This is police brutality, and probably not deserved

[makaveli25]

Lets not take this out of context.  That's a 19 year old girl that he punched as she was clearly interfering with the officer making an arrest.  The punch was clear justified as she had grabbed him. 

That bitch deserved what she got!

[Tito24]

women think they can do anything without getting hit

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

to answer you SPECIFICALLY...

was it Ok?  I don't know the circumstances....nor do you as you admitted...did he have a weapon?  was he hostile before the tape rolled? Did he claim to have a knife, etc...leading the officers to resort to use of the taser? was he a biter...did he claim to have AIDS, and threatened to bite if they touched him?

Any of these questions would have to be answered before any of us could make a reasonable determination as to whether or not the deputies acted accordingly...what we DO know, is that NUMEROUS commands were given, and ignored...even after being tased.

The fact that  you, a supposed lawyer, would not automatically ask these questions before mAking a statement based entirely on speculation and assumption...speaks volumes.

Chick, it doesn't matter what happened prior to the videotape,  he was clearly subdued and contained.  He's not complying because he's drunk and is receiving continued taser shots.  There's no reasonable explanation to continue to kick, beat, and tase someone for that period of time.  

The use of force has to be equal to the situation and that certainly wasn't.  

[mass243]

Lets not take this out of context.  That's a 19 year old girl that he punched as she was clearly interfering with the officer making an arrest.  The punch was clear justified as she had grabbed him. 

Sorry I understood wrong... the girl that was beaten in cell at the end of video was 15?

And yes, First girl was interfering the officers work but hey, not reason to punch her LOL.

[mass243]

women think they can do anything without getting hit

Yep.
But it's not cops job to hit them... boyfriends will teach them if they see it necessary.

[coltrane]

Chick, it doesn't matter what happened prior to the videotape,  he was clearly subdued and contained.  He's not complying because he's drunk and is receiving continued taser shots.  There's no reasonable explanation to continue to kick, beat, and tase someone for that period of time.  The use of force has to be equal to the situation and that certainly wasn't.  

Exactly.

BUT, an officer can use one level higher than the force they are being confronted with.  (unless you live by Chick's level, which is use any level you feel like on that given day, as you're a "cop"!)

[Natural Man]

Because police act as if they are in a constant warzone.  Not all members of the citizenry are packing heat waiting to shoot at an officer.  99% of the people police officers encounters are non-criminals.  In more and more precincts, police are being armed with military-style weaponry and equipment.  To many people, they appear to be a legitimized taxpayer paid gang rather than public servants.

Quick personal story:  I had applied to a local police agency where I was told during the official interview that they had more interest in a guy who had gotten an honorable discharge from the Army and had been serving in Iraq and Afghanistan the past 4 to 5 years.  I was floored.  I presumed(wrongly) that having a Bachelors in Criminal Justice, honorable discharge from the Navy, some LE work in the Coast Guard, and a former Corrections and Probation Officer would get me in a heartbeat.  I easily passed all the physical and written tests.  Instead, the agency wanted an Infantryman to pound the streets of a mostly upper middle class suburban neighborhood.  I appreciate what servicemen do for their country, but in my opinion, combat professionals have NO business in police work.

recruiters are specialists and often have some basic knowledges in psychology. If they decide you do not fit the job, it means you certainly wouldnt fit the job. They know it better than you. There are tons of criterias (your appearance, your attitude) we cannot know from your story. Also you might well be bullshitting us with your resume. You re just butthurt cause you wanted to be one of them but cause you got rejected you re criticizing them. Wonder what would be your story if you had been selected? Hypocrit. No wonder you werent selected.

[mesmorph78]

nothing is worse than those power hungry female cops.  that's all i would like to add

x 10
most time worse than the males... because they feel they have something to prove

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Sorry I understood wrong... the girl that was beaten in cell at the end of video was 15?

And yes, First girl was interfering the officers work but hey, not reason to punch her LOL.

