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White House Economists: Stimulus Jobs Slowly Going Away


(CNSNews.com) – The jobs created or saved by the federal government’s economic stimulus spending are steadily going away, according to a report from the White House Council of Economic Advisors (CEA). As stimulus spending declines, so too does the support it provided to employment.

The report, released late on Friday, July 1, shows that stimulus spending is now supporting fewer jobs than it did in the previous two quarters – supporting approximately 2.4 million jobs in the first quarter of 2011.

According to the report, because stimulus spending is receding, the jobs estimated to have been supported by that spending are beginning to disappear as well. At the height of its effectiveness – the second and third quarters of 2010 – the CEA estimated that the stimulus was supporting 2.7 and 2.8 million jobs respectively.

When Obama signed the $787 billion stimulus spending into law -- the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) – on Feb. 17, 2009, he said, “Now, what makes this recovery plan so important is not just that it will create or save 3.5 million jobs over the next two years, including 60,000-plus here in Colorado.  It's that we're putting Americans to work doing the work that America needs done -- in critical areas that have
been neglected for too long; work that will bring real and lasting change for generations to come.”

The CEA said the federal spending had caused employment to be higher than what it would normally have been without the stimulus, arguing that the jobs’ figures it presented reflected the number of jobs created or saved by the federal spending.

“In terms of direct impact on employment and GDP, the ARRA was intended to stop the economic slide and to be temporary stimulus to fill part of the substantial hole in aggregate demand left by the crisis,” the report said.

However, the CEA also noted that as stimulus spending declined, so too would its impact on jobs, meaning that the stimulus would support fewer and fewer jobs.

“The Act was designed to have a peak cumulative impact in the second half of 2010,” reads the report.  “Because the ARRA was not designed to be permanent, these outlays and tax reductions will decline over time and thus the impact on GDP and employment are phasing down.”

In other words, because stimulus spending was always designed to be temporary, so too were the jobs it supported, meaning there will be fewer and fewer jobs supported by government spending in the future.

In all, the stimulus is supporting 288,000 fewer jobs than it did at its peak, indicating that the program intended to cushion the effects of the recession may be contributing to it instead. According to the report, the economy added only 165,000 jobs in 2011 Q1 and 141,000 in 2010 Q4 – a total of 306,000 new jobs in the past six months.

The CEA admits that job creation is barely positive, saying that, on average, the economy only created 117,000 jobs per month from March 2010 to March 2011 – the end of 2011 Q1. The CEA also admitted that the economy is not growing at a normal post-recession rate.

“Real GDP is below its normal path and, despite recent declines, the unemployment rate remains elevated,” says the report. “Monthly job growth averaged 117,000 for the twelve months ending March 2011, and while more robust growth is needed, this is movement in the right direction.”

All of the jobs estimates produced by the CEA do not reflect actual jobs created by the stimulus. Instead, they reflect the CEA’s estimate of the effect of government spending on the economy generally.

The only figure the government has that comes close to counting the number of jobs created or saved by the stimulus is the self-reporting done by stimulus recipients. The CEA rejects these reports because it believes they do not fully account for the secondary effects of stimulus spending on the economy.

In other words, the CEA argues that employer-provided jobs data do no reflect the secondary jobs created or saved by stimulus money with employers who sell to or service stimulus grant recipients.

Still, those figures also show the stimulus supporting fewer jobs. Those figures show that the stimulus peaked in the second quarter of 2010, accounting for 750,045 jobs created – the administration stopped asking employers to count saved jobs in 2009 because it was too difficult to count accurately.

By 2011 Q1, employer-provided data showed that the stimulus was only supporting 560,992 jobs, a difference of 189,053 jobs.

Further, the CEA report shows that employment recovered slower during the latter half of 2010 – when the stimulus was supposed to be at full effect – than it did during 2009, suggesting that while the stimulus may have cushioned the pain of the recession for some, it did not contribute significantly to job growth.

