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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #250 on: October 06, 2011, 05:43:36 AM »
It's only a guess at this point of course.   But statements from Newell in an email seem to suggest that. 

So in other words.. you are once again trying to pass your delusional dumb ass "guess" off as a fact.

Ok, gotcha.

Now you see why you have no credibility on this board. 

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #251 on: October 06, 2011, 06:42:58 AM »
you bitch ass clinton voters were a-okay with the ATF bulldozing WACO and MELTING the door so no investigation could be done upon which way the bullets flew.

Yet suddenly, you give a shit about what they do. 

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #252 on: October 06, 2011, 07:07:46 AM »
Scandal Watch: Fast and Furious round-up
Michelle Malkin ^ | 10/5/11 | Michelle Malkin



Question: Why does Eric Holder still have a job?

Answer: Because he has thrived on incompetence, stonewalling, and corruption his entire career.

Why would the outcome of Fast and Furious be any different than all the rest of the scandals that make up his long track record of putting political interests of the public interest at the expense of public safety, conflicts of interest, and his own admissions of screwing up, then moving up.

Why is anybody surprised that Holder and his hole-ridden memory can’t recall key facts, or that he admits to not doing his job properly?

He has a long history of conveniently forgetting things and screwing things over.

Flashback:

Now, we learn that it just happened to conveniently slip Holder’s mind to mention during the Senate confirmation process that he had contributed to a legal brief with the use of federal courts in fighting terrorism on behalf of al Qaeda operative Jose Padilla:


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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #253 on: October 06, 2011, 07:12:14 AM »
you bitch ass clinton voters were a-okay with the ATF bulldozing WACO and MELTING the door so no investigation could be done upon which way the bullets flew.

Yet suddenly, you give a shit about what they do. 
who is this directed toward here? lol

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #254 on: October 06, 2011, 07:13:03 AM »
October 5, 2011
Fast and Furious: Let It Bleed
James G. Wiles

Be careful what you wish for, House Republicans, over the metastasizing Operation "Fast and Furious" scandal at the U.S. Department of Justice. You just might get it.

A Special Prosecutor, I mean. That's exactly what, as we move into the 2012 election year, the GOP shouldn't want.

From a GOP political perspective, Operation "Fast and Furious" is the kind of thing you pray to Jesus for.  A year before a national election, the story breaks that some numb nuts at Main DOJ --  the agency formerly known as ATF, to be specific -- conceived a novel idea for catching Mexican cartels (and their U.S. firearms suppliers) in illegal gun smuggling.  Here's how:  let's have the U.S. Government give the gun dealers guns so they can be smuggled.

Lots of guns -- at least count, at least 2,000 of them.

It worked too. Oh, my, how it worked.

 The US government-supplied weapons were duly purchased by the bad guys. They were then duly "walked" into Mexico. You'll never guess what happened next.

The Mexican gun cartels used the U.S.-provided guns to kill Mexicans. Lots of Mexicans. The complete death toll is still being tallied.

The Mexican government is beside itself. And ATF has a new acting head.

That's only the beginning. The paper trail for this too-stupid-to-live idea, it's emerging, leads directly into the top level of DOJ - to Attorney General Eric Holder and the head of the Criminal Division, to be precise.

Wait, I'm not done. It gets better.

The trail of e-mails also leads into the White House. and it appears that testimony by Attorney General Holder before the House Judiciary Committee about when he first knew about Operation "Fast and Furious" can reasonably be viewed as being false. In response to a question, Holder said he first heard of it only recently, when the scandal broke. Documents produced this week in response to Congressional subpoenas suggest otherwise.

Oops.

The Obama White House knows it has a real problem on its hands (another one, I mean, besides all the others). The whole thing's going viral as we speak.

In Washington-speak: this baby's got legs.

Yesterday, CBS reporter Sharyl Atkisson told Laura Ingraham on her talk radio program that both the White House and DOJ are yelling (or screaming) at her to sit down and shut up. Apparently, in the Obama White House's view, Attkisson is being  "very unreasonable."

The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times and the New York Times are all being reasonable, Attkisson said the White House spokesman screamed at her. Why can't you?

Or, as President Obama recently said to the Congressional Black Caucus: "stop complaining, stop grumbling, stop crying."

As I say, fun. Couldn't happen at a better time.

Comes now House Judiciary Committee Lamar Smith (R. Texas) to spoil our fun.

Chairman Smith yesterday called for the appointment of a Special Prosecutor to look into whether General Holder committed perjury before the Judiciary Committee when he denied knowing anything about Operation "Fast and Furious" until quite recently. The AG, Chairman Smith's press release says solemnly, has an inherent conflict of interest. He cannot, you see, investigate himself.

