country comes to a crawl in the afternoon.  Hell, I can remember Greek soldiers lounging at cafes on the beach for hours at a time.  All but guarantee that's be counting as part of their work day.  And being along side of them, I know they didn't stay late and make up the time.

When you're capable of providing a study that utilizes the same methodology in all countries, does not rely on each country to "self-report", and meets the basic criteria of objectivity - then you'll have "proof".

Since most of this is way, way, way above your head - I'll simply conclude with - you're wrong, as usual.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Skip with the slam dunk as usual. Great stuff.

The funniest thing is this asshole actually thinks that Greeks work 300 more hours a year than Americans, a country widely perceived as workaholic. Not only does that, his "2052 hours" would put Greeks at #2 in the WORLD for most hours worked per year. Does he honestly think they work more than the rest of Europe, Japan, USA and other countries viewed as workaholic? Fucking twat.

Talk to any Kraut, Frog or northern European and they'll tell you just how "hardworking" your average Greek is.

And that is the point how the fuck is 30% of the population supposed to support the other 70% if they work for the government. Where does the government get it's money? Taxes

Dodging taxes is the national past time in Greece so that remedy is out the window.

[Skip8282]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Skip with the slam dunk as usual. Great stuff.

The funniest thing is this asshole actually thinks that Greeks work 300 more hours a year than Americans, a country widely perceived as workaholic. Not only does that, his "2052 hours" would put Greeks at #2 in the WORLD for most hours worked per year. Does he honestly think they work more than the rest of Europe, Japan, USA and other countries viewed as workaholic? Fucking twat.

Talk to any Kraut, Frog or northern European and they'll tell you just how "hardworking" your average Greek is.


Dodging taxes is the national past time in Greece so that remedy is out the window.

I agree, IMO that's exactly how we are perceived and I've had European friends asking me what the point is, you only get one life, etc., etc.

The Greeks are generally very laid back and typically easy going (the riots aside).  But there's no way in hell I'll buy that they are extremely hard working.  Another thing that amazed me was the sheer number of Australians that came to Greece to live.  So many, it was just like WTF?

[kcballer]

No, you don't have proof - as was the case before, you have numbers that you don't understand and don't know how to use.  Whether your using Eurstat or OECD or whatever, a direct comparative analysis can't be made.  It's really simple but seems to be well over your head. 

There are differing methodologies for collecting the data and different premises by which a country counts actual work hours.  ALL of the primary databases that collect such data warn of making such comparative analyses.

If you really want to educate yourself, look into internal and external validity as well as generalizing when it comes to basic (and yes, this is basic) research methods.


I lived in Greece for a couple of years.  They have the equivalent of a Mexican Siesta (forget the name now), but basically the whole fucking country comes to a crawl in the afternoon.  Hell, I can remember Greek soldiers lounging at cafes on the beach for hours at a time.  All but guarantee that's be counting as part of their work day.  And being along side of them, I know they didn't stay late and make up the time.

When you're capable of providing a study that utilizes the same methodology in all countries, does not rely on each country to "self-report", and meets the basic criteria of objectivity - then you'll have "proof".

Since most of this is way, way, way above your head - I'll simply conclude with - you're wrong, as usual.

Good post, it is self reported like every other country.  However, i do not believe the Greeks are as lazy as they are perceived.  Perhaps the real number is less, i go on the statistics i have not stories of people who visited once or 'heard from someone'. 

Until you have proof otherwise the statistical model however flawed will trump any anecdotes and conjecture.

[Soul Crusher]

Good post, it is self reported like every other country.  However, i do not believe the Greeks are as lazy as they are perceived.  Perhaps the real number is less, i go on the statistics i have not stories of people who visited once or 'heard from someone'. 

Until you have proof otherwise the statistical model however flawed will trump any anecdotes and conjecture.

  

The fact that they are on hand and knee begging for bailouts speaks for itself no? 

[kcballer]

 

The fact that they are on hand and knee begging for bailouts speaks for itself no? 

It speaks to poorly managed debt. 

[kcballer]

 

The fact that they are on hand and knee begging for bailouts speaks for itself no? 

Do you blame American workers for our debt crisis?  Or just the government?

[Soul Crusher]

It speaks to poorly managed debt. 

Why is that?   How can you manage debt when everyone is on handouts and loafing around and not producing anything?