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Re: Get the leg irons ready - Holder is going to jail for perjury.
« Reply #275 on: October 06, 2011, 08:22:44 AM »
oh, i see.  You don't think the top 2 should have to testify if it has to do with the deaths of 3000 americans.

but you do think the top 2 should have to testify, if it's about a "potential" attempt at legislation?

oh jeezus.

Did Bush authorize 911 like the Obama admn did F&F?

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« Reply #276 on: October 06, 2011, 08:26:40 AM »
we don tknow, 33.

we tried to ask, but he wasn't having that ;)

all i know, is that you shouldn't be surprised if obana decides he doesn't want to testify.  And libs will defend it, just like those cocksucking neocons did on the 911 investigations.

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« Reply #277 on: October 06, 2011, 08:48:37 AM »
Republicans Say Holder Received at Least 5 Fast and Furious Memos
Published October 06, 2011 | FoxNews.com



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Top congressional Republicans said Thursday that Attorney General Eric Holder received at least five weekly memos starting in July 2010 about the controversial gunrunning probe known as Operation Fast and Furious, though he claimed this past May he only learned of the operation a few weeks prior.

Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., released a series of heavily redacted memos apparently sent to Holder from Michael Walther, the director of the National Drug Intelligence Center. They appear to describe an operation involving the straw purchase of hundreds of firearms that went to Mexican drug cartels.

"With the fairly detailed information that the Attorney General read, it seems the logical question for the Attorney General after reading in the memo would be 'why haven't we stopped them?'" Grassley said in a statement.

Issa claimed Holder "has failed to give Congress and the American people an honest account of what he and other."

The release of the documents comes as House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas, requests the president instruct the Department of Justice to appoint a special counsel.

Through Fast and Furious, hundreds of firearms were allowed to walk across the U.S.-Mexico border, some later turning up at bloody crime scenes. The focus has turned lately to what Holder knew and when he knew it.

He said under oath in May: "I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks."

But documents that started to surface earlier in the week suggested Justice officials at least tried to inform Holder. The latest memos show he was notified of the program repeatedly, though it's not clear to what degree Holder paid attention to the memos.

The Justice Department defended Holder earlier this week in a statement.

"The Attorney General's testimony to both the House and the Senate was consistent and truthful," the statement said. "He said in both March and May of this year that he became aware of the questionable tactics employed in the Fast and Furious Operation in early 2011 when ATF agents first raised them publicly, and at the time, he asked the Inspector General's office to investigate the matter."

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« Reply #278 on: October 06, 2011, 09:29:11 AM »
There is evidence  that the Obama admin authorized F & F?   :)

Is there evidence that BUSH authorized 9/11?

How do those evidences compare?

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« Reply #279 on: October 06, 2011, 09:42:43 AM »
‘Fast and Furious’ docs reveal Holder was given multiple detailed accounts of gun program
The Daily Caller ^ | October 6, 2011 | Matthew Boyle




New Department of Justice documents the House Oversight Committee released Thursday morning show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed on Operation Fast and Furious many more times than previously discovered documents suggested. They also show that Holder was given detailed information on what happened in Fast and Furious.

These new documents show Holder received information and updates on Fast and Furious in at least five weekly memos starting in July 2010 — including over four consecutive weeks last summer.

In summer 2010, Holder received briefing memos from National Drug Intelligence Center Director Michael Walther on July 5, July 12, July 19, July 26 and August 9. Each briefing memo contains the name “Operation Fast and Furious.” Each memo also contains a description of what appears to be how Operation Fast and Furious was conducted.


