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Re: Get the leg irons ready - Holder is going to jail for perjury.
« Reply #200 on: October 05, 2011, 06:21:58 AM »
This is a funny thread as well...


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Re: Get the leg irons ready - Holder is going to jail for perjury.
« Reply #201 on: October 05, 2011, 06:24:03 AM »
This is a funny thread as well...



200 dead mexicans, 2 dead americans, Mexican AG, disagree with you. 

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Re: Get the leg irons ready - Holder is going to jail for perjury.
« Reply #202 on: October 05, 2011, 06:26:48 AM »
200 dead mexicans, 2 dead americans, Mexican AG, disagree with you. 

im talking about your "reaction"... its hilarious.. you yelling this "go to jail" shit now...but on other issues with other members of govt..you get your marching orders and shut the fuck up. Partisan hack.. keep the laughs coming.. you are pathetic 

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Re: Get the leg irons ready - Holder is going to jail for perjury.
« Reply #203 on: October 05, 2011, 06:32:31 AM »
im talking about your "reaction"... its hilarious.. you yelling this "go to jail" shit now...but on other issues with other members of govt..you get your marching orders and shut the fuck up. Partisan hack.. keep the laughs coming.. you are pathetic 

Yawn - so instead of accepting the fact that we have a criminal AG in office running guns over the border resulting in the deaths of hundreds of people, the best excuse, and a pathetic one at that, is to toss barbs at me? 

Typical response of those who voted for this disaster. 

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Re: Get the leg irons ready - Holder is going to jail for perjury.
« Reply #204 on: October 05, 2011, 06:34:39 AM »
*YAWN*

So instead of you accepting the bet on your own claims that you parrot over and over, you instead just whine and backpedal?

Sounds like you don't believe your own bullshit yourself.

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Re: Get the leg irons ready - Holder is going to jail for perjury.
« Reply #205 on: October 05, 2011, 06:37:43 AM »
Yawn - so instead of accepting the fact that we have a criminal AG in office running guns over the border resulting in the deaths of hundreds of people, the best excuse, and a pathetic one at that, is to toss barbs at me? 

Typical response of those who voted for this disaster. 

I don't like any politician, and i know there is bullshit like this going on.. but when this same shit was brought to your attention. Shit with way more evidence (like the president admitting  to it) you dismissed it..
yeah chump.. Iran Contra and money for Drugs... your dumb ass acted like you never heard of it.. so spare me whats typical..... because that weak ass shit is old... i voted for Obama as a block against your coke sniffing cheating with black cock idol....ms dumb broad Palin. Now... again, im not talking about the Holder thing because like i said, i don't like any politician, but the fact that you're all "up in arms" about this is fucking hilarious... you fuckin chump

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« Reply #206 on: October 05, 2011, 06:45:58 AM »
Mexican AG is all up in arms over this since hundreds of citizens died as a result. 

Terrys' family is up in arms.


Hope that helps fool.   

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« Reply #207 on: October 05, 2011, 06:48:15 AM »
Mexican AG is all up in arms over this since hundreds of citizens died as a result. 

Terrys' family is up in arms.


Hope that helps fool.   

Right.. and I still dont disagree you idiot... i said i have issue with YOU!!!!! Bitching over this, but when I brought up the Iran Contra Scandal... that your hero admitted to... him self... on tv..... your ass acted like you had no clue of it ever happening... so get your weak ass partisan shit out of here

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Re: Get the leg irons ready - Holder is going to jail for perjury.
« Reply #208 on: October 05, 2011, 06:49:28 AM »
Right.. and I still dont disagree you idiot... i said i have issue with YOU!!!!! Bitching over this, but when I brought up the Iran Contra Scandal... that your hero admitted to... him self... on tv..... your ass acted like you had no clue of it ever happening... so get your weak ass partisan shit out of here


 So because something happened 30 years ago - we ignore present corruption of an even grander scale right? 

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« Reply #209 on: October 05, 2011, 06:54:10 AM »
Mexican AG is all up in arms over this since hundreds of citizens died as a result. 

Terrys' family is up in arms.


Hope that helps fool.   

Sounds like Obama will be resigning next week then.  Still time for you to make that bet.

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« Reply #210 on: October 05, 2011, 06:57:39 AM »

 So because something happened 30 years ago - we ignore present corruption of an even grander scale right? 

First off.. im not ignoring anything.. and second of all... What grander scale?... Circumventing Congress, to fund a covert war with funding coming from the illegal drugs being sold in the inner cities all across america...

