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Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« on: July 06, 2011, 01:24:41 PM »
Clinton took office in 1992, and he supported the assault weapons ban in 1994.

Then, Bush let americans sit at risk for 3 1/2 years by not repealing the act on DAY ONE of his presidency.  Expired via sunset provision in 2004.

So the fact of the matter is this:  Under 75% of Clinton's presidency, and under 40% of Bush's presidency, we have sat underneath the assault weapons ban.

What % of Obama's presidency have we endured the assault weapons ban?  ZERO.



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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2011, 01:26:27 PM »
Oh lord.   

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2011, 01:30:45 PM »
That weak sauce, even for you 120
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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2011, 01:31:36 PM »
Oh lord.  

 ;D

i love a good argument.   What date will obama's version of the Brady Bill take place?

or, if not, could it be that both Clinton AND Bush infringed upon our rights to own high-caps and AR15s, but Obama did not?

Wouldn't that be some weird stuff?

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2011, 03:40:20 PM »
LOL what you love is to stick your head repeatedly up obamas ass...

thats not arguing bro

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2011, 03:42:42 PM »
LOL what you love is to stick your head repeatedly up obamas ass...

thats not arguing bro

240's just being a good American by swallowing Obama's loads. Doing his part to make it so there's one less janitor sucking a pension out of the system on the taxpayer dole.

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2011, 04:04:54 PM »
It's a valid question from 240, especially since everyone went apeshit buying guns and saying that Obama was going to take them all away.  Remember how many were absolutely sure Obama was going to take everyone's guns away? 

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2011, 04:14:26 PM »
Operation fast and furious hugo.  Case closed.

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2011, 06:02:59 PM »
Operation fast and furious hugo.  Case closed.
I don't think that closes the case.  And I'm actually not going to jump out and say Obama is some shinning beacon for the 2nd Amendment because he is not.  I was just pointing out 240's argument is not irrelevant especially in light of how so many acted like we wouldn't even have guns by now.  There should be better replies than stuff like, "weak sauce" and "Oh Lord".  With the mad rush to buy up guns right after Obama got in office...  240 has a valid point.  Rather than laugh it off, why not just post stuff that shows otherwise.

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2011, 06:28:43 PM »
Health care took a lot longer than expected as did cap n trade. 

After the absolute nuke job those treasonous pofs bill did to the dems, they did not want to add more fuel to the tea party fire for the mid terms. 

After the nuking the dems got in the mid terms, there is no chance a awb2 has a chance in the house so the communist traitor obama knows its all pain no gain tp push it now. 

Simple as that.  Wither way, the operation fast and furios is far worse than iran contra and hopefully will send the communists in the admn to jail, from obama on down.

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2011, 06:28:59 PM »

240 has a valid point. 



Not really.  The basic assumption he's alledging is that Bush could have repealed the law "on day one".

Generally, a repeal requires 2/3 of the House and Senate.  Even when the Republicans had full control in 2003, they did not have the 2/3 necessary.

And, it was Obama himself who campaigned on renewing the ban.  He's backed off (and props to him for that).

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2011, 06:32:35 PM »
As far as I know, Team Dildo (Captained by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton) are still planning on further destroying our sovereignty next year by allowing the UN's Small Arms treaty to destroy the 2nd amendment.

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2011, 07:02:40 PM »

Not really.  The basic assumption he's alledging is that Bush could have repealed the law "on day one".

Generally, a repeal requires 2/3 of the House and Senate.  Even when the Republicans had full control in 2003, they did not have the 2/3 necessary.

And, it was Obama himself who campaigned on renewing the ban.  He's backed off (and props to him for that).
good post.


Side Note:  Bush supported the Assault weapons ban anyway....

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2011, 09:25:36 PM »
Holy shit -

During his 2000 campaign, Bush said he supported the current ban

Read more: Why does Bush support 'assault weapon' ban?
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=18295#ixzz1ROFxEsN1

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2011, 09:30:05 PM »
Holy shit -

During his 2000 campaign, Bush said he supported the current ban

Read more: Why does Bush support 'assault weapon' ban?
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=18295#ixzz1ROFxEsN1


Bush and Obama - same shit different asshole. 