Instead, the stimulus may have only delayed, rather than prevented, layoffs from occurring, especially in state and local government, where recent layoffs have been sharpest. State and local government were among the earliest recipients of stimulus money while stimulus spending on private-sector “investments” has taken longer.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/white-house-economists-stimulus-jobs-slo



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White House Economists: Stimulus Jobs Slowly Going Away


(CNSNews.com) – The jobs created or saved by the federal government’s economic stimulus spending are steadily going away, according to a report from the White House Council of Economic Advisors (CEA). As stimulus spending declines, so too does the support it provided to employment.

The report, released late on Friday, July 1, shows that stimulus spending is now supporting fewer jobs than it did in the previous two quarters – supporting approximately 2.4 million jobs in the first quarter of 2011.

According to the report, because stimulus spending is receding, the jobs estimated to have been supported by that spending are beginning to disappear as well. At the height of its effectiveness – the second and third quarters of 2010 – the CEA estimated that the stimulus was supporting 2.7 and 2.8 million jobs respectively.

When Obama signed the $787 billion stimulus spending into law -- the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) – on Feb. 17, 2009, he said, “Now, what makes this recovery plan so important is not just that it will create or save 3.5 million jobs over the next two years, including 60,000-plus here in Colorado.  It's that we're putting Americans to work doing the work that America needs done -- in critical areas that have
been neglected for too long; work that will bring real and lasting change for generations to come.”

The CEA said the federal spending had caused employment to be higher than what it would normally have been without the stimulus, arguing that the jobs’ figures it presented reflected the number of jobs created or saved by the federal spending.

“In terms of direct impact on employment and GDP, the ARRA was intended to stop the economic slide and to be temporary stimulus to fill part of the substantial hole in aggregate demand left by the crisis,” the report said.

However, the CEA also noted that as stimulus spending declined, so too would its impact on jobs, meaning that the stimulus would support fewer and fewer jobs.

“The Act was designed to have a peak cumulative impact in the second half of 2010,” reads the report.  “Because the ARRA was not designed to be permanent, these outlays and tax reductions will decline over time and thus the impact on GDP and employment are phasing down.”

In other words, because stimulus spending was always designed to be temporary, so too were the jobs it supported, meaning there will be fewer and fewer jobs supported by government spending in the future.

In all, the stimulus is supporting 288,000 fewer jobs than it did at its peak, indicating that the program intended to cushion the effects of the recession may be contributing to it instead. According to the report, the economy added only 165,000 jobs in 2011 Q1 and 141,000 in 2010 Q4 – a total of 306,000 new jobs in the past six months.

The CEA admits that job creation is barely positive, saying that, on average, the economy only created 117,000 jobs per month from March 2010 to March 2011 – the end of 2011 Q1. The CEA also admitted that the economy is not growing at a normal post-recession rate.

“Real GDP is below its normal path and, despite recent declines, the unemployment rate remains elevated,” says the report. “Monthly job growth averaged 117,000 for the twelve months ending March 2011, and while more robust growth is needed, this is movement in the right direction.”

All of the jobs estimates produced by the CEA do not reflect actual jobs created by the stimulus. Instead, they reflect the CEA’s estimate of the effect of government spending on the economy generally.

The only figure the government has that comes close to counting the number of jobs created or saved by the stimulus is the self-reporting done by stimulus recipients. The CEA rejects these reports because it believes they do not fully account for the secondary effects of stimulus spending on the economy.

In other words, the CEA argues that employer-provided jobs data do no reflect the secondary jobs created or saved by stimulus money with employers who sell to or service stimulus grant recipients.

Still, those figures also show the stimulus supporting fewer jobs. Those figures show that the stimulus peaked in the second quarter of 2010, accounting for 750,045 jobs created – the administration stopped asking employers to count saved jobs in 2009 because it was too difficult to count accurately.

By 2011 Q1, employer-provided data showed that the stimulus was only supporting 560,992 jobs, a difference of 189,053 jobs.

