Get the leg irons ready - Holder is going to jail for perjury.

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Gunwalker: Punch-Drunk Eric Holder Swings Back at Critics, Hits Self
Pajamas Media ^ | October 8, 2011 | Bob Owens



The evidence continues to cast strong doubts on the attorney general's truthfulness.

Friday was just another day in a continuing series of bad days for the administration of President Barack Obama, as the furor surrounding the executive branch’s gun-walking scandal continues to escalate.


The day began with a gritty montage-style video from the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, asking the question few in the media are willing to ask about the gun-walking program: Holder vs. White House: Who Is Responsible? Like a duffel bag stuffed with straw-purchased Draco pistols, the day quickly went “south” from there.

The White House attempt to implement a weak “Bush did it too” defense collapsed in spectacular fashion, in the worst possible way. The administration – specifically the Department of Justice — leaked a claim that a Bush-era operation called “Wide Receiver” also walked guns to Mexican cartels, just like Obama’s Operation Fast and Furious. The claim served as a “hook” to draw out news agencies that had up until now largely ignored the scandal out of partisan deference to the White House.


But the claim simply wasn’t true.

While the steady drip-drip-drip of evidence has destroyed claims that the Obama administration program was anything but a way to arm criminals to support the 90-percent lie and the president’s gun control agenda, the Bush-era Operation Wide Receiver was a legitimate “botched” law enforcement operation that failed because of an over-reliance on new and unproven technologies and an underestimation of the cunning of cartel smugglers. One of the key witnesses testifying about Wide Receiver even came forward to debunk the DOJ’s claims of “Bush did it too,” noting that the 2006-2007 operation was a small local ATF operation, conducted without Justice or White House support.


The Obama DOJ created more media interest with the Bush claim, only to have the claim fall apart as the national interest in the case finally began to rise. Oops.

Just as the Wide Receiver claim was falling apart, new documents surfaced that seemed to undermine Eric Holder’s defense that he was unaware of Operation Fast and Furious, the best-known of the administration’s gun-walking scandals. Sharyl Attkisson released documents that showed then-Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler, the second-highest ranking official in Justice, received a detailed briefing on the operation and made hand-written notes in the margins. The briefing was on March 12, 2010, six months into Operation Fast and Furious:

In handwritten notes about Fast and Furious that are not all legible, Grindler writes about “seizures in Mexico” and “links to cartel.” He also noted “seizures in Mexico” on a map of Phoenix, the home base for Fast and Furious, and Mexico locations where some guns ended up. And Grindler made notations on a photograph of several dozen rifles.


As the evidence continues to cast strong doubts on the attorney general’s truthfulness, one of his defensive measures seems to be collapsing. The Obama administration and Holder’s Department of Justice have repeatedly fallen back on using the DOJ inspector general’s investigation as a way to keep from answering the hard questions about the gun-walking operations. When pressed about the plot, they defer to the inspector general’s investigation.

Now we know why.

It turns out that acting DOJ Inspector General Cynthia A. Schnedar, who had leaked information gathered by congressional investigators to the subjects of her investigation, is an old colleague of Eric Holder:

It turns out that Ms. Schnedar has long and close ties to Mr. Holder. According to her biography on the Justice Department website, she became assistant U.S. attorney in Washington, D.C. in 1994. Eric Holder had become the U.S. attorney in Washington the previous year, so he in effect was Schnedar’s boss from 1994 until 1997, when he left to become President Clinton’s deputy attorney general. Holder would become a key player in the scandalous pardons of fugitive billionaire Marc Rich and members of the Puerto Rican nationalist terrorist group known as FALN.


But during Ms. Schnedar’s tenure before Holder had departed, it happened that they had ended up working a number of cases together. According to the LexisNexis website, there were at least fourteen of them, usually at the appellate level. For Holder, it was more than just “in name only”; in some of those cases, they apparently co-filed legal briefs.

A responsible inspector general would have immediately noted the obvious conflict of interest and stepped aside after calling for a special counsel to conduct an impartial inquiry. The fact that Schnedar chose not to disclose this conflict of interest indicates possible collusion and corruption of the DOJ Inspector General’s Office. Schnedar may very well find herself the star of her own corruption trial.

Despite the continuing collapse of the attorney general’s defense — or perhaps in response to it — Holder went on offense late Friday with a scathing letter to the chairmen and ranking congressional committee heads investigating the scandal, seeking to both attack his critics and, incredibly, call for more gun control.


