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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #50 on: July 07, 2011, 05:03:51 PM »
Read some of the shit on this site Taserwatch.  Unbelievable what "they" are getting away with

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #51 on: July 07, 2011, 05:04:32 PM »
999 out of 1000 cops would have the brain to simply roll him over and cuff him no need to circle boot him, and your argument about him being high or something is more of a reason not to beat him up....also your argument about if he listened....well if they would have shot him would the same argument apply?... sorry chick I am usually on your side against these clowns that dis bodybuilding yet they live on bodybuilding forums all day long but this is irrational thinking

the " argument" is without merit IF he simply follows the command....end of story. The rest never takes place...he's a victim of his own circumstance.

it's really a simple process...let's say you get pulled over for a routine traffic infraction...officer walks up, asks for your license and reg...instead of just giving it to him...you tell him to go fuck himself.  now YOU have created a situation which was unnecessary.  now he will treat you as hostile, and it opens up a whole new can or worms...The officer will now wonder why you're acting irrationally, perhaps order you out of the car, search the car, etc...

option 1...simply give him the required info, receive a warning for your illegal U turn, and be on your way to eat dinner with your family, 1o-15 minutes delayed

Option 2...  give the officer attitude, be defiant, escalate the situation...get your ass tased...be hauled off to jail...be issued tickets for illegal U turn, failure to produce a valid license, resisting arrest,etc...

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #52 on: July 07, 2011, 05:07:04 PM »
Apparently cops can only get in trouble for using tasers on other cops. lol


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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #53 on: July 07, 2011, 05:09:52 PM »
Bob Chick is the same guy that said the Austin police were in the right when they tasered an 80 year old woman on the side of the freeway a couple years back.

They could have killed a comatose 96 year old quadriplegic in a nursing home execution style and he would somehow justify it because he was a sheriff "deputy" for a couple years in between illegal drug cycles.

He is the biggest pro cop Homer on getbig.com by far.

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #54 on: July 07, 2011, 05:12:18 PM »
the " argument" is without merit IF he simply follows the command....end of story. The rest never takes place...he's a victim of his own circumstance.

it's really a simple process...let's say you get pulled over for a routine traffic infraction...officer walks up, asks for your license and reg...instead of just giving it to him...you tell him to go fuck himself.  now YOU have created a situation which was unnecessary.  now he will treat you as hostile, and it opens up a whole new can or worms...The officer will now wonder why you're acting irrationally, perhaps order you out of the car, search the car, etc...

option 1...simply give him the required info, receive a warning for your illegal U turn, and be on your way to eat dinner with your family, 1o-15 minutes delayed

Option 2...  give the officer attitude, be defiant, escalate the situation...get your ass tased...be hauled off to jail...be issued tickets for illegal U turn, failure to produce a valid license, resisting arrest,etc...
Your argument holds water, but only if its in range, you don't crucify someone for spitting on the sidewalk

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #55 on: July 07, 2011, 05:15:35 PM »
Bob Chick is the same guy that said the Austin police were in the right when they tasered an 80 year old woman on the side of the freeway a couple years back.

They could have killed a comatose 96 year old quadriplegic in a nursing home execution style and he would somehow justify it because he was a sheriff "deputy" for a couple years in between illegal drug cycles.

He is the biggest pro cop Homer on getbig.com by far.
the irony of all the illegal drugs hes used , what a scum bag

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #56 on: July 07, 2011, 05:22:28 PM »
Your argument holds water, but only if its in range, you don't crucify someone for spitting on the sidewalk

exactly my point...you're right, you dont crucify  him for spitting on the sidewalk...you crucify him for making a routine, simple procedure into one that was completely unnecessary.

same logic applies....

cop: excuse me sir...would you mind not spitting on the sidewalk?

Jerk off:  fuck you, Pig...you don't tell me what to do...I'll spit wherever and whenever I want...