I would have and I've done that although not to the face but to the gut instead or a leg sweep

[IrishMuscle84]

"sustained cracked ribs and a punctured lung after he was stripped naked by deputies, beaten and shocked repeatedly with a Taser gun, according to a Wednesday court filing."

and we are paying POLICE officers too beat up, taze, demean, people.

[Chick]

Those questions would obviously come out on direct exam, if not on cross.  Obviously your LACK of having the same degree as a lawyer does is shining through or you'd know that.  I have both the certificate of academy, as well as a law degree.  I'm doubting you have neither.

You post about circumstances leading up to the arrest etc.  Isn't it taught that if a suspect's force level comes down, the police officer's should as well??  This should ring a bell to you Chick, if indeed you graduated.  

If you were still a police officer on duty, and you made those statements about "inviting" a beat down, you'd be on paid leave idiot.  You really, REALLY need to think before you speak/write.

Lol...please.  Were not  talking about a trial....were talking about having the intelligence of not making a statement based on limited knowledge of the situation...which is what you were (allegedly) taught in the first 5 minutes of law school...

As you conveniently didn't address any of the hypothetical questions that I posted...it makes all the difference in the works as to what preceded the video in question...was he bleeding all over the place and claiming to be HIV positive?  Tell you right now...I wouldnt be touching him w my hands either...the fools use that as a weapon more often than not...believing it will result in them not being touched, when in actuality, it will lead to EXACTLY what you just saw...using other means necessary.

Bottom line is still the same...comply with the command given, and there isn't a problem. 

[coltrane]

Boy, where to begin with "Chick".

Again, "Chick", you do not have any law degree.  I do.  You wouldn't have the foggiest clue what is taught in the first 5 minutes of law school.... let alone anything past a second year in college, Mr. Associate's Degree.  You can muster all the arguments you want...  and do all the bashing you need to, but in the end, youre completely wrong on this topic.  The officer was wrong as well.  You're now resorting to attacking me and your insecurity of only being a wanna-be cop and flunkee bodybuilder is rupturing to the surface.

As i've stated before, which is accurate, the guy on the ground is not using any force against the officers.  Therefore, the cops shouldve just cuffed the guy and made the arrest.  Instead, they continued to beat him for minutes.

Perhaps he "invited" them to do this?

"Chick", you've shown youre a moron in the past, but please, stop repeating your performance here.

[mass243]

Bottom line is still the same...comply with the command given, and there isn't a problem.  

[The_Punisher]

Oh, look at how brave American cops are

It really takes a man to punch 15 yo girl in face, doesn't it Bob Chick 

shit, I would have punch that bitch in the face too and knock a couple of her teeth out.......these bitches need Manners. she attacked a police officer, what did you expect to happen?.......apparently, the officer didn't smack her hard enough, she's still standing....hahahahah

[The Showstoppa]

shit, I would have punch that bitch in the face too and knock a couple of her teeth out.......these bitches need Manners. she attacked a police officer, what did you expect to happen?.......apparently, the officer didn't smack her hard enough, she's still standing....hahahahah

Exactly, if it had been a man would anybody have a word to say?

[noc]

Chick condones several men beating on a person that's lying on the floor, probably a similar scenario to that of the Mirage hotel.

[Chick]

Boy, where to begin with "Chick".

Again, "Chick", you do not have any law degree.  I do.  You wouldn't have the foggiest clue what is taught in the first 5 minutes of law school.... let alone anything past a second year in college, Mr. Associate's Degree.  You can muster all the arguments you want...  and do all the bashing you need to, but in the end, youre completely wrong on this topic.  The officer was wrong as well.  You're now resorting to attacking me and your insecurity of only being a wanna-be cop and flunkee bodybuilder is rupturing to the surface.

As i've stated before, which is accurate, the guy on the ground is not using any force against the officers.  Therefore, the cops shouldve just cuffed the guy and made the arrest.  Instead, they continued to beat him for minutes.