Holder’s ostensible excuse for attacking those trying to investigate his department — other than keeping himself out of prison — was to claim that he:

…could not sit idly by as a Majority Member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform suggests, as happened this week, that law enforcement and government employees who dedicate their lives to protecting our citizens be considered “accessories to murder.”

Holder appears to have been passive-aggressively attacking Arizona Rep. Paul Gosar, who repeated a similar claim Wednesday. Unfortunately for the embattled Holder, Gosar was only relaying the thoughts of his state’s law enforcement community. While Holder’s lawyers were vetting his letter for release, ten Arizona sheriffs — five Democrats and five Republicans — came together to call the gun-walking operations “a betrayal of state law enforcement.” The sheriffs demanded President Obama appoint a special counsel to investigate, and stated bluntly that Attorney General Holder should resign or be fired. Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu stated:


We want to get to the bottom of this. One, to find out what truly happened, and two, to ensure this never happens again. This is not political. This is a public safety issue, this is a threat against our deputies and local officers, not only in Arizona but across the Southwest.

It was an earlier statement by Babeu and cited by Rep. Gosar that Holder criticized:

Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu recently pointed out: “If somebody gives a gun to somebody knowing they’re going to commit murder, guess what we call them? … We call them accomplices.”

Holder no doubt chose to castigate the congressman instead of the front-line law enforcement officers who are our soldiers in this conflict against the very narco-terrorists Holder’s Department has allegedly armed in ten cities in five states with enough weapons to arm a U.S. Army division.

As part of his constant effort to impose gun control, Holder also tried to claim, as other Democrats have, that current laws are insufficient to stop weapons trafficking and that “penalties for straw purchasers are inadequate.”


Someone should tell him about a long-running program called Don’t Lie For The Other Guy, a joint effort of his own ATF and the National Shooting Sports Foundation that reminds straw purchasers that buying a weapon for someone you know can’t legally get a gun could get you ten years in prison.

Or was that in another memo he didn’t read?

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No justice from Justice
Last Updated: 4:49 AM, October 9, 2011



Two things to know about Attorney General Eric Holder: He lied to the American people -- under oath, before Congress -- and thus is unfit to investigate allegations of criminal negligence in the Justice Department.

This is why House Republicans have called for a special prosecutor to investigate Holder for apparent perjury regarding his testimony on the administration’s “Fast and Furious” gun sting -- during which the US armed Mexican drug cartels with 2,500 high-powered, military-style weapons.

We’re no fans of special prosecutors; they tend to get out of control.

But the Justice Department has spent the summer obstructing a congressional investigation into the sting, and therefore can’t be trusted to police itself.

Here’s why: On May 3, Holder was asked the simplest of questions before the House Judiciary Committee: When did you first know about Fast and Furious?

His answer: “I’m not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.”

Yet documents published last week show he began receiving weekly memos from top lieutenants about the operation at least 10 months before that, in July 2010.

Press aides claim Holder misunderstood the question, which is unlikely. But his answer contained enough weasel-words -- e.g., “not sure” and “probably” -- to provide functional deniability.

Late Friday, Holder released a letter to Congress saying he has “no recollection of knowing about Fast and Furious or of hearing its name prior to the public controversy about it.”

Normal people, however, will recognize a lie when they hear one.

This is no small matter, given that:

* Starting in 2009, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms sold 2,500 firearms to mules who smuggled them over the border to the cartels.

* The point of the exercise was to track the weapons and snare cartel leaders -- but the agency lost track of nearly all the guns.

* Those weapons were later found abandoned at 200 crime scenes in Mexico -- and near the body of a murdered US Border Patrol agent, Brian Terry.

It was all just fuel for the fuego : Mexico is locked in an infernal drug war that has claimed 40,000 lives in the past five years.

So here was the ATF’s idea: Stop the flow of guns into Mexico ... by funneling thousands of guns into Mexico.

The leaked documents show Holder knew what was up even before Terry’s murder. Yet on Thursday, President Obama spoke of his “complete confidence” in Holder, whom he said had been “very aggressive in going after gun running ... in Mexico.”

Meanwhile, Justice officials have been fighting like rabid animals to cover up the operation since the moment the story broke -- further underscoring the need for a special prosecutor.

If Holder refuses to appoint one, the president needs to order him to do so.

Whatever Obama decides, though, it remains that an American agent was murdered, probably by a Fast and Furious weapon, and the Justice Department refuses to do anything about it.

This is shameful.



Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/no_justice_from_justice_QBY3tMJGtJbaI5DjVLoTDM#ixzz1aJNsQmcd

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Fast and Furious weapons were found in Mexico cartel enforcer's home

http://discussions.latimes.com/20/lanews/la-na-atf-guns-20111009/10


Guns illegally purchased under the ATF operation were found in April hidden in violence-plagued Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, court records show.
 
This arsenal uncovered by police in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, in April turned out to include weapons from the ATF's ill-fated Fast and Furious operation. (Associated Press)


October 8, 2011, 8:46 p.m.

Reporting from Washington— High-powered assault weapons illegally purchased under the ATF's Fast and Furious program in Phoenix ended up in a home belonging to the purported top Sinaloa cartel enforcer in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, whose organization was terrorizing that city with the worst violence in the Mexican drug wars.

In all, 100 assault weapons acquired under Fast and Furious were transported 350 miles from Phoenix to El Paso, making that West Texas city a central hub for gun traffickers. Forty of the weapons made it across the border and into the arsenal of Jose Antonio Torres Marrufo, a feared cartel leader in Ciudad Juarez, according to federal court records and trace documents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

The smugglers' tactics — quickly moving the weapons far from ATF agents in southern Arizona, where it had been assumed they would circulate — vividly demonstrate that what had been viewed as a local problem was much larger. Six other Fast and Furious guns destined for El Paso were recovered in Columbus, N.M.

"These Fast and Furious guns were going to Sinaloans, and they are killing everyone down there," said one knowledgeable U.S. government source, who asked for anonymity because of the ongoing investigations. "But that's only how many we know came through Texas. Hundreds more had to get through."

Torres Marrufo, also known as "the Jaguar," has been identified by U.S. authorities as the enforcer for Sinaloa cartel chieftain Joaquin "Chapo" Guzman. The Fast and Furious weapons were found at one of Torres Marrufo's homes April 30 when Mexican police inspected the property. It was unoccupied but "showed signs of recent activity," they said.

The basement had been converted into a gym with a wall covered with built-in mirrors. Behind the mirrors they found a hidden room with the Fast and Furious weapons and dozens more, including an antiaircraft machine gun, a sniper rifle and a grenade launcher.

"We have seized the most important cache of weapons in the history of Ciudad Juarez," Chihuahua state Gov. Cesar Duarte said at the time, though he did not know that many of the weapons came from the U.S. and Fast and Furious.

Torres Marrufo has been indicted in El Paso, but authorities have been unable to locate and arrest him.

In the U.S., intelligence officials consider the Sinaloa cartel the most powerful drug trafficking organization in the world. Weekly reports from U.S. intelligence authorities to the Justice Department in the summer of 2010, at the height of Fast and Furious, warned about the proliferation of guns reaching the Sinaloa cartel.

Under Fast and Furious, begun in fall 2009, the ATF allowed illegal buyers to walk away with weapons in the hope that agents in Phoenix could track the guns and arrest cartel leaders.

Three months into the program, El Paso began to emerge as a hub, perhaps the central location, for Fast and Furious weapons. On Jan. 13, 2010, El Paso police stumbled upon 40 firearms after following a suspicious dark blue Volkswagen Jetta that backed into a garage at a local residence, according to federal court records.

Alberto Sandoval told authorities he acquired the weapons three days after they were purchased from someone he knew only as "Rudy." He said he was paid $1,000 to store the guns and "knew the firearms were going to Mexico."

Sandoval pleaded guilty in federal court in El Paso and was sentenced to 6 1/2 years in prison. A month later, on Dec. 17, 2010, he escaped from a minimum-security prison in Tucson; officials believe he fled to Mexico.

Two others, Ivan Chavira and Edgar Ivan Galvan, were subsequently charged in that gun recovery, along with the recovery of 20 Fast and Furious weapons on April 7, 2010, in El Paso. Those guns also were discovered by chance by local authorities, and ATF trace records show that the weapons were purchased in Phoenix two weeks before they were found in El Paso.

Chavira and Galvan pleaded guilty. Chavira received eight years in prison; Galvan is to be sentenced next month.

richard.serrano@latimes.com

Times staff writer Tracy Wilkinson in Mexico City contributed to this report.

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Is Holder the same guy that didn't investigate and further condoned voter intimidation?

Obama is awesome for having this guy at the helm!

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Is Holder the same guy that didn't investigate and further condoned voter intimidation?

Obama is awesome for having this guy at the helm!