Dude you have officially lost it.. if you want to argue seriously.. we can do that, but when you start throwing retarded shit like that out, it gets downright silly

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« Reply #211 on: October 05, 2011, 06:59:28 AM »
First off.. im not ignoring anything.. and second of all... What grander scale?... Circumventing Congress, to fund a covert war with funding coming from the illegal drugs being sold in the inner cities all across america...

Dude you have officially lost it.. if you want to argue seriously.. we can do that, but when you start throwing retarded shit like that out, it gets downright silly

How is F&F any different? 

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« Reply #212 on: October 05, 2011, 10:20:16 AM »
AZ Congressman: Obama admin may be ACCESSORY TO MURDER with Fast and Furious
TheDC ^ | October 5, 2011 | Matthew Boyle




Republican Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona told The Daily Caller the Obama administration officials responsible for Operation Fast and Furious might be accessories to murder.

“We’re talking about consequences of criminal activity — where we actually allowed guns to walk into the hands of criminals — where our livelihoods are at risk,” Gosar said in a phone interview. “When you facilitate that and a murder or a felony occurs, you’re called an accessory. That means that there’s criminal activity.”

Gosar said the government should be held to the same standard as everyone else. Fast and Furious weapons were used to kill U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, as well as scores of Mexican citizens, and he thinks that administration officials should be held accountable.

“We impugn the private sector, we impugn main street America, and the bureaucracy cannot be held to any different standard whatsoever,” Gosar told TheDC. “They [the Justice Department and ATF officials] intentionally — intentionally — violated the law.”


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According to Team Kenya - this is no big deal since Obama is black, something happened 30 years ago, and everyone is an accessory to murder. 

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« Reply #213 on: October 05, 2011, 10:30:30 AM »
Allen West: Obama must remove Eric Holder, or he’s complicit with Fast and Furious cover-up
The Daily Caller ^ | Oct, 5 2011 | By Matthew Boyle




Florida Republican Rep. Allen West is demanding that President Barack Obama force Attorney General Eric Holder to resign.

Appearing on Nashville radio host Steve Gill’s show last week, West said Obama would be “complicit” with what he sees as Justice Department attempts to slow down and avoid a congressional investigation into Operation Fast and Furious and Project Gunrunner if he didn’t push his attorney general to resign. “The president needs to realize that Eric Holder needs to be removed from the Department of Justice,” West said after detailing why he thinks Holder should appear before an investigative committee to testify about how the DOJ has handled its response to the Operation Fast and Furious investigation. “Or else I believe President Obama is complicit and he is in approval of the actions of his attorney general.”


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Re: Get the leg irons ready - Holder is going to jail for perjury.
« Reply #214 on: October 05, 2011, 10:58:19 AM »

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« Reply #215 on: October 05, 2011, 11:38:04 AM »
BREAKING NEWS on Fast and Furious: Slide Show Indicates Holder May Have Known in March 2010

by AWR Hawkins

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Folks, I just checked my email inbox and found an ATF slide presentation on the Fast and Furious operation that journalist Paul Thacker somehow got his hands on.

The most important thing about it – It appears to have been compiled by the ATF for use in briefing the DOJ on Fast and Furious in March 2010.

Here’s the opening slide:



Notice that the fourth item on the agenda of the first slide is listed as: “Phoenix Case – Update on a significant firearms trafficking case”

It’s important to note that Acting Deputy Attorney General at the time the briefing occurred was Gary G. Grindler, who is now Eric Holder’s Chief of Staff.

Let me ask you a serious question: If Grindler knew about Fast and Furious in March 2010, do you think there’s any way Holder didn’t also know?


In other words, do you think there’s any real chance that the guy who was to become Holder’s Chief of Staff failed to fill his boss in on the “significant firearms trafficking case”?

Remember, on May 3, 2011 Holder told the House Oversight Committee he’d only learned of Fast and Furious “over the last few weeks.”

I bet he’d like to get a do-over on that one.

You can see the entire slide show here.



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« Reply #216 on: October 05, 2011, 11:41:18 AM »
Bump - can BB merge this in to the General Obama scandal thread? 

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #217 on: October 05, 2011, 11:45:20 AM »
thanks, I remember now.  Just forgot the name.

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« Reply #218 on: October 05, 2011, 11:48:12 AM »
Bump - can BB merge this in to the General Obama scandal thread? 
why do you want to do that?  Keep this thread alive..

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« Reply #219 on: October 05, 2011, 11:48:44 AM »
why do you want to do that?  Keep this thread alive..

Yeah - its part of the larger scandal.   

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« Reply #220 on: October 05, 2011, 11:49:31 AM »
Yeah - its part of the larger scandal.   
what thread do you want it in?  The one stickied or another?