Well, duh, now.

God bless you, Chairman Smith. Are you still, 37 years on, seeking revenge for Watergate? Are you like what Talleyrand said about the Bourbons: you've learned nothing and forgotten nothing?

Losing in a landslide is the ultimate sanction for screwing up in office or fudging facts to Congress. That's politics -- and next year is an election year. We don't want a Special Prosecutor, operating in secret. We want a media firestorm.

Let it bleed, I say.

You think they lied to your Committee, Mr. Chairman? Fine. Help us throw the bums out. Raise holy hell about this:  call it a conspiracy at the highest levels, a culture of corruption, perjury, obstruction of justice.

Talk about a cover-up. The arrogance of power. Say it's "another Watergate."

You know what to do - pour it on! Every day,  in front on the TV cameras, on the talk shows and on the floor of the House. Deplore, condemn, express shock. Demand answers. Hold more hearings. Subpoenas, depositions.

Leak like crazy.

Not your style? Okay, pretend you're Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid: look sad and talk about how "concerned" you are.

But, please, sir, shut up about bringing in a Special Prosecutor.

An SP, Mr. Chairman, will give the Obama White House the perfect excuse to bury this thing until after the 2012 election. 

Grand jury secrecy, don't you know.  Can't talk, sorry. "We don't want to prejudice the special prosecutor's  inquiry," Presidential Secretary Jay Carney will piously intone from the White House Press Room podium. We want to, but we can't.

Wink.

"People's reputations are at risk here," the President will say. "I can't possibly comment."

Wink.

And the story will die away, just when it got legs.

Who the hell wants that?

So, please, Chairman Smith: put a sock in it. I'm sure you're a good guy. But we don't need no stinkin' Special Prosecutor. This is blood sport - and they're bleeding. We need publicity, lots of publicity, about Operation "Fast and Furious."

Let it bleed -- all over the front pages, PC's, Blackberries and plasma TV's of America.

Update: John Hinderaker at Powerline has further thoughts on the role of CBS.


William La Jeunesse has been working this story hard for FoxNews for some time, it was Sharyl Attkisson at CBS who got the scoop.   While the DOJ documents were leaked exclusively to CBS News ( which therefore gets credit for breaking the story), I should point out that William La Jeunesse of FoxNews has been dogged in his pursuit of the "Fast and Furious" story as well.



Here's Michael Walsh's take at NRO, which adds a few facts (and also credits La Jeunesse). 


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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #255 on: October 06, 2011, 07:16:24 AM »
who is this directed toward here? lol

not you.   you are well aware of the BS taht went on CT-wise under clinton.

i'm referring to the "republicans" that voted clinton, then bush, then mccain and claim they're reagan repubs.

they have no clue of the ATF crimes in the 90s.  and they dont care, ,cause it wasn't obama's fault then.

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #256 on: October 06, 2011, 07:21:40 AM »
Calm down’ about Fast and Furious gun sting, ATF acting director says
By Sari Horwitz, Published: October 5

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The new acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives announced a major shake-up of his agency Wednesday and urged Washington insiders to “calm down” about the latest revelations surrounding a controversial ATF gun operation.

B. Todd Jones said calm is needed as he begins rebuilding the beleaguered agency, including shuffling top personnel. He made his comments as his boss, Attorney General Eric J. Holder Jr., came under fire this week from Republican lawmakers, with one calling for a special counsel to investigate Holder’s role in the Fast and Furious gun-trafficking operation.

Explore: Tracing the national flow of gunsInvestigation: The hidden life of gunsWATCH: Arming Mexico’s drug cartelsJuly 11: Gun dealers will have to report multiple sales of semiautomatic rifleJuly 6: ATF director testifies on bungled gun operationJune 30: Democrat: Weak U.S. laws hurt gun-trafficking fight in MexicoJune 21: Critic of ATF gun-trafficking program raised no objection when briefed last yearJune 20: Obama’s nominee for ATF chief to meet with Justice Department officialsMarch 4: U.S. let guns fall into drug cartels’ hands, files showFeb. 1: ATF gunrunning probe strategy scrutinized after death of Border Patrol agent

Fast and Furious, a Phoenix gun sting that began in 2009, allowed small-time straw purchasers to pass firearms to middlemen, who then trafficked the guns to Mexico. The fury over the tactics, which resulted in more than 2,000 illegally purchased firearms hitting the streets, has led to the reassignment of the ATF’s former acting director and others, and the resignation of the U.S. attorney in Arizona.

On Tuesday, Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Tex.), the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, asked President Obama to appoint a special counsel to investigate whether Holder told the truth to Congress at a hearing on May 3 about Fast and Furious.