Holder is also the same piece of racist ghetto trash behind the Marc Rich and FLAN Terrorist pardons. 

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Fast And Furious: 22 Shocking Facts About The Scandal That Could Bring Down The Obama Administration
http://www.boanow.com ^ | 10/5/11
Posted on October 5, 2011 2:29:00 PM EDT by Lucky9teen

Could Fast and Furious be the scandal that brings down the Obama administration?  With the full knowledge of the Department of Justice, ATF agents facilitated the sale of thousands of guns to Mexican drug cartels and dropped all surveillance of those weapons once they crossed the border.  Weapons sold during Operation Fast and Furious have been used to shoot U.S. border control agents.  Weapons sold during Operation Fast and Furious have been found at dozens of crime scenes in Mexico.  Nobody has been held accountable for this scandal yet.  U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has been stonewalling all efforts by members of Congress to look into Fast and Furious.  A CBS reporter that has been aggressively investigating this story was recently screamed at and cussed at by a high ranking official that works in the White House.  It has become abundantly clear that the Obama administration desperately wants to hide what went on during Operation Fast and Furious.  So will they succeed or will we eventually find out the truth?

What you are about to read should shock the living daylights out of you.  The U.S. government purposely armed Mexican drug cartels with thousands of guns and then ordered agents not to follow the weapons across the border.

This should be a story that the mainstream media is pounding on every single day.

But they aren't.

In fact, they are mostly ignoring it.

However, if the truth starts getting out and the American people start grasping what really happened this thing could become absolutely huge.

In fact, this could end up being Obama's Watergate.

The following are 22 shocking facts about the scandal that could bring down the Obama administration....

#1 During Operation Fast and Furious, ATF agents purposely allowed thousands of guns to be sold to individuals that they believed would get them into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

#2 ATF agents were specifically ordered not to intercept the guns before they crossed the border.  The following is a brief excerpt from a CBS News report that detailed the fierce objections that many ATF agents expressed when they were ordered to stand down....

On the phone, one Project Gunrunner source (who didn't want to be identified) told us just how many guns flooded the black market under ATF's watchful eye. "The numbers are over 2,500 on that case by the way. That's how many guns were sold - including some 50-calibers they let walk."

50-caliber weapons are fearsome. For months, ATF agents followed 50-caliber Barrett rifles and other guns believed headed for the Mexican border, but were ordered to let them go. One distraught agent was often overheard on ATF radios begging and pleading to be allowed to intercept transports. The answer: "Negative. Stand down."

CBS News has been told at least 11 ATF agents and senior managers voiced fierce opposition to the strategy. "It got ugly..." said one. There was "screaming and yelling" says another. A third warned: "this is crazy, somebody is gonna to get killed."

#3 Operation Fast and Furious remained a secret until the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry last December.  Two guns that were sold during Operation Fast and Furious were found at the scene of the murder.

#4 ATF Special Agent John Dodson was one of the first to blow the whistle on Operation Fast and Furious.  Dodson explained to the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee on June 15, 2011 that many ATF agents were becoming extremely frustrated when they were ordered to cut off surveillance on the weapons that were being sold because they knew "that just days after these purchases, the guns that we saw these individuals buy would begin turning up at crime scenes in the United States and Mexico."

#5 It appears that Operation Fast and Furious began some time around September 2009.  At that time, the ATF began pressuring gun shops near the border with Mexico to participate in a new covert operation that was being set up.  The gun store owners were told to help the ATF get guns into the hands of people that would take them back to the Mexican drug cartels.

The following description of the mechanics of Operation Fast and Furious comes from a recent Los Angeles Times article....

In the fall of 2009, ATF agents installed a secret phone line and hidden cameras in a ceiling panel and wall at Andre Howard's Lone Wolf gun store. They gave him one basic instruction: Sell guns to every illegal purchaser who walks through the door.

For 15 months, Howard did as he was told. To customers with phony IDs or wads of cash he normally would have turned away, he sold pistols, rifles and semiautomatics. He was assured by the ATF that they would follow the guns, and that the surveillance would lead the agents to the violent Mexican drug cartels on the Southwest border.

When Howard heard nothing about any arrests, he questioned the agents. Keep selling, they told him. So hundreds of thousands of dollars more in weapons, including .50-caliber sniper rifles, walked out of the front door of his store in a Glendale, Ariz., strip mall.

#6 In some gun stores, cameras were set up so that top ATF officials could actually watch these transactions take place.  Back in June, U.S. Representative Darrell Issa stated the following....