Once again...a simple, No problem, Sir...would have sufficed...everyone moves on with their day

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #57 on: July 07, 2011, 05:45:01 PM »
exactly my point...you're right, you dont crucify  him for spitting on the sidewalk...you crucify him for making a routine, simple procedure into one that was completely unnecessary.

same logic applies....

cop: excuse me sir...would you mind not spitting on the sidewalk?

Jerk off:  fuck you, Pig...you don't tell me what to do...I'll spit wherever and whenever I want...


Once again...a simple, No problem, Sir...would have sufficed...everyone moves on with their day
ya thats right keep ignoring me illegal drugs user

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #58 on: July 07, 2011, 05:56:36 PM »
had he followed command, there is no need to escalate....just another moron trying to be a tough guy, ultimately inviting to police to beat him (more) senseless....

Chick, if you had attended the police academy, then you would know that if a person is not complying but not resisting as well and unarmed, then you only use a appropriate amount force on him to subdue and contain.  The officers should have rolled him over themselves as he was unarmed, picked him up and placed him into the vehicle instead of continuing to beat on him with a baton, kick him, and tase him for 10 minutes.

Of course he's not going to fucking comply....he's drunk and intoxicated.   

Idiots pretty much cost the county a lot of money.  Honestly, Chick, I have to say that I'm very disappointed in your answer as it is insensitive and crude.  Police officers are not omnipotent and have to follow the proper rules of engagement of anyone suspected of a crime.  They cannot be judge and jury and certainly cannot act this way.  If you're still working as a reserve deputy then I hope you don't pull the same stuff that they did or your ass will be in some serious trouble.

 
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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #59 on: July 07, 2011, 05:59:35 PM »
The cop would have come off so much better if they had let the man take a simple piss and then if the guy continued to talk shit, then you break bones.

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #60 on: July 07, 2011, 06:04:44 PM »
Police serve the same purpose for the elites as the military.  They reinforce through violence or the threat of violence an order of privilege for monied interests.  Police assert this order on the domestic population.  Altruistic feelings applied to either group are a delusional appeal to believing you are free.

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #61 on: July 07, 2011, 06:17:03 PM »
Chick, if you had attended the police academy, then you would know that if a person is not complying but not resisting as well and unarmed, then you only use a appropriate amount force on him to subdue and contain.  The officers should have rolled him over themselves as he was unarmed, picked him up and placed him into the vehicle instead of continuing to beat on him with a baton, kick him, and tase him for 10 minutes.

Idiots pretty much cost the county a lot of money.  Honestly, Chick, I have to say that I'm very disappointed in your answer as it is insensitive and crude.  Police officers are not omnipotent and have to follow the proper rules of engagement of anyone suspected of a crime.  They cannot be judge and jury and certainly cannot act this way.  If you're still working as a reserve deputy then I hope you don't pull the same stuff that they did or your ass will be in some serious trouble.

 

Im looking at a portion of the tape, like everyone else....I have no idea what led to this...I see a car in the yard,  looks like it might have been a chase..? If a guy is blatently disregarding a direct order, then I have no idea what hes capable of, or why he's doing it....could have a weapon hidden, could be looking to engage in a fight, could be a biter...any of a number of things...none of which Im willing to put myself, or my fellow officers,  into harms way...

No matter how you dice it up...the fact remains, had he complied with the command given...none of the rest plays out...period.

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #62 on: July 07, 2011, 06:22:06 PM »
the " argument" is without merit IF he simply follows the command....end of story. The rest never takes place...he's a victim of his own circumstance.

it's really a simple process...let's say you get pulled over for a routine traffic infraction...officer walks up, asks for your license and reg...instead of just giving it to him...you tell him to go fuck himself.  now YOU have created a situation which was unnecessary.  now he will treat you as hostile, and it opens up a whole new can or worms...The officer will now wonder why you're acting irrationally, perhaps order you out of the car, search the car, etc...

option 1...simply give him the required info, receive a warning for your illegal U turn, and be on your way to eat dinner with your family, 1o-15 minutes delayed

Option 2...  give the officer attitude, be defiant, escalate the situation...get your ass tased...be hauled off to jail...be issued tickets for illegal U turn, failure to produce a valid license, resisting arrest,etc...