Further, the CEA report shows that employment recovered slower during the latter half of 2010 – when the stimulus was supposed to be at full effect – than it did during 2009, suggesting that while the stimulus may have cushioned the pain of the recession for some, it did not contribute significantly to job growth.

Instead, the stimulus may have only delayed, rather than prevented, layoffs from occurring, especially in state and local government, where recent layoffs have been sharpest. State and local government were among the earliest recipients of stimulus money while stimulus spending on private-sector “investments” has taken longer.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/white-house-economists-stimulus-jobs-slo



Straw Man says that this can be rectified by giving Obama trillions more to waste!  ::)

nothing a few more tax cuts can't fix

btw ----  trillions??

it cracks me up how Repubs are suddenly so concerned about deficits and the sovereignty of nations harboring terrorist, etc..

all the shit that didn't give a rats ass about when they were in power and pissing our money away

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it cracks me up how Dems are suddenly so concerned about deficits and the sovereignty of nations harboring terrorist, etc..

all the shit that didn't give a rats ass about when they were in power and pissing our money away







What does your idiotic point have to do with Obama's stimulus? Let's not forget that you're the same asshole who claimed Obama didn't spend enough.

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By tax cuts you're referencing the Paul Ryan Budget Plan, correct?

The plan where rates would be lowered but a large amount of corporate/private loopholes, shelters, etc would be closed? More or less the same tax code reform that was pushed by the bi-partisan Deficit Reduction Committee?

Or are you referencing the further cut to the payroll tax that Obama has rolled out of the crypt, because the first one did such a good as well? You mean that tax cut?

And to be honest, taxes shouldn't be cut anymore unless major reform, and I mean major and meaningful reform is conducted. Cut the subsidies, cut the corporate welfare, broaden the tax base and close the holes and tax shelters. No more Cayman Island accounts, no more "Double Irish Cream", none of it. Major donating constituencies can go fuck themselves.

Further tax cuts or whatnot would be just as big a failure as further stimulus spending.

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By tax cuts you're referencing the Paul Ryan Budget Plan, correct?
The plan where rates would be lowered but a large amount of corporate/private loopholes, shelters, etc would be closed? More or less the same tax code reform that was pushed by the bi-partisan Deficit Reduction Committee?

Or are you referencing the further cut to the payroll tax that Obama has rolled out of the crypt, because the first one did such a good as well? You mean that tax cut?

And to be honest, taxes shouldn't be cut anymore unless major reform, and I mean major and meaningful reform is conducted. Cut the subsidies, cut the corporate welfare, broaden the tax base and close the holes and tax shelters. No more Cayman Island accounts, no more "Double Irish Cream", none of it. Major donating constituencies can go fuck themselves.

Further tax cuts or whatnot would be just as big a failure as further stimulus spending.

not sure if you're talking to me but I was make a facetious reference to the stimulus package that was ~ 35-40% tax cuts

we also have the extension of the Bush Tax cuts that already costs us a trillion and produced no jobs

My real problem is with Repubs who didn't make a peep when they were raising the debt ceiling under Bush and pissing our money away like drunken sailors and now suddenly they are the fiscal hawks who care about our financial well being.

I'm not buying it

Perhaps if they introduced some legislation of their own that was aimed at improving the ecoomy or the jobs situation I might take them seriously

most recently they Repubs just backed out of trade negotions with South Korea which woudl have helped our economy

I have not wanted to believe it but I think the Repubs actually want to harm the economy (and 95% of the population) as a gambit to imrpove their chances in 2012.   

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/dems-dig-in-gop-trying-to-sabotage-economy-on-purpose/2011/03/03/AGnrHetH_blog.html

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Dem spending has made Bush look like he was in the minors. How fucking sad is that?

Thanks to the pig-headed Dems, spending as a percentage of GDP, which historically averages roughly 18-19% of GDP (and which Bush was within striking distance of), has since ballooned to over 23% of GDP, which is completely unsustainable.