"Acting Director Melson was able to sit at his desk in Washington and himself watch a live feed of straw buyers entering the gun stores and purchasing dozens of AK-47 variants."

#7 It has also come out that in some cases ATF agents were actually the ones buying the guns and getting them into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.  The following is how author Michael A. Walsh recently explained this in an article in the New York Post....

This just might be the smoking gun we’ve been waiting for to break the festering “Fast and Furious” gun-running scandal wide open: the Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives apparently ordered one of its own agents to purchase firearms with taxpayer money, and sell them directly to a Mexican drug cartel.

Let that sink in: After months of pretending that “Fast and Furious” was a botched surveillance operation of illegal gun-running spearheaded by the ATF and the US attorney’s office in Phoenix, it turns out that the government itself was selling guns to the bad guys.

#8 According to the Los Angeles Times, guns that were purchased during Operation Fast and Furious have "turned up at dozens of additional Mexican crime scenes, with an unconfirmed toll of at least 150 people killed or wounded."

#9 Mexican authorities were never informed that thousands upon thousands of guns were being allowed into Mexico.

#10 Authorities in Mexico have asked the U.S. government over and over to explain what in the world happened during Operation Fast and Furious but they have not been given an adequate answer.  In fact, according to the Los Angeles Times, the Obama administration has not even responded to questions from the attorney general of Mexico....

Marisela Morales, Mexico's attorney general and a longtime favorite of American law enforcement agents in Mexico, told The Times that she first learned about Fast and Furious from news reports. And to this day, she said, U.S. officials have not briefed her on the operation gone awry, nor have they apologized.

#11 U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has been withholding key documents about Fast and Furious from Congress and has been consistently stonewalling U.S. Representative Darrell Issa, U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley and other members of Congress that have attempted to look into this matter.

#12 The acting director of the ATF, Kenneth Melson, had been cooperating with the investigation.  At the end of August he was suddenly transferred to the Justice Department's Office of Legal Policy.

#13 Several other key officials that were heavily involved in Operation Fast and Furious actually got promoted.

#14 On May 3rd, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder testified under oath in front of the House Judiciary Committee on Operation Fast and Furious.  During that testimony, Holder made the following statement....

"I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks."

#15 Since that time, a large amount of evidence has come out that Holder was not telling the truth.  For example, a recent Fox News article discussed some of the very revealing memos about Fast and Furious that have been discovered recently....

However, newly discovered memos suggest otherwise. For instance, one memo dated July 2010 shows Michael Walther, director of the National Drug Intelligence Center, told Holder that straw buyers in the Fast and Furious operation "are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to the Mexican drug trafficking cartels."

Other documents also indicate that Holder began receiving weekly briefings on the program from the National Drug Intelligence Center "beginning, at the latest, on July 5, 2010,"

#16 Holder now claims that he simply misunderstood the question.  He now says that he had heard of Operation Fast and Furious previously but that he was not aware of the specific details.

#17 Emails exchanged between two Department of Justice officials last October make it abundantly clear that high level officials at the DOJ were very aware of what was going on...

Two Justice Department officials mulled it over in an email exchange Oct. 18, 2010. "It's a tricky case given the number of guns that have walked but is a significant set of prosecutions," says Jason Weinstein, Deputy Assistant Attorney General of the Criminal Division. Deputy Chief of the National Gang Unit James Trusty replies "I'm not sure how much grief we get for 'guns walking.' It may be more like, "Finally they're going after people who sent guns down there."

#18 House Republicans are now asking for a special prosecutor to be appointed to investigate whether or not U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder lied to Congress during his recent testimony in front of the House Judiciary Committee on Operation Fast and Furious.

#19 U.S. Representative Darrell Issa believes that those involved in the Fast and Furious gun trafficking operation may have violated international arms trafficking agreements and could potentially face very serious criminal charges.

#20 U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley is absolutely convinced that a major coverup is going on....

"But I can tell you this. They're doing everything they can, in a fast and furious way, to cover up all the evidence or stonewalling us. But here's the issue, if he didn't perjure himself and didn't know about it, the best way that they can help us, Congressman Issa and me, is to just issue all the documents that we ask for and those documents will prove one way or the other right or wrong."

#21 Did Barack Obama ever know about Operation Fast and Furious?  He says that he did not authorize the program.  On March 22, 2011 Obama made the following statement....

