Michele Bachman = the reson we never ever have a woman president hahh

[roccoginge]

Check your facts and post them union boy. Even thats true, it's the lazy majority of those people who would rather tax the wealthy more (even though they pay the most) to get what they think they deserve because ....again, they don't have the incentive to do more. A lot of these are the same people who can go out by 5000.00 rims and tires on a Mercedes but complain they can't afford health insurance.

The people that buy rims and mercedes are not contributing by voting, nor taxes.  You are a jerk off of epic proportions.  Do you realize there are a plethora of white hillbillies milking the system also?  I'm white and part of my family migrated to Ohio from West Virginia.  You are so misguided.  Hey, you run a personal training business, right?  Or is it to launder funds from anabolics?  No matter to me, and I'm just kidding about that.  You're not that rich, please stop trying to act like it by blindly siding with the cocksuckers.

[cephissus]

1. I didn't inherit shit, I started with NOTHING. It was myself and my son when I went into my business full time. I received no loans from anyone, not an SBA and nothing from family.

2. Yes, cephissis (sp) anyone can run a business IF THEY WANT TOO!

So if everyone wanted to run a business, everyone could?

Think about it... a business requires employees, people on the bottom.  Any "getting ahead" in this life, "climbing up the social ladder," or ascending the hierarchy requires you to pass people by, to leave them in the dust.

If the top 2% are business owners, they will not allow the remaining 98%, who somehow just woke up today and thought "gee i'm going to be the boss and create commodities and take the profits" to realize their dreams.  They are going to do everything in their power to keep them down in the dirt, so that they can continue leading comfortable, wealthy lives.

It's not just a matter of willpower (which, like you said, could even be lacking), it's simply not possible for everyone to work their way up in the world.  Life is a power struggle, and whether you notice it or not, others want you to fail so that they can succeed.  Everyone can't be a successful business owner.

And besides, the "everybody wins" delusion belongs to the socialists! 

[roccoginge]

So if everyone wanted to run a business, everyone could?

Think about it... a business requires employees, people on the bottom.  Any "getting ahead" in this life, "climbing up the social ladder," or ascending the hierarchy requires you to pass people by, to leave them in the dust.

If the top 2% are business owners, they will not allow the remaining 98%, who somehow just woke up today and thought "gee i'm going to be the boss and create commodities and take the profits" to realize their dreams.  They are going to do everything in their power to keep them down in the dirt, so that they can continue leading comfortable, wealthy lives.

It's not just a matter of willpower (which, like you said, could even be lacking), it's simply not possible for everyone to work their way up in the world.  Life is a power struggle, and whether you notice it or not, others want you to fail so that they can succeed.  Everyone can't be a successful business owner.

Listen, It's not that hard, with very little start up cash, you can open a business.  I opened a car dealer when I was 21.  I started with 15K, and 5 cars.  It grew very fast.  In one year I had over 100K in inventory.

[Coach is Back!]

No rocco I'm not rich, my business does well but "rich" needs to be defined. According to want Obama and his administration wants to do, I guess I'm considered "rich" or at least my business is. And you hit right on the head, those are the people who do not contribute but buy expensive cars, jewlery and needless crap like that instead of taking care of their own.

[cephissus]

Listen, It's not that hard, with very little start up cash, you can open a business.  I opened a car dealer when I was 21.  I started with 15K, and 5 cars.  It grew very fast.  In one year I had over 100K in inventory.

Congrats bud.  Did you ever think of the necessary personal qualities, education, and market conditions which contributed to your miraculous success?  What's "not that hard" is to understand that these conditions aren't universal, nor can they be.

Also, LOL @ "very little start up cash" and "I started with 15k, and 5 cars" in the same post.

[Coach is Back!]

There hundreds of thousands of people who start with nothing and become something or at least provide a comfortable living for themselves and family. There is all kinds of guidence out about business for people to access IF THEY WANT TOO.

[cephissus]

There hundreds of thousands of people who start with nothing and become something or at least provide a comfortable living for themselves and family. There is all kinds of guidence out about business for people to access IF THEY WANT TOO.