Why is someone from California, a bankrupt state swimming in tens of billions of dollars in debt, lecturing others on spending? You continue to vote for the grifters that have destroyed the world's 8th largest economy and you think you're in a position to lecture others on economic issues?

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Dem spending has made Bush look like he was in the minors. How fucking sad is that?

Thanks to the pig-headed Dems, spending as a percentage of GDP, which historically averages roughly 18-19% of GDP (and which Bush was within striking distance of), has since ballooned to over 23% of GDP, which is completely unsustainable.

Why is someone from California, a bankrupt state swimming in tens of billions of dollars in debt, lecturing others on spending? You continue to vote for the grifters that have destroyed the world's 8th largest economy and you think you're in a position to lecture others on economic issues?

false

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Hey straw - can you tell me how jobs are created?

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Hey straw - can you tell me how jobs are created?

Ask all the Republican Governors and congressmen/woman who talked about how it created/saved jobs in their states

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Oh man, you sure showed me. Thanks for proving just how naive and uninformed you are. Shocking for a Bay-area liberal.

Either way, stop derailing this thread. Either discuss the fucking article in the OP or fuck off.

This thread isn't about the little stiffy you pop every time you think about the GOP. It's about the nearly trillion dollar Obama stimulus that created a few useless jobs that are now vanishing. The same stimulus that an asshole like yourself claimed wasn't large enough.




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Ask all the Republican Governors and congressmen/woman who talked about how it created/saved jobs in their states

Like perry? 

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Like perry? 

no

he just took the Stim money to balance his budget

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Like perry?  

Are you talking about Texas, the business-friendly state that has produced 50% of all US jobs in the last two years or California, Straw Man's home state, 8th largest economy in the world and 49th out of 50th in terms of "friendliness" towards businesses, which has lost 1,000 jobs and is looking more like Greece every day?

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Are you talking about Texas, the business-friendly state that has produced 50% of all US jobs in the last two years or California, Straw Man's home state, 8th largest economy in the world and 49th out of 50th in terms of "friendliness" towards businesses, which has lost 1,000 jobs and is looking more like Greece every day?

US is nothing like Greece but if you think we are then I guess we should impose the same austerity measures, includign the tax hikes

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US is nothing like Greece but if you think we are then I guess we should impose the same austerity measures, includign the tax hikes

Where did I reference the US? It appears that reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

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Only difference is that Greece does not have the magical counterfeiting machine like we do. 

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Where did I reference the US? It appears that reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

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is CA not part of the US

have you not bitched about how f'd up the US is hundreds of times?

If you had a clue you'd realize that CA gives more to the Federal government than they get back

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is CA not part of the US

have you not bitched about how f'd up the US is hundreds of times?

If you had a clue you'd realize that CA gives more to the Federal government than they get back

That's great and all but the point you make here doesn't address 33386's main argument.

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That's great and all but the point you make here doesn't address 33386's main argument.

what is 333's main argument?

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Without the ability to print counterfeit dollars via the fed reserve, we would be in far worse shape than greece.

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Without the ability to print counterfeit dollars via the fed reserve, we would be in far worse shape than greece.

that was your main argument ?

didn't we do that during the entire Bush administration too ?

haven't you already admitted multiple times that your "solution" of doing nothing would have made the situation even worse

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In the immediate short term yes, but in the longer term we would have purged the system of the mal investment, bad actors, bad debt, etc and got back to a viable sustainable situation. 

Obama only blew the problem into a bigger bubble and looming fiscal crisis to where we will hjave to bail out the tbtf banks once again.

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In the immediate short term yes, but in the longer term we would have purged the system of the mal investment, bad actors, bad debt, etc and got back to a viable sustainable situation. 

Obama only blew the problem into a bigger bubble and looming fiscal crisis to where we will hjave to bail out the tbtf banks once again.

or we would have been plunged into a much deeper recession with much worse consequences

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Like what?  By every measure we are worse off.