"I did not authorize [Fast and Furious]. Eric Holder, the attorney general, did not authorize it. There may be a situation here in which a serious mistake was made. If that’s the case, then we’ll find — find out and we’ll hold somebody accountable."

#22 CBS News investigative journalist Sharyl Attkisson claimed on the Laura Ingraham show the other day that officials in the Obama administration were literally screaming and yelling at her for aggressively investigating the Fast and Furious scandal....

Ingraham: So they were literally screaming at you?
Attkisson: Yes. Well the DOJ woman was just yelling at me. The guy from the White House on Friday night literally screamed at me and cussed at me. [Laura: Who was the person? Who was the person at Justice screaming?] Eric Schultz. Oh, the person screaming was [DOJ spokeswoman] Tracy Schmaler, she was yelling not screaming. And the person who screamed at me was Eric Schultz at the White House."

Where there is smoke there is usually fire.

Something about this whole thing really stinks.

It would be a shame if Operation Fast and Furious is allowed to be swept under the rug.

The weapons sold during Operation Fast and Furious are going to be used to kill a lot of people.  The legacy of this scandal will be felt on both sides of the border for years to come.

The Mexican government deserves some answers.

The American people deserve some answers.

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Pressure Grows for Holder's Resignation; Subpoenas Threatened
Sunday, 09 Oct 2011
By Newsmax Wires

Pressure is intensifying rapidly for the resignation of Attorney General Eric Holder over the fatally flawed Operation Fast and Furious gunrunning scandal — with Rep. Paul Gosar demanding that Holder quit immediately and Arizona sheriffs saying he should be fired if he won’t resign.

Gosar, an Arizona Republican, issued the call for Holder’s resignation on “Fox and Friends” today.

Meanwhile, Rep. Darrell Issa said on “Fox News Sunday” that his House Oversight and Government Reform Committee may issue subpoenas against top Justice Department officials as early as this week over the controversial Operation Fast and Furious gunrunning scandal. The California Republican indicated that some government actions in the Fast and Furious scheme of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) could have been felonious.

Arizona sheriffs would welcome such subpoenas, as they called Friday not only for Holder to step down or be fired but also for President Barack Obama to instigate an independent investigation into the controversy.

And U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley, who has been dogging Fast and Furious along with Issa, maintains that Holder is stonewalling their investigations — and he’s tired of it. I always tell every agency . . . that I have been investigating, the longer you stonewall, when the truth comes out, the more egg you are going to have on your face,” the ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee told Newsmax last week.

Under Fast and Furious, at least 1,400 weapons were allowed to cross the border into Mexico in the hope that they could be traced and would lead ATF agents to cartel bosses.

But ATF lost track of most of the weapons, many of which have been linked to dozens of crimes, including the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and the slaying of Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agent Jaime Zapata.

The Arizona sheriffs, speaking at the state capitol in Phoenix on Friday, denounced the 2009 ATF program as a betrayal of state law enforcement. Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu noted that the sheriffs joining him in calling for the investigation are split evenly between Democrats and Republicans.

“This is not a partisan issue, but a serious public safety issue that threatens the safety of our citizens and our deputies,” Babeu said. “Our own federal government has armed the very cartels that our law enforcement are fighting with on a daily basis.”

The sheriffs’ plea for an inquiry came even as Holder himself acknowledged Friday in a five-page letter he sent to six leading members of Congress that the gunrunning operation was “fundamentally flawed” and “completely unacceptable."

However, much of Holder’s letter spurned responsibility for the backfired program and assailed Republican criticism instead. Holder’s letter attacked Gosar specifically for his statement last week that administration officials could be considered “accessories to murder” for their role in the ATF program.

“Such irresponsible and inflammatory rhetoric must be repudiated in the strongest possible terms,” Holder's letter said. “Those who serve in the ranks of law enforcement are our Nation’s heroes and deserve our Nation’s thanks, not the disrespect that is being heaped on them by those who seek political advantage. I trust you feel similarly and I call on you to denounce these statements.”

Gosar refuses to do any such thing, insisting instead that the real issue is the need for government officials to take accountability for their actions.

“This starts with accountability from the top,” said Gosar, who also is a member of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

Pinpointing accountability also is the intent of subpoenas that Issa promises. Issa, who indicated on “Fox News Sunday” that some government actions in Fast and Furious could have been felonious, said his committee intends to grill Justice officials, including Holder, to determine "what did they know and when did they know it?"