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« Reply #280 on: October 06, 2011, 09:45:39 AM »
Obama: Holder "Not Aware" Of What Was Happening With Fast And Furious (video)
Real Clear Politics ^ | 10/6/11 | Comrade Obamavitch




"Now, with respect to Solyndra and Fast and Furious, you know, I think -- you know, I have been very clear. That I have complete confidence in the Attorney General Holder in how he handles his office. He has been very aggressive in going after gunrunning and cash transactions that are going to these transnational drug cartels in Mexico. There has been a lot of cooperation between the United States and Mexico on this front. He's indicated he was not aware of what was happening in Fast and Furious. Certainly I was not. And I think both he and i would have been very unhappy if somebody had suggested that guns were allowed to pass through that could have been prevented by the United States of America," President Obama said at a news conference on Thursday.


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« Reply #281 on: October 06, 2011, 09:45:52 AM »
Starting to look like a bad comparison.  

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« Reply #282 on: October 06, 2011, 09:46:49 AM »
There is evidence  that the Obama admin authorized F & F?   :)

Is there evidence that BUSH authorized 9/11?

How do those evidences compare?

Let's imagine these things - Legislation was changed 3 months before F&F that made it so that ONLY Obama & Holder - by office - were the ONLY two people capable of vetoing gun sales (just as bush/cheney were the ONLY 2 people in america with legal power to shootdown).  

Then, there was a memo 5 weeks before F&F started, hand delivered in middle of night to obama himself by the FBI.  Obama and his entire staff didn't ready it.  The memo listed the 5 gun stores which would sell the weapons, what dates, and to who.

Then, Obama fought any investigation for 441 days.
Then, he only gave 3 million for the investigation (later bumped to 13 mil total).

Then, the F&F investigators were pissed they were only given 1/2 the evidence.  In fact, while we're on the subject, all of the F&F evidence has to be filtered thru the white house, which redacts hundreds of pages of info on warnings, $ trail, saudi and paki involvement, etc.

Oh and wall street traders all hedged against gun safety in the market, betting millions on unlikely long shots, and getting it right.  And they never collected the money, and it was never investigated as to who bought all those shares.

Shall we go on?  Multiply the body count by ten as well.

See why 911 skeptics laugh in the faces of F&F skeptics?  You bitches couldnt give a shit when a (R) was getting away with murder.

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Re: Get the leg irons ready - Holder is going to jail for perjury.
« Reply #283 on: October 06, 2011, 09:48:04 AM »
There is evidence  that the Obama admin authorized F & F?   :)

Is there evidence that BUSH authorized 9/11?

How do those evidences compare?
I don't think that was about bush "authorizing" 9/11 lol...

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« Reply #284 on: October 06, 2011, 09:50:18 AM »
In summer 2010, Holder received briefing memos from National Drug Intelligence Center Director Michael Walther on July 5, July 12, July 19, July 26 and August 9. Each briefing memo contains the name “Operation Fast and Furious.” Each memo also contains a description of what appears to be how Operation Fast and Furious was conducted.


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« Reply #285 on: October 06, 2011, 09:50:21 AM »
Tens of thousands of legal experts come fwd, all calling for a F&F investigation.  They are mocked by MSNBC.  How would 33386 respond?

Oh, but "Popular Strawman", a newspaper run by Holder's cousin, writes a story full of holes to defend Obama - and MSNBC buys it, and treats it like the MFing bible on the subject, ignoring the clear bias.   (Chertoff cousin was PopMech editor who wrote debunking article).

Obama orders the gun stores bulldozed with zero investigation.  All records are burned and ashes sent to china.  All victims of F&F guns get a $3.1 mil payoff, but they have to sign a piece of paper agreeing to STFU and never sue.

Shall we go on?  The 911 bullshit was insane, and repubs just giggled at it ignorantly.  Wait til obama does it - you cawksuckers will be crying.

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« Reply #286 on: October 06, 2011, 09:55:54 AM »
Oh, there' more... don't address this 33, you'll look foolish for doing so..

All of obama & holder's emails from that period will be erased during a white house email "upgrade".  5 million of them.  So we don't know who is saying what to who.

You'd literally be shitting your britches right now.