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2011, 09:31:57 PM »
Bush could have TRIED to repeal it - and FORCED the dems to confirm it (In a POST-911 world! haha)

NO WAY in the world, with the whole USA vigilant against their muslims living next door, would moderate dems have voted to keep such a ban on guns.

Sorry yall.... Bush liked the bill and kept it, made no effort to stop it in an era where he probably would have won.  Obama had a bulletproof "pass anything you want" house and senate, which he DID use to shove obamacare down the throats.  He left guns alone.  Not even a watered-down version of the brady bill.


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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2011, 09:34:02 PM »
So are we all in agreement - in their ACTIONS - Bush kept the AWB in place for almost half of his presidency.  Obama had a bulletproof congress to pass anything, and didn't touch it.


But hey, the "Obama wants our guns" sure got guys like 333386 to spend a shitload of $ on bloated gun prices in Nov 2008, remember?  ;)

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2011, 01:12:12 PM »
I'm ecstatic 240 was the last to post. 240 did u vote for this assbag in a mistaken belief he was a centrist and your still holding out hope he's not the anti-american assbag we have been telling u he is. I think u thought it was hip to vote for him



example, his well-known disdain for those who cling to God and guns.) But before exploring Mr. Obama’s actual second term intentions for the Second Amendment, it will be instructive to review his record on the issue. This list is not in any way exhaustive:
 
(1) In 1996, then Illinois state Senator Obama answered a gun control questionnaire. He wrote that he supported a complete ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of handguns and “assault weapons,” and also supported mandatory waiting periods and background checks. During the 2008 campaign, candidate Obama denied ever filling out the questionnaire, despite the fact that it was completed in his handwriting. FactCheck.org confirmed that he had, in fact, filled out the questionnaire. [source A]
 
(2) In 1998, Mr. Obama expressed his support for a complete ban on the sale or transfer of all semi-automatic firearms. He supported increasing state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms — this in Illinois, one of the only two states that to this day bans concealed carry. [source A]
 
(3) The 1998 Joyce Foundation annual report revealed that Mr. Obama was a member of its board of directors. The Joyce Foundation is one of the largest sources of funding for anti-gun groups and for anti-gun “research.” [source 7]
 
(4) In 1999, the Chicago Defender reported that Mr. Obama wanted to ban the resale of police issued firearms, even for the purpose of buying new equipment. [source 4]
 
(5) In 1999, Mr. Obama endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition. This was obviously intended to increase the price of gun ownership so drastically as to make it unaffordable for most Americans. [source 4]
 
(6) In 1999, Mr. Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within five miles of a school or park. This was a reasonable sounding scheme that would have had the effect of banning nearly every gun store in America. [source 8]
 
(7) In 1999, the Chicago Defender also reported that Mr. Obama favored mandatory firearm training for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for everyone under 21. [source 4]
 
(8) In 2000, Mr. Obama cosponsored a bill that limited firearm purchases to one per month. The bill failed. He also voted against allowing citizens to violate local weapon bans where self-defense was involved. [source A]
 
(9) In 2004, Mr. Obama voted for an Illinois Senate bill that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. While this might seem to be at odds with every political stance he had taken on the issue, it was later revealed that at the time he was fighting his Republican opponent for the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police. His support for the bill was almost certainly cynical political pandering rather than an indication of any appreciation for police officers or for the rights of gun owners. [source A]
 
(10) In a 2004 Illinois Senate debate with Alan Keyes, Mr. Obama said: “I think it is a scandal that this president [Bush] did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.” [source A]

(11) In 2005, Mr. Obama voted in the U.S. Senate to ban nearly all rifle ammunition in common civilian use. [source 3]
 
(12) Mr. Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He said he would not have voted for Scalia or Thomas and voted against the confirmation of Alito and Chief Justice Roberts. [source 1]
 