And?  Plenty will try, and plenty will fail.  Some will not even bother, but would likely fail anyway.  Some will not bother who would likely succeed.  In the end, you can't look at people who fail and say it is because they simply "don't want to work hard."  You're just adding insult to injury.  You injured them by beating them in the market, and now you're pissing on them because the government wants to take some of your money to ensure they don't starve.  Jeez, talk about ruthless!

[roccoginge]

Congrats bud.  Did you ever think of the necessary personal qualities, education, and market conditions which contributed to your miraculous success?  What's "not that hard" is to understand that these conditions aren't universal, nor can they be.

Also, LOL @ "very little start up cash" and "I started with 15k, and 5 cars" in the same post.

Well, look at Coach, how much did he need to start?  Honestly, I started with one car in college,  sold it and bought two,  sold them and bought four.  I had an in to the car  business though.  I paid a guy whom was willing to help me, and let me buy cars through his license for a hundred dollars a car.  There are always creative ways to do things, just think outside the box.  Never let racism, pessimism, or other things to cloud your judgement.  There are good and bad in all types you would be surprised who will be willing to help you.

[Coach is Back!]

Busness is a risk and it has to be a risk you're willing to take. Most successful people fail over and over again before they get it right. But if you research, put a plan together and stick to it you greatly reduce that risk. I love what I do and know how to succeed in it.

[roccoginge]

And?  Plenty will try, and plenty will fail.  Some will not even bother, but would likely fail anyway.  Some will not bother who would likely succeed.  In the end, you can't look at people who fail and say it is because they simply "don't want to work hard."  You're just adding insult to injury.  You injured them by beating them in the market, and now you're pissing on them because the government wants to take some of your money to ensure they don't starve.  Jeez, talk about ruthless!

I've always said, there is no such thing as failure, you just haven't succeeded yet.  You need to learn from pryor mistakes though.  Also, no one will run your business like you, trust no one.  All the payroll taxes, and what not, are easy to learn.  Payroll taxes will kill you sometimes, especially if you have salesman making 50K per year or more.

[roccoginge]

Busness is a risk and it has to be a risk you're willing to take. Most successful people fail over and over again before they get it right. But if you research, put a plan together and stick to it you greatly reduce that risk. I love what I do and know how to succeed in it.

Cool, me too, I just like putting a positive vibe out there.  I'm always willing to help someone, advice, connections, etc., there's enough money out there for everyone.

[cephissus]

Well, look at Coach, how much did he need to start?  Honestly, I started with one car in college,  sold it and bought two,  sold them and bought four.  I had an in to the car  business though.  I paid a guy whom was willing to help me, and let me buy cars through his license for a hundred dollars a car.  There are always creative ways to do things, just think outside the box.  Never let racism, pessimism, or other things to cloud your judgement.  There are good and bad in all types you would be surprised who will be willing to help you.

As I said before, good for you!  Seriously!  But let's look at your post.

You state you "had an in to the car business," and had the impulse to "pay a guy who was willing to help" you get good capital for cheap.  You state you need to be a creative thinker ("there are always creative ways to do things") and have good judgment ("never let racism .. cloud your judgment).

What would you have done without your "in"?  Okay, so maybe that door is closed but with your creativity I'm sure there are plenty of others... but what if you aren't particularly creative, or have poor judgment and take a bad risk and lose everything?  What bothers me about this discussion is that people always use their own success as an example of hard work and motivation conquering all, yet are perfectly happy to discount the many personal aptitudes and favorable circumstances that also contribute to their success.

[roccoginge]

One of my sayings used to be, "There's so many idiots, it makes it easier for the rest of us.".  I've since changed, estrogen levels are up. haha.

[cephissus]

One of my sayings used to be, "There's so many idiots, it makes it easier for the rest of us.".  I've since changed, estrogen levels are up. haha.

That's the truth though!

And yet once coach takes advantage of these people's laziness and stupidity (which allow him to have a thriving business) he turns around and insults them, imploring they make something of their lives.

If it were me, I would be thankful they aren't making their own businesses and putting me out of a job, ie taking all of my money instead of just my share of their unemployment checks.

[Coach is Back!]

That's the truth though!

And yet once coach takes advantage of these people's laziness and stupidity (which allow him to have a thriving business) he turns around and insults them, imploring they make something of their lives.