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« Reply #287 on: October 06, 2011, 09:56:31 AM »
240,

Tools will be tools.

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« Reply #288 on: October 06, 2011, 09:58:25 AM »
240,

Tools will be tools.

Yeah - dont you have a riot to start with the hippies down on wall street? 

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« Reply #289 on: October 06, 2011, 09:59:35 AM »
Yeah - dont you have a riot to start with the hippies down on wall street? 

dont change the subject, homer. 


tell us how you'd feel if the things I listed in the 3 posts above happened.  If Obama/Holder controlled the investigation, etc.  You'd be balls out irate, wouldn't you?

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« Reply #290 on: October 06, 2011, 10:00:57 AM »
dont change the subject, homer. 


tell us how you'd feel if the things I listed in the 3 posts above happened.  If Obama/Holder controlled the investigation, etc.  You'd be balls out irate, wouldn't you?

Ok - I am going to say this for the 10 millionth time  - I support a full investigation into 911.   What i believe it will show is mass incompetence more than complicity.

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« Reply #291 on: October 06, 2011, 10:01:23 AM »
Yeah - dont you have a riot to start with the hippies down on wall street? 

Heaven forbid some solutions come wrapped in liberal paper.  

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« Reply #292 on: October 06, 2011, 10:05:29 AM »
There is evidence  that the Obama admin authorized F & F?   :)

Is there evidence that BUSH authorized 9/11?

How do those evidences compare?

Downgrade is the Kingmaker. He hand-picked Holder. Holder is acting in Downgrade's best interests. Holder's actions = representative of Downgrade.

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Ain't that the truth. Were you looking in the mirror when you typed that post?

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« Reply #293 on: October 06, 2011, 10:06:00 AM »
Ok - I am going to say this for the 10 millionth time  - I support a full investigation into 911.   What i believe it will show is mass incompetence more than complicity.

You believe Holder/Obama benefitted from F&F - for AWB2.  Fair enough.

Now, imagine if Obama & holder had written a document in summer 2008, detailing the need for sweeping change to american gun laws.  It was co-written by 17 members of the current Obama admin.  They had met with gun control groups before F&F and mapped out which companies would be confiscating guns from which state.  This document called for the need for "a new columbine" in order to get public support for such gun bans.

Your blood pressure would jump significantly reading that document, written by O and his cronies.  WElcome to the PNAC document written by cheney, jeb, 1/2 the bush admin, with everything matching war in arabia and a catalyzing event to jumpstart it (911).


Motive, bitches.  You "believe" Holder/Obama have it.  PNAC document PROVES that Bush/Cheney had it ;)

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« Reply #294 on: October 06, 2011, 10:06:24 AM »
Downgrade is the Kingmaker. He hand-picked Holder. Holder is acting in Downgrade's best interests. Holder's actions = representative of Downgrade.

Ain't that the truth. Were you looking in the mirror when you typed that post?

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grow up immature douche.  

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« Reply #295 on: October 06, 2011, 11:02:13 AM »
‘Fast and Furious’ docs reveal Holder was given multiple detailed accounts of gun program
The Daily Caller ^ | October 6, 2011 | Matthew Boyle




New Department of Justice documents the House Oversight Committee released Thursday morning show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed on Operation Fast and Furious many more times than previously discovered documents suggested. They also show that Holder was given detailed information on what happened in Fast and Furious.

These new documents show Holder received information and updates on Fast and Furious in at least five weekly memos starting in July 2010 — including over four consecutive weeks last summer.

In summer 2010, Holder received briefing memos from National Drug Intelligence Center Director Michael Walther on July 5, July 12, July 19, July 26 and August 9. Each briefing memo contains the name “Operation Fast and Furious.” Each memo also contains a description of what appears to be how Operation Fast and Furious was conducted.


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« Reply #296 on: October 06, 2011, 11:03:53 AM »
Snowball is getting larger. 

yep.  if it's one thing we've learned, bad guys in govt never get away with their bullshit.