Perhaps he "invited" them to do this?

"Chick", you've shown youre a moron in the past, but please, stop repeating your performance here.

and again...you fail to address any of the points that I've brought up...

As for any " law degree"...please...you're an anonymous guy on the internet, sky is the limit.

given your lack of ability to counter my points in a cohesive manner...I would bet against you having ANY degree, much less one in law. 

To simply pretend that the only thing that matters is the few minutes of footage you can see...is ludicrous at best.  Any of the points I've brought up would be more than enough to make the officers escalate the need for force...not to mention why there is more than one unit called in for backup...that alone should give you a clue that there is more than meets the eye as to the alleged actions of the man...

by trying to make yourself out to be a smart lawyer, all you've managed to do is expose yourself as either a bullshitter...or a very poor lawyer at best.

[SilverSpoon]

The problem usually lies with the Judges.  The city judge I deal with is SO pro-cop and pro=prosecutor that the cops get away with so much, from this type of behavior to violations of search/seizure.  Numerous defense attorneys have raised these issues in the court, but the judge just doesn't side with the defense.  And generally these petty criminals don't have to funds to sue a city over the brutality of the police force.  

What about the appeals process?  Sometimes as an attorney, you have to bite the bullet and take the appeal pro bono. 
Get him/her overturned a few times on what should be very clear search/seizure issues, and I guarantee you have gained a whole lot of respect from that judge.
I don't know what state you are in, but my home state's way of appointing municipal judges and prosecutors is ridiculous, as the judge is appointed by the mayor, and the prosecutor is beholden to the local police (i.e. if the prosecutor is deemed to be "too soft" on crime, the police complain to the mayor, and oila, you have a new prosecutor).

[Fortress]

Fuck the institution of police officers.

A majority of these "heroes" is simply on the other side of the very thin line that separates villains and, well, "officers of the court". They could just as easily been criminals. Power hungry assholes who don't truly care about serving the public but rather enjoy the allowances of their badges, guns and backup.

To kick this guy repeatedly in his sides and on his legs when he is clearly of no threat is pathetic and deplorable.

Chick says he should have followed commands. Give it a rest. I, too, have done formal police training (four months for the RCMP), and what I see in that video is insane and paints the officers as criminals who should have their badges taken away IMMEDIATELY.

 

[Jack T. Cross]

THIS^^^^

Not all of them, but enough of them that it's a real problem.

Yes, enough of them that it's developed this particular culture.  A very strong, very damaging culture, no doubt about it.

[Jack T. Cross]

I have to admit, a lot of guys I kinda previously thought were dickheads are making some great arguments here, pro-citizen.

[mesmorph78]

chick..paying devis advocate...
if your brother..cousin or friend or wife did something wrong and was subdued and drunk on the floor
would you stand there and let the police kick them in the head repeatedly and taser them?
would you stand there and say serve you right listen to the cops....

[LittleJ]

I usually agree with chick but not in this case. Those cops need to be locked up.

[Chick]

chick..paying devis advocate...
if your brother..cousin or friend or wife did something wrong and was subdued and drunk on the floor
would you stand there and let the police kick them in the head repeatedly and taser them?
would you stand there and say serve you right listen to the cops....

I've never had any family member in a situation like this...or even remotely close to it.  If any of them were...I would hope they wouldn't be stupid enough to not be able to follow a simple command, which could  escalate the situation into something completely avoidable....

I think most aren't smart enough to see the big picture here, which is that we don't know the circumstances which led to this altercation...tht there is back up on scene, and a reason the officers felt they needed to use force...which STILL could have been avoided had the idiot followed any one of the MULTIPLE commands given BEFORE force was used....

[mesmorph78]

chick ive never been arrested or seen the inside of a cell or police station...either but even i can see what the police did there was wrong.
they could have easily dogpiled him and cuffed him easily

you didnt answer my question btw