"Very clearly he [Holder] had to know when Brian Terry was killed and everyone realized these were Fast and Furious weapons," Issa said. "He had to know something serious had happened, and that's months before he says he knew. If we assume for a moment he didn't know, the question is, is he competent? If in fact a border patrol agent has been murdered, 2,000 weapons have gone [missing], this program has completely gone off the rails — why didn't he know?"

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Holder-resignation-Issa-Gosar/2011/10/09/id/413756

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I'm hearing Hillary is gong to be enmeshed in this soon too. 

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I'm hearing Hillary is gong to be enmeshed in this soon too. 

I'm hearing Hillary is gong to be enmeshed in this soon too. 

where are you hearing it?  secret sources that the rest of us don't have access to?


linkpleaes

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where are you hearing it?  secret sources that the rest of us don't have access to?


linkpleaes

Cleanupatf.org. 


Apparently treaties were violated and Hillary was involved in the new gun tracing effort as she spent a lot of time making those speeches right before fast n furious got underway in Mexico.   Look up a guy named Voth. 

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Rep. Issa says Fast and Furious subpoenas will be issued soon
cnn.com ^ | Oct. 9, 2011 | CNN Wire Staff
Posted on October 9, 2011 10:19:31 PM EDT by Free ThinkerNY

Washington (CNN) -- House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa said Sunday that he could issue subpoenas to the Justice Department this week in connection to a now-discredited federal gunrunning operation.

Speaking on "Fox News Sunday," Issa said that he wants a better understanding of who knew what, when about Operation Fast and Furious.

"But more importantly, we have to understand at what level did the authorization really come?" he said.

"People at the top of (the) Justice (Department) were well briefed, knew about it and seemed to be the command and control and funding for this program."

The operation involved agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allowing illegal sales of guns believed to be destined for Mexican drug cartels to "walk" from Phoenix, Arizona, gun stores into Mexico.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...

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sounds like some conspiracy theory shit.


doesn't mean it's false. 


but we at getbig like to paint all CTs as stupid and impossible until they're on FOX news.

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sounds like some conspiracy theory shit.


doesn't mean it's false. 


but we at getbig like to paint all CTs as stupid and impossible until they're on FOX news.

Apparently a waiver needed to be granted in order to go through with the scheme since it violated along standing treaty dealing with arms and the waiver needed to come fro state department. 

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33,

are you saying there was a concerted effort by top ranking officials in the US govt to allow the sale of thousands of weapons to drug gangs?

And the purpose was to cause violence which can help their political agenda?

You do know how CT that sounds.  Don't you?  You are prob right... but how does it sound?  lol...

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33,

are you saying there was a concerted effort by top ranking officials in the US govt to allow the sale of thousands of weapons to drug gangs?

And the purpose was to cause violence which can help their political agenda?

You do know how CT that sounds.  Don't you?  You are prob right... but how does it sound?  lol...

actually - that is one of the top CTs going around.  Obama feared ZETAs and tried to arm the Sinola cartel to ward off violence by the Zetas over the border.   

The other CT is the 2 nd amend CT. 

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lots of parallels to the wars overseas in this one

But wait, repubs don't arm bad guys to serve their goals.  Only dems do that shit.  Bush lost all those money and guns, but that shit wasn't on purpose...

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lots of parallels to the wars overseas in this one

But wait, repubs don't arm bad guys to serve their goals.  Only dems do that shit.  Bush lost all those money and guns, but that shit wasn't on purpose...

It's a lot different when it involves local gun stores who say they were used and dead LE. 

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It's a lot different when it involves local gun stores who say they were used and dead LE. 

2 dead americans LE, right?

pallets of guns and millions and milions of dollars disappearing in Iraq...

Maybe given to local warlords to 'keep the peace' and subdue other groups we dislike...

And these guns and $ used on way more than 2 of our troops....


You're right, it is a lot different.  A lot worse. 

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i'm not defedning obama btw.  i think holder and rummy should share a cell lol...

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2 dead americans LE, right?

pallets of guns and millions and milions of dollars disappearing in Iraq...

Maybe given to local warlords to 'keep the peace' and subdue other groups we dislike...

And these guns and $ used on way more than 2 of our troops....


You're right, it is a lot different.  A lot worse. 

difference is, wrongly or rightly, what goes on 3000 miles away os a lot more easily concealed.  

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difference is, wrongly or rightly, what goes on 3000 miles away os a lot more easily concealed. 

it's only concealed by fox and the white house.  the rest of us kinda knew about it. 