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« Reply #297 on: October 06, 2011, 11:04:50 AM »
'Furious' mess has Justice in full panic
By MICHAEL A. WALSH
Last Updated: 4:52 AM, October 6, 2011
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So now the Fast and Furious affair has reached Stage 2 of the classic Washington scandal: House Republicans have called for a special counsel to investigate Attorney General Eric Holder himself for possible perjury.

Justice Department documents indicate that Holder knew of the operation way back in July 2010 -- far earlier than the “in the last few weeks” that he told congressional investigators under oath last May.

Memos from Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer and others to Holder clearly show the scope, if not the nature, of the disastrous project: “This investigation, initiated in September 2009 . . . involves . . . straw purchasers [who] are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug cartels.”

That’s the crux of the Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ infamous “gunwalking” program, allegedly designed to track illegal gun sales to Mexican drug gangs by turning a blind eye toward, and possibly facilitating, arms sales in Arizona and elsewhere. The death toll so far is more than 200.

The heavily redacted memos don’t explicitly implicate ATF and other federal agencies in an illegal scheme, as ATF whistleblowers have alleged. But if there’s a coverup going on, why would they?

And coverup there seems to be. On top of stonewalling Rep. Darrell Issa’s House investigation of the mess, Justice has floated a series of contradictory excuses:

* There was no such program.

* Even if there weres, Holder never knew about it.

* Even if he should have known about it, he might not have read Breuer’s memos.

* Even if he read Breuer’s memos, he misunderstood the simple question: “When did you first know about the program, officially, I believe, called Fast and Furious?”

With the recent exposure of another apparent “gunwalking” operation, Wide Receiver, that may date back to the Bush administration, some are already pushing a “Bush-did-it-too” meme. If true, it shows the rot at Justice goes deeper than we thought -- but it has nothing to do with whether Holder may have committed perjury.

If Holder is so innocent, why, sources inside Justice say, are folks there engaging in a panicked orgy of finger-pointing and blame-shifting?

A trial balloon has reportedly been floated within Justice to essentially eliminate the ATF by firing 450 agents and transferring the embattled agency’s duties to the Drug Enforcement Administration and the FBI.

While the bulk of the national press corps is off inspecting Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s back forty for residual signs of racism, CBS’ Sharyl Attkisson and Fox’s William La Jeunesse have been doing the heavy lifting on Fast and Furious -- and getting some tough pushback from Obama officials.

On the Laura Ingraham radio show yesterday, Attkisson told of being “yelled at” by Justice flack Tracy Schmaler and being “screamed” at by White House official Eric Schultz for being “unfair.”

Said Attkisson: “They will tell you that I’m the only reporter -- as they told me -- that is not reasonable. They say The Washington Post is reasonable, the LA Times is reasonable, The New York Times is reasonable, I’m the only one who thinks this is a story, and they think I’m unfair and biased by pursuing it.”

CBS has reportedly yanked Attkisson from further media appearances this week. But isn’t independent inquiry the function of a free press? Nobody thought there was a story in Watergate, either, until Woodward and Bernstein proved otherwise.

There’s still plenty of time for Justice and the other implicated agencies to come clean. But to date, all we’ve heard is dog-ate-my-briefing-book excuses and desperate attempts to change the subject.

It’s possible that Fast and Furious was a rogue, poorly conceived sub-operation of the legitimate Project Gunrunner, begun in 2005 to track and interdict illegal weapons traffic. But Holder’s track record in previous congressional testimony leaves ample cause for skepticism.

As former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy pointed out yesterday at National Review Online, Holder’s current amnesia recalls his misleading testimony to Congress about another scandal, President Bill Clinton’s pardon of fugitive financier Marc Rich. Even though Holder helped arrange the pardon, he told the Senate Judiciary Committee in 2001 that Rich’s name was “unfamiliar” to him.