Smith made his request a day after Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, released new documents from the Justice Department that he said indicate that Holder was told about Fast and Furious as early as July 2010, although he told Congress in May that he had just learned about it.

A copy of a weekly report, obtained Monday by The Washington Post, was sent to Holder on July 5, 2010, from Michael F. Walther, the director of the National Drug Intelligence Center. A paragraph notes a Phoenix investigation called “Operation Fast and the Furious,” which involved a trafficking ring with straw buyers responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug cartels. The report said the group had ties to the Sinaloa Cartel, suspected of providing $1 million for the purchase of guns.

The document did not explain that the ATF was in effect watching this happen without immediately trying to intervene, the issue at the heart of the controversy.

On Oct. 18, 2010, another weekly report, this one from Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, was sent to Holder noting “Phoenix-based Operation Fast and Furious.”

Justice Department spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said Holder became aware of the questionable tactics of allowing the guns to walk — or move without ATF interdiction — only when ATF agents first flagged them publicly in March. Holder then asked the agency’s inspector general to conduct an investigation, which is ongoing.

But Issa said the documents show that Holder was not being truthful during the May 3 congressional hearing.

At the hearing, Issa asked Holder: “When did you first know about the program officially, I believe, called Fast and Furious?”

Holder answered: “I’m not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.”

Schmaler said Holder was referring to when he first learned of the operation’s tactics. She added that of the documents Holder had seen earlier, “not a single one of these reports referenced the controversial tactics that allowed guns to cross the border, and in fact, one example provided to Congress consisted of a single sentence referencing a Phoenix-based operation.”

“None of the handful of entries in 2010 regarding the Fast and Furious suggested there was anything amiss with that investigation requiring leadership to take corrective action or commit to memory this particular operation prior to the disturbing claims raised by ATF agents in the early part of 2011,” Schmaler said.

Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), who is conducting the joint investigation of Fast and Furious along with Issa, released a statement Wednesday night questioning the timing of the ATF shuffle in the same week that lawmakers released the documents pertaining to Holder.

“Rearranging the chairs on the deck won’t make Fast and Furious go away,” Grassley said. “There is a lot of effort at the Justice Department to spin the fact that the Attorney General was less than candid before the House Judiciary Committee, and what better way to make that go away than a bureaucratic shuffle.”

horwitzs@washpost.com



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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #257 on: October 06, 2011, 07:22:55 AM »


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That could possibly be the dumbest thing I've read in a long time and I can't imagine why you agree with it 3333.  Agreeing with that article pretty much just says that the only reason you're interested in this is for election purposes and not to see any justice done or anything set right.  First of all, he's dead wrong, this issue is dying.  The last week has been a huge week for this story and if you look at google trends it's got less attention now than when it first broke.  It'll be a non issue for the election.  Having a special prosecutor assigned forces this to the top of the top stories across the country.  In no way does this hurt the republican running against Obama and in no way does this help Obama.  Now if you're going after the admin for some shit like the president getting a BJ, then you can speculate stuff like that and might be right.  But on this, a special prosecutor is all around a triple bonus for republicans.  That article is shit and dead wrong.

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #258 on: October 06, 2011, 07:25:24 AM »
hhugo is 100% correct.


nobody will give a flyinf fck about fast & furious come election time.

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #259 on: October 06, 2011, 07:30:55 AM »
it's dying in the papers now.  I know this because 3333 said others were not covering it.  I figured that had to be bullshit so I went out and looked.  He was right.  On a big week for this story, the news on it was burried.  Sure most had a story on it, if you could find it.  This should have been the week that brought it back to page 1.  So that article says just to let it bleed into people's media. That's crap, it's dying and will be dead.  A special prosecutor is what puts this front page and keeps it there.  I question the assclown's motives that wrote this story.  That is so backward in thinking, it had to be handed to him to help someone in this case.

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #260 on: October 06, 2011, 07:32:08 AM »
it's dying in the papers now.  I know this because 3333 said others were not covering it.  I figured that had to be bullshit so I went out and looked.  He was right.  On a big week for this story, the news on it was burried.  Sure most had a story on it, if you could find it.  This should have been the week that brought it back to page 1.  So that article says just to let it bleed into people's media. That's crap, it's dying and will be dead.  A special prosecutor is what puts this front page and keeps it there.  I question the assclown's motives that wrote this story.  That is so backward in thinking, it had to be handed to him to help someone in this case.

Like I told 240 a few weeks ago - I think Issa knows this, but it getting enough out there before obama admn can cover it up. 