If it were me, I would be thankful they aren't making their own businesses and putting me out of a job, ie taking all of my money instead of just my share of their unemployment checks.

What?? How do I do that??

[oldtimer1]

Her name is Michele Bachmann.  If she misspelled Obama's name you would brand her a moron.   She must be a real threat for all the liberals to brand her stupid.  The media doesn't care if Obama says one of his many stupid things like 57 states, corpse man, and "On Memorial day we honor our fallen heros; many of them I see here today."  They don't care about all the stupid stuff coming out of Biden's mouth.  They don't care when Hillary Clinton claims she was ducking gun fire at an airport when the found video shows a little girl in her Sunday best greeting her.  

The left is resorting to their usual method of using any and all media to brand a threat as stupid.  

[cephissus]

Check your facts and post them union boy. Even thats true, it's the lazy majority of those people who would rather tax the wealthy more (even though they pay the most) to get what they think they deserve because ....again, they don't have the incentive to do more. A lot of these are the same people who can go out by 5000.00 rims and tires on a Mercedes but complain they can't afford health insurance.

Any way you cut this statement, you are calling the majority (or at least a very large portion) of Americans lazy freeloaders who would "rather tax the wealthy more" because they "think they deserve [this money]" instead of (you imply) going out and working hard, starting their own businesses, etc.

In reality it is these people's subpar performance in the marketplace which leaves room for those (such as yourself) who excel -- or your excellent performance which leaves no room for them, whichever way you want to look at it.  If there was even enough room in this world for them to all have good jobs... well, that would be called "socialism"...

[Mr. Magoo]

I'm not sure if I want to reread this entire thread

Is Coach losing? If he is, then I'll let it go 

Stick with the weightlifting coach

[The Abdominal Snoman]

No rocco I'm not rich, my business does well but "rich" needs to be defined. According to want Obama and his administration wants to do, I guess I'm considered "rich" or at least my business is. And you hit right on the head, those are the people who do not contribute but buy expensive cars, jewlery and needless crap like that instead of taking care of their own.

There are no possessions that truly belong to you. Your kids really aren't yours. You're obligated to take care of them for a certain period of time but they belong to the "system". The "Hierarchy" controls everything. Including everyone's marriage. Step out of the "imaginary" line and see how fast they swoop in and take control.

The guys who last in this business are the guys who fly straight "Low Key", real quiet...The guys who want it all, the chicks, the champagne and the flash, well they don't last Tony.

[Marty Champions]

Trust funds

what about?

[roccoginge]

As I said before, good for you!  Seriously!  But let's look at your post.

You state you "had an in to the car business," and had the impulse to "pay a guy who was willing to help" you get good capital for cheap.  You state you need to be a creative thinker ("there are always creative ways to do things") and have good judgment ("never let racism .. cloud your judgment).

What would you have done without your "in"?  Okay, so maybe that door is closed but with your creativity I'm sure there are plenty of others... but what if you aren't particularly creative, or have poor judgment and take a bad risk and lose everything?  What bothers me about this discussion is that people always use their own success as an example of hard work and motivation conquering all, yet are perfectly happy to discount the many personal aptitudes and favorable circumstances that also contribute to their success.

I went out for days on end talking to other owners of car dealers.  I found an American/Irishman who took a liking to me.  I'm Irish also.  He was fine with helping me.  He's was on the verge of retiring.  When I opened  my own place he sold me his key machine, and other things to help.

[roccoginge]

Long story short, my economics professor said in a lecture that none of us would ever make over 100K per year unless we were used car dealers. I was already one.  I had a good run for a couple years, so/so, now retired in the sun.  I still work occasionally, sometimes my electric bill is 1,000 dollars.

[roccoginge]

Anyways the point of all this is, fuck the stupid republicans.  I'm neither D, or R, I think they are all fucked.  The D seems to be the lesser of the two evils right now.  Who wants a candidate(puke) that would like a theocracy?  I'll go live with the taliban then.

[roccoginge]

I'm out bitches.

[Wiggs]

This c u n t will never be president...Barrack Husein Obama will retain the presidency.  I would like Ron Paul but we all know that aint happening.