With the 2012 elections looming, the chances of Holder’s appointing a special prosecutor to investigate himself are slim and none. The Obama administration will bury the scandal -- unless the media and public demand otherwise.

Michael Walsh’s new thriller, “Shock Warning,” is out this week on Amazon Kindle.


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« Reply #298 on: October 06, 2011, 11:08:19 AM »
'Furious' mess has Justice in full panic
By MICHAEL A. WALSH
Last Updated: 4:52 AM, October 6, 2011
www.nypost.com



Michael Walsh’s new thriller, “Shock Warning,” is out this week on Amazon Kindle.




LMAO.... the author of the "news piece"

With the 2012 elections looming, the chances of Holder’s appointing a special prosecutor to investigate himself are slim and none. The Obama administration will bury the scandal -- unless the media and public demand otherwise.


Exactly true.  Translation = they get away with it. 

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« Reply #299 on: October 06, 2011, 11:18:22 AM »

Congressman: Holder must resign over ‘Fast and Furious’ testimony
By Matthew Boyle - The Daily Caller   1:58 PM 10/06/2011




Rep. Raul Labrador, an Idaho Republican, called on Attorney General Eric Holder to resign Thursday, after “Operation Fast and Furious” documents surfaced showing he knew about the scandal and its intricate details.

“I first learned about Fast and Furious early this year from several of my constituents,” Labrador said in a release. “I then asked Chairman Issa to hold hearings on the topic. As I attended the hearings and reviewed the evidence, I was careful to not jump to any conclusions about the extent of Mr. Holder’s involvement. However, the recently published documents that directly link Mr. Holder to Fast and Furious have convinced me that he is either lying or grossly incompetent.”

The new documents directly contradict Holder’s May 3 congressional testimony before the House Judiciary Committee. It is also at odds with what the U.S. Department of Justice has publicly claimed since some documents surfaced earlier this week showing that Holder was briefed on the controversial gun-walking program.

House Oversight committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa has already said that Holder is either incompetent as a leader, or has deliberately deceived Congress while under oath.

When that first round of documents emerged this week, Justice Department officials almost immediately claimed Holder misunderstood questions from Issa and Utah GOP Rep. Jason Chaffetz at the May 3 hearing during which Holder said he had only known about “Fast and Furious” for a few weeks.

CBS News reported after those documents came out, however, that the DOJ claimed Holder did know about Fast and Furious, but was unaware of its specific details.

On Tuesday, Rep. Chaffetz told TheDC that the DOJ’s response won’t “hold any water,” since Holder had several chances during the hearing — and has had many more since — to clarify or correct his testimony to ensure its accuracy.

Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley, who led the congressional investigation into Operation Fast and Furious with Issa, said these new documents prove Holder knew the details of the operation and debunk the DOJ’s latest explanation.

“With the fairly detailed information that the attorney general read, it seems the logical question for the attorney general after reading in the memo would be ‘why haven’t we stopped them?’” Grassley said in a statement. “And if he didn’t ask the questions, why didn’t he or somebody in his office?”

Rep. Labrador is the first member of Congress to call for Holder’s resignation. He said Holder’s May 3 testimony was “either untrue or deliberately misleading.”

“Attorney General Holder has a troubling pattern of failed cooperation with the legislative branch,” Labrador said. “Because of this intentional stonewalling and his misleading testimony, I now call for Mr. Holder’s resignation. It is clear he has not been honest about the extent of his involvement with the failed Fast and Furious program and should not be entrusted with managing the Department of Justice.”

In an interview with TheDC on Wednesday, Arizona Republican Rep. Paul Gosar suggested that Obama administration officials responsible for Operation Fast and Furious are accessories to murder.

Labrador’s open call follows the suggestion Rep. Blake Farenthold made on NRA News’s Cam and Company Tuesday night. “I would probably resign if that came out, if I had done that,” Farenthold said on the show, referencing how Holder knew about Fast and Furious.

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