(13) Mr. Obama voted to allow lawsuits against firearm manufacturers for the acts of third parties beyond their knowledge or control. Such suits were designed to destroy the domestic firearms industry. [source 2]
 
(14) Mr. Obama has consistently opposed right to carry laws. [source 6]
 
(14) A 2007 report revealed that Mr. Obama supported a ban on standard capacity magazines. [source 9]

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-future-of-obamas-stealth-gun-control/2/
 
(15)  A 2008 report revealed that Mr. Obama was in favor of mandatory micro-stamping, a scheme which would significantly increase the cost of new firearms while simultaneously establishing a massive registry. Despite uniform scientific evidence that the scheme does not and cannot work, efforts to impose it continue today. [source 10]
 
(16) In 2008, ABC News reported Mr. Obama’s support for gun bans in major cities including Chicago and Washington, D.C. [source 5]
 
(17) Mr. Obama’s 2008 campaign website indicated his support for the repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the ATF from being used in nuisance lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers. This too is a battle anti-gun forces continue to fight. [source 11]
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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2011, 01:15:39 PM »
120 could care less.   Obama probably slipped him a c note in 2009 when that commie traitor came to ft. meyers and 120 devoted his undying loyalty as a result.   

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2011, 05:51:21 PM »
what legislation has obama approved SINCE TAKING OFFICE to hinder our gun rights?

Cause he rep'd shitbag ILL and chicago, a bastion of anti-gun prickery.

i live in FL.  What has he done to steal my gun rights since Jan 20, 2009?  Anything?  i don't give a shit what illionois voters allow - they're dumbasses for putting in obama over keyes to begin with.  they get what they vote for.

What has he done AS PRESIDENT?  Cause I lived under the Brady Bill for 3.5 years of Bush2 reign, and ZERO YEARS under Obama.

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2011, 05:52:19 PM »
120 could care less.   Obama probably slipped him a c note in 2009 when that commie traitor came to ft. meyers and 120 devoted his undying loyalty as a result.    

Don't worry dude, he's "conservative". Or was it libertarian now? The 45,000 posts he's logged praising Obama are all in jest.  ::)

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2011, 05:58:25 PM »
so, um, what has obama done since becoming president to impede my gun rights?


i lived under 3.5 years of anti-gun brady bill bullshit under Bush.  Nothing under Obama.


So how come we love bush on guns and hate obama on guns?  Bush could have repealed that shit in a minute after 9/11, and obama could have PASSED that shit in a minute with his bulletproof congress that even let obamacare pass.

Sorry, insult me, I get that... but you ignore my point.  What has obama done to limit my gun rights as POTUS?

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2011, 06:03:00 PM »
Who loves Bush on guns?

I certainly don't... He added the patriot act. But he DID at least let the ban expire.

No, Obama hasn't banned weapons yet, but what if he tries?

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2011, 06:29:54 PM »
Who loves Bush on guns?

I certainly don't... He added the patriot act. But he DID at least let the ban expire.

No, Obama hasn't banned weapons yet, but what if he tries?

This is 240's M.O. Deflect, deflect, deflect. Any discussion of something Obama does is derailed by this asshole and forced onto either Palin, Bush or the Repubs.

The funniest part of this is that liberals like 240 think they're actually proving something by comparing Mr. "Hope and changey", aka the anti-Bush, to Bush.

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Re: Clinton, Bush2, and Obama: Assault weapons ban
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2011, 03:18:24 PM »
so, um, what has obama done since becoming president to impede my gun rights?


i lived under 3.5 years of anti-gun brady bill bullshit under Bush.  Nothing under Obama.


So how come we love bush on guns and hate obama on guns?  Bush could have repealed that shit in a minute after 9/11, and obama could have PASSED that shit in a minute with his bulletproof congress that even let obamacare pass.

Sorry, insult me, I get that... but you ignore my point.  What has obama done to limit my gun rights as POTUS?


What point?  All your saying is Bush did nothing and Obama's done nothing.  And Bush was in office for 8 years.  Seems to me like Barry has some catching up to do.