Getting cursed at is nothing, everyone hates getting tickets.  You have to maintain temperance and a clear head.  He could be having a bad day, his mother could have passed away...you never know what's going on with people when you pull someone over.  And you can't tase the person unless he makes an aggressive move toward you or reaches for a weapon.


This guy on the video was drunk on his own property and had nothing to do with the reason the police officers were out there.  He was also unarmed.  Whatever he was charged with will be dropped either due to double jeopardy or due to having no basis of arrest.  Then comes the lawsuit and out goes taxpayers dollars
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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #63 on: July 07, 2011, 06:31:36 PM »
Im looking at a portion of the tape, like everyone else....I have no idea what led to this...I see a car in the yard,  looks like it might have been a chase..? If a guy is blatently disregarding a direct order, then I have no idea what hes capable of, or why he's doing it....could have a weapon hidden, could be looking to engage in a fight, could be a biter...any of a number of things...none of which Im willing to put myself, or my fellow officers,  into harms way...

No matter how you dice it up...the fact remains, had he complied with the command given...none of the rest plays out...period.

Its clear from the tape that he's drunk and they acknowledged that he was drunk.  There's no use in yelling commands to a person that is currently incapable of understanding those commands.  In addition, a taser disrupts voluntary control of the muscles so if the guy continues to tase him as he did, he's not going to be able to move anyway. 

He should have only been tased once at most, handcuffed, picked up and put into the squad car and that would have been the end of it.  Three minutes at most.  Instead, they continued to tase, kick, and beat the suspect with a baton for over 10 minutes.

  
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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #64 on: July 07, 2011, 06:32:50 PM »

Getting cursed at is nothing, everyone hates getting tickets.  You have to maintain temperance and a clear head.  He could be having a bad day, his mother could have passed away...you never know what's going on with people when you pull someone over.  And you can't tase the person unless he makes an aggressive move toward you or reaches for a weapon.


This guy on the video was drunk on his own property and had nothing to do with the reason the police officers were out there.  He was also unarmed.  Whatever he was charged with will be dropped either due to double jeopardy or due to having no basis of arrest.  Then comes the lawsuit and out goes taxpayers dollars

Its not the officers job to be Dr. Phil...He's doing his job.  Everyone has an excuse....everyone has a story...it doesnt excuse the infraction, law broken, etc...If I pulled a guy over for speeding 30 over the limit..., there are few reasons that justify it. The fact he could be having a "bad day", is no excuse...especially if its putting innocent people that ARENT having a bad day, in harms way.

But, if simply asking for I.D. and Reg illicits a response other than, "Yes sir, here you go"....than more often than not, there is an underlying reason, which will prompt the officer t treat the problem differently than the hundreds of others that week that somehow managed to follow instruction, and go about their day without further problem...

Its tough to speculate further without knowing what led to the officers instructing him...I highly doubt he was on his own property, minding his own business when out of no where  5 cops decided to fuck with him for absolutely no reason...

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #65 on: July 07, 2011, 06:38:12 PM »
most people don't know that Cops deal with a lot shit sometimes. the General public can sometime be ignorant, uncivilized. most cops try to follow textbook style according to their job training, but this moron, whatever he was under the influence of, didn't give a shit about police orders, the cops can't take any chances with this idiot and they had to do what they had to do.........this is a classic case of rules of engagement. you don't like it, well, too Bad

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #66 on: July 07, 2011, 06:49:13 PM »
Its not the officers job to be Dr. Phil...He's doing his job.  Everyone has an excuse....everyone has a story...it doesnt excuse the infraction, law broken, etc...If I pulled a guy over for speeding 30 over the limit..., there are few reasons that justify it. The fact he could be having a "bad day", is no excuse...especially if its putting innocent people that ARENT having a bad day, in harms way.