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Re: Get the leg irons ready - Holder is going to jail for perjury.
« Reply #221 on: October 05, 2011, 11:50:15 AM »
Gunwalker: House Wants Special Counsel To Investigate Eric Holder

The House Judiciary Committee will request an independent perjury investigation. (Related: CBS Reporter says White House staffer screamed at her for pursuing the Fast and Furious story.)

October 4, 2011 - 11:43 am - by Bob Owens     


http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/gunwalker-house-wants-special-counsel-to-investigate-eric-holder/?singlepage=true




That didn’t take long:

House Republicans are going to call for a special counsel to determine whether Attorney General Holder perjured himself during his testimony to the House Judiciary Committee on Operation Fast and Furious, Fox News has learned.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas, is sending a letter to President Obama arguing that Holder cannot investigate himself and will request a probe by a special counsel.

The question is whether Holder committed perjury during a Judiciary Committee hearing in May. At the time, Holder indicated he was not familiar with with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives program known as Fast and Furious.

Judiciary’s call for special counsel comes after documentation surfaced yesterday that indicated Holder was getting weekly briefs on Operation Fast and Furious, and that senior Justice Department executives were well aware that these operations were walking guns into Mexico.

So far, Holder’s PR defense is that he didn’t understand the following question: “When did you first hear about Operation Fast and Furious?”

President Barack Obama now finds himself in a complicated predicament at a time which already marks the low point of public opinion regarding his performance, and as his hopes of re-election fade. If Obama opposes the appointment of a special prosecutor for the perjury investigation (and by extension, Operation Fast and Furious and other alleged gunwalking operations), he immediately saddles his campaign with questions of obstructing a lawful and legitimate call for an independent investigation. Operation Fast and Furious will immediately become a key story for the 2012 campaign,  though it has so far been largely ignored by the media.

Likewise, President Obama seems to be in danger if he does choose to appoint a special prosecutor. Evidence to date — including direct communications between the ATF special agent running Operation Fast and Furious and White House staffers — seems to indicate that the White House was well aware of these gunwalking operations. If evidence surfaces that directly implicates President Obama himself, then a failed reelection bid may be the least of his worries.

Depending upon the breadth of the investigation, it is quite possible for a special counsel to end up investigating not just the attorney general but other senior DOJ officials, including the directors of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), the National Drug Intelligence Center (NDIC), and responsible U.S. attorneys including U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke, who recently resigned over his role in Operation Fast and Furious.

The special counsel would likewise need to investigate the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), including Secretary Janet Napolitano. U.S. Attorney Burke is a close confidant of Napolitano’s, having served as her chief of staff while she was Arizona’s governor. Agencies under her control that may have participated in gunwalking operations — such as Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the Border Patrol — could also face inquiries.

The State Department and Treasury Department — specifically the IRS Criminal Investigations Division that was part of the task forces — could also face questioning.

The possible charges and the list of those who could face them are extensive. In addition to the perjury case against Attorney General Holder, there exists the possibility of RICO cases (typically reserved for organized crime syndicates), prosecutions for violating the Arms Export Control Act, and the outside chance of prosecutions for international terrorism and treason.

This does not include any criminal charges or civil charges that would likely arise from the deaths of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and ICE Agent Jaime Zapata, or from the wounding of ICE Agent Victor Avila.

The possibility also exists that Obama administration officials may face prosecution in Mexico for contributing to the deaths of a reported 200 Mexican citizens.

It is a dangerous time to be an Obama administration insider, appointee, or operative.

(Related: CBS Reporter says White House staffer screamed at her for pursuing the Fast and Furious story.)


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« Reply #222 on: October 05, 2011, 11:51:20 AM »
what thread do you want it in?  The one stickied or another?

The stickied one is fine. 


This whole thing is surreal.   


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« Reply #223 on: October 05, 2011, 12:01:14 PM »
ATF officials demoted in latest Fast and Furious fallout
latimes.com ^ | Oct. 5, 2011 | Richard A. Serrano




Two top supervisors at ATF headquarters in Washington -- the deputy director and the assistant director for all field operations -- have been reassigned to lower-level positions as the beleaguered agency attempts to remake itself amid the fallout from a failed gun-tracking operation along the Southwest border called Fast and Furious, according to two sources briefed on the changes.

William J. Hoover, the No. 2 man at ATF, will become special agent-in-charge of the agency's Washington field office, while Mark Chait, who ran all of the field investigations around the country, is being reassigned as head of the Baltimore field office.

Thomas Brandon, who was sent to Phoenix to run the field office there and help it recover from the repercussions of Fast and Furious, will be taking Hoover's spot as deputy director.


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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #224 on: October 05, 2011, 12:02:12 PM »
Holder = Amnesia.