IMHO, 9 BILLION (as of 2005 alone... more since) in lost money and weapons hurts american (troops!) much worse than guns sent down south.  but yeah, both suck.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.audit/

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Has anyone come up with a date Obama is resigning yet?

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Local radio host scores Fast & Furious interview with Sharyl Attkisson
By John Goodman, Philadelphia Conservative Examiner



..Local early morning radio host Chris Stigall landed a huge interview with CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson this Thursday on 1210 WPHT.

The Washington bureau reporter has been at the center of a political firestorm since disclosing that White House Associate Communications Director Eric Schultz “literally screamed at me and cussed at me," after she pursued a CBS investigation into the Justice Department’s (DOJ) botched “Fast and Furious” operation.

Investigations into the fallout of the debacle seem to implicate one cabinet level official of misleading a congressional hearing and may encompass the Departments of Justice, State, and Homeland Security.

Fast and Furious itself involved DOJ’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms (ATF) funneling hundreds of guns into Mexico for intelligence gathering purposes.  US officials lost track of the weapons, which have since been linked to a series of deaths involving drug cartels as well as the murder of border patrol agent Brian Perry last December.

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This Thursday, Philadelphia CBS radio host Chris Stigall interviewed his colleague regarding her investigation, asking her to put the story’s significance into perspective.


“Since the very beginning, those who knew a lot more about this case than I did, including officials who work for the Obama Administration – this is nothing particularly against him or anyone else who happened to be in charge – they have said this is bigger than Iran Contra.  They have said this is bigger than Watergate.” Attkisson replied.


The CBS investigative reporter also noted, “The idea that this started as one whistleblower that pretty much all the officials were painting out to be a liar – an ATF agent in Phoenix.  And to see where this has moved over the months to officials admitting, okay this program was going on but it was isolated to Phoenix, Arizona. Then saying, okay people did know about it at ATF headquarters, but that’s where it stopped.  To saying, ok the White House and DOJ did know about Fast & Furious but they didn’t know about the details.”

Stigall asked Attkisson whether Justice Department head Eric Holder was aware of the operation when he testified before Congress in May.

Attkisson answered that, “Fast and Furious was mentioned at least as far back in memos to the Attorney General as July, 2010.  There are briefings from two different organizations, the National Drug Intelligence Center that went directly to the Attorney General as well as from Lanny Breuer, the head of his criminal division in DOJ that mentioned Fast and Furious.”

She then elaborated, “And not just in passing, not just one sentence – these are paragraphs that discuss – they don’t say anything about gun walking.  They don’t say we’re letting guns walk into Mexico.  But they say things like we have a program going on that’s getting ready for prosecution this is called Fast and Furious.  And it’s resulting in over 1,000 guns that are…being found in Mexico with the drug cartels.  It mentions specific cartels in some cases.  I mean, it’s there.  And we don’t have all the briefings.  We don’t know what verbal briefings took place.  And we don’t have all the documents yet.  These are partial documents that have been turned over by the Department of Justice to congress.”

The Philadelphia radio host then queried, “Do you believe Sharyl that this goes beyond the Department of Justice because of the international nature and the homeland security nature?  I have read people surmising that this has to involve almost by definition it must involve the Secretary of State’s office and the Department of Homeland Security.”

“Congress is trying to find that out, they’ve been asking for documents from the State Department and other departments and haven’t always gotten – well, they haven’t gotten a lot of what they asked for, so they don’t know yet.” Attkisson replied.

Chris Stigall’s interview with Sharyl Attkisson not only illustrated Eric Holder’s prior knowledge of Fast and Furious; it revealed the unfolding story’s scope to be far greater than what first appeared an embarrassment for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.

That questions about ‘who knew what when’ span multiple federal departments indicate this may be only the tip of a sizable political iceberg.

A free podcast of Chris Stegal's full interview with CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson is available here

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it's only concealed by fox and the white house.  the rest of us kinda knew about it. 

IMHO, 9 BILLION (as of 2005 alone... more since) in lost money and weapons hurts american (troops!) much worse than guns sent down south.  but yeah, both suck.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.audit/

33,

how angry would be be if over nine BILLION DOLLARS had gone missing to mexican gangs?  And if 4000 americans were dead as a result?

that's how pissed the anti-war people are.  You're starting to show some serious passion.  That's how they feel.  They realize it is entirely possible for our govt to "let" guns and ammo and $ get sentto bad guys.  Serves some agenda.