But, if simply asking for I.D. and Reg illicits a response other than, "Yes sir, here you go"....than more often than not, there is an underlying reason, which will prompt the officer t treat the problem differently than the hundreds of others that week that somehow managed to follow instruction, and go about their day without further problem...

Its tough to speculate further without knowing what led to the officers instructing him...I highly doubt he was on his own property, minding his own business when out of no where  5 cops decided to fuck with him for absolutely no reason...


Actually, an officer has to sometimes be Dr Phil or did you forget the course in verbal judo you took.  When an inmate or suspect cursed at me, instead of beating the tar out of them, I asked him what's wrong.  99% of the time, they'll tell you and from there you can defuse the situation which is what you're suppose to do. 

You can't defuse everyone of course but you're less likely to get hurt or killed.  Its all about going home at the end of the day or where we all went after work which was Playworld to shoot pool and drink some brew. 

     
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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #67 on: July 07, 2011, 06:52:57 PM »
most people don't know that Cops deal with a lot shit sometimes. the General public can sometime be ignorant, uncivilized. most cops try to follow textbook style according to their job training, but this moron, whatever he was under the influence of, didn't give a shit about police orders, the cops can't take any chances with this idiot and they had to do what they had to do.........this is a classic case of rules of engagement. you don't like it, well, too Bad

He's drunk, unarmed and well beaten and tased and he's moaning and groaning in pain, not to mention on his own property. 
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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #68 on: July 07, 2011, 06:56:25 PM »
Those cops deserve a bullet to the head.  They had ample opportunity to shackle his ankles and then cuff his hands.

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #69 on: July 07, 2011, 08:42:11 PM »
 guys.. i am not making excuses for the cops.. but for the love of pete just do what he says.. if you do what they ask you dont get a beat down.. it is always the "tough guy" that decides to confront them that gets his ass beat.. again, i hate police brutality.. but if ya do what they ask 9 times out of 10 it is pretty uneventful..

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #70 on: July 07, 2011, 09:07:55 PM »
Whenever I hear some tool making excuses for the pigs, it just tells me that he or she hasn't been fucked over by the system (yet).

Yes, you need to fully comply when being confronted by them.  You'll be doing yourself a HUGE favor.  But if any of them step out of line with you, you should immediately file a complaint.  

A complaint is a powerful tool because:

*It places a flag in his file that will stay with him forever.  Whenever he seeks a promotion, all complaints against him will be considered.

*When combined with additional complaints from other citizens, it may cause him to be released from duty.

*It will provide evidence against him if he is ever in legal trouble for fucking someone over (which will happen sooner or later).

*It will help to show a pattern of abusive behavior that can again cause him to be released from duty.

Bottom line, it is your patriotic duty to formally complain if a servant such as this acts out of line with you or with anyone else.

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #71 on: July 07, 2011, 09:38:30 PM »
The cops shouldn't have that much power. They shouldn't beat you down like that for not following commands. I hope people start to retaliate more. Maybe a few of these tough guy cops need to get hurt or killed.


Cops get hurt and killed all the time stupid. it is a very dangerous job. when u have a guy on pcp or other drugs and can be a fight to the death. according to this video they may have went to far. i wouldn't have kicked him while he was on the ground for sure..but you can't see what is really going on. he may have  bit one of them for all we know. my point is not all cops are bad and alot of guys bring all the so called police brutatlity on themselves
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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #72 on: July 07, 2011, 09:47:48 PM »
I fucking hate cops...and i have a squeeky clean record. Fuck the police....
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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #73 on: July 07, 2011, 09:54:56 PM »
I fucking hate cops...and i have a squeeky clean record. Fuck the police....

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #74 on: July 07, 2011, 09:56:56 PM »
Unfortunately cant tell the good from the bad so i hate them all. Obviously they arent all bad. Byt fuck em.
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