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #261 on: October 06, 2011, 07:32:46 AM »
not you.   you are well aware of the BS taht went on CT-wise under clinton.

i'm referring to the "republicans" that voted clinton, then bush, then mccain and claim they're reagan repubs.

they have no clue of the ATF crimes in the 90s.  and they dont care, ,cause it wasn't obama's fault then.
So BB then :D

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #262 on: October 06, 2011, 07:36:36 AM »
Like I told 240 a few weeks ago - I think Issa knows this, but it getting enough out there before obama admn can cover it up. 
that has nothing to do with the ramifications of the article you posted and said you agree with.  You can't possibly believe that a special prosecutor on this is a bad idea?  This story is dying now and will die.  What's out on it now is not enough to hurt Obama.  There's enough info right now to easily warrant a special prosecutor and that keeps it headline news instead of watching it die.  It's also a matter of not letting the ATF and whoever else is involved get away with shit like this.  On a moral stantpoint alone, one has to back a special prosecutor to look into this.  And above on, on something like this with what we know, there's no way this hurts republicans or helps Obama. 

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #263 on: October 06, 2011, 07:38:49 AM »
that has nothing to do with the ramifications of the article you posted and said you agree with.  You can't possibly believe that a special prosecutor on this is a bad idea?  This story is dying now and will die.  What's out on it now is not enough to hurt Obama.  There's enough info right now to easily warrant a special prosecutor and that keeps it headline news instead of watching it die.  It's also a matter of not letting the ATF and whoever else is involved get away with shit like this.  On a moral stantpoint alone, one has to back a special prosecutor to look into this.  And above on, on something like this with what we know, there's no way this hurts republicans or helps Obama. 

Issa said he is holding more hearings on this.  i agree w a special prosecutor solely for the perjury part as it might flip Holder. 

I guess I agreed with the emotional component of the article. 

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #264 on: October 06, 2011, 07:50:23 AM »
The whole thing needs investigated.  You're not going to flip holder on a purgery charge lol.  The only way this gets justice is a prosecutor sitting people down who were involved and telling them, "save yourself prison time and tell us exactly what happened, spill the beans and go home to your wife and kids tomorrow..."

Also, I don't get the impression whatsoever that Issa is just in this to give Obama a black eye.  In the past when I've listened to him on other stuff, he seems to be a person who stands on priciple, what's right and what's wrong.  He doesn't strike me as the type to be wasting his time for the sole purpose of inflating a story.

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #265 on: October 06, 2011, 07:52:48 AM »
OMG... Just WAIT until Holder & Obama agree to testisfy....


Together...

In a closed hearing....

With no oaths...

With no recording equipment...

And no transcript....

Then, they confiscate all of Issa/Special prosecutor's notes afterwards.



Would that bug you, 33?    ;)

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #266 on: October 06, 2011, 07:56:17 AM »
OMG... Just WAIT until Holder & Obama agree to testisfy....


Together...

In a closed hearing....

With no oaths...

With no recording equipment...

And no transcript....

Then, they confiscate all of Issa/Special prosecutor's notes afterwards.



Would that bug you, 33?    ;)
lol, I bet it would.  I bet the right would be just furious... the irony that would be...

 It would piss me off too. 

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #267 on: October 06, 2011, 07:58:22 AM »
We deserve answers on all of this. 

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #268 on: October 06, 2011, 08:00:04 AM »
We deserve answers on all of this. 

If obama/holder tried that kind of bullshit - refusing to testify, then going by those terms - what would you say, 33?

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #269 on: October 06, 2011, 08:01:44 AM »
Set up alert.......lol

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #270 on: October 06, 2011, 08:06:37 AM »
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Re: Get the leg irons ready - Holder is going to jail for perjury.
« Reply #272 on: October 06, 2011, 08:12:04 AM »
yep, don't worry about answering the Q, 33  ;)

Everyone here knows you'd be screaming out loud if obama tried that on testifying.

and everyone here knows you shrugged off Bush/Cheney doing the same (despite their much larger body count).

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Re: Get the leg irons ready - Holder is going to jail for perjury.
« Reply #273 on: October 06, 2011, 08:16:24 AM »
yep, don't worry about answering the Q, 33  ;)

Everyone here knows you'd be screaming out loud if obama tried that on testifying.

and everyone here knows you shrugged off Bush/Cheney doing the same (despite their much larger body count).

Show me where Bush did what bama did on the 2nd amend 

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Re: Get the leg irons ready - Holder is going to jail for perjury.
« Reply #274 on: October 06, 2011, 08:21:00 AM »
Show me where Bush did what bama did on the 2nd amend 

oh, i see.  You don't think the top 2 should have to testify if it has to do with the deaths of 3000 americans.

but you do think the top 2 should have to testify, if it's about a "potential" attempt at legislation?

oh jeezus.