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This country will not recover until Obama’s boot is lifted from our throats
Flopping Aces ^ | 07-08-11 | DrJohn
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2745558/posts






So you thought the economy was bad before? You ain't seen nothin'.

After the Deepwater Horizon oil spill Interior Secretary Ken Salazar unveiled the Obama policy for businesses in the US:

So the administration has embraced the violent imagery of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar who said administration officials would keep their "boot on the throat" of the energy giant to make sure the company does all it can and more to address the problems caused by its uncontrolled ocean gusher.
Holding a "boot to the throat" of business has been exactly what this administration has done. Now Barack Obama transitions from President to dictator.

And here comes the deathblow for the United States economy. Obama is ruling by edict that which he could not achieve legislatively.


WASHINGTON — In the next weeks and months, Lisa P. Jackson, the Environmental Protection Agency administrator, is scheduled to establish regulations on smog, mercury, carbon dioxide, mining waste and vehicle emissions that will affect every corner of the economy.

She is working under intense pressure from opponents in Congress, from powerful industries, from impatient environmentalists and from the Supreme Court, which just affirmed the agency’s duty to address global warming emissions, a project that carries profound economic implications.

Obama is proving that he has not learned from his failed stimulus, nor from his imposition of Obamacare, nor from his

knee-jerk over-regulation of banking.


Banks are less able or willing to lend than before the recession. Since the recovery started, banks have reduced money they make available through credit card lines from $3.04 trillion to $2.69 trillion and have reduced home equity credit lines from $1.33 trillion to $1.15 trillion, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

Policy makers, meanwhile, are reluctant to do more to stimulate economic growth. The Federal Reserve has already pushed short-term interest rates to near zero. Two rounds of quantitative easing that including purchasing $1.425 trillion in mortgage bonds and $900 billion in Treasury debt helped to stabilize the economy but failed to spur a vigorous recovery.

He has not learned from his clumsy and obvious attempt to manhandle Boeing into obeying the demands of unions, even though unions have crippled Boeing repeatedly.

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Re: The economy will never recover so long as Obama Admn is in office.
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2011, 07:17:31 AM »
regulations on smog, mercury, carbon dioxide, mining waste and vehicle emissions

I could think of worse regulations... but the economy will suffer

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Re: The economy will never recover so long as Obama Admn is in office.
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2011, 04:44:48 AM »
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Don't believe the Obama lies on taxes
Libertarian Republican ^ | Friday, July 8, 2011 | Wayne Allyn Root
Posted on July 9, 2011 11:05:16 PM EDT by FreeKeys

Here's the dirty little secret. Raising taxes kills jobs, kills the economy, and deepens a recession into a Great Depression.

Taxes aren't the lowest they've ever been. Obama and his friends (the FOOLS) are lying to you. Taxes are the highest in history when you add up federal income taxes, state, local, property, sales taxes, social security and medicare taxes, taxes disguised as fees, and the loss of deductions. The tax burden on small business owners has never been higher. And Obama threatens to make it far higher- perhaps an unimaginable ten times higher by taking away the home mortgage deduction and removing the cap on Social Security taxes.

This is all causing fear, loathing, depression and panic among the job creators. This is causing millions of Americans to consider leaving the U.S.A for places where business owners are appreciated and rewarded, not demonized and punished. That means they will take with them millions of jobs- gone forever.

Here's a simple lesson in this scenario. The New York Post reported recently that toll prices (ie taxes) at bridges throughout New York had increased dramatically. The result? Traffic has dropped dramatically at those bridges. Taxes ruin everything they touch.

That's the same reason over $1 trillion dollars of wealth has transferred from New York to Texas in the past decade. Taxes ruin business. Taxes force people to either spend less or re-locate to places with lower taxes. It's the same reason that NY, New Jersey, Illinois, Michigan and California are bleeding- losing jobs, losing taxpayers, increasing debt by the billions. These high-tax and spend states lead the nation in debt and moving vans moving out of their state. Taxes kill whatever they touch.

Let's compare how different Presidents handled the issue of taxes.

When Reagan cut our taxes from 70% to 28% everyone had jobs, restaurants were booming, real estate was exploding, stocks were soaring, furniture was moving, auto sales were flying, it was one big party. It was morning in America.

Under tax and spend liberals like Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama the country literally came to a grinding halt. The economy stood still. Commerce just...stopped. Jobs just...disappeared. All hope...vanished.

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Re: The economy will never recover so long as Obama Admn is in office.
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2011, 05:02:36 AM »
How do you feel about discontinuing the Bush tax cuts for the rich people and businesses and give them to the middle-class and small/new companies? Yes or no?

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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2011, 05:06:17 AM »
How do you feel about discontinuing the Bush tax cuts for the rich people and businesses and give them to the middle-class and small/new companies? Yes or no?

No.   We have a spending problem first and foremost.   The govt has enough money and needs to cut back. 

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Lack of Jobs Could Cost Obama His
Townhall.com ^ | July 10, 2011 | Salena Zito
Posted on July 10, 2011 8:41:14 AM EDT by Kaslin

Where are the jobs?

Not the stimulus signs, not the rhetoric about “shovel-ready” economic voodoo, not the propping-up of an anemic manufacturing sector, but real jobs?

Polls showed at the beginning of July that President Obama is in an increasingly hazardous position with voters when it comes to jobs and the economy.

The McClatchy-Marist poll put his economic-approval favorable rating at just 37 percent of registered voters, and a Gallup poll found U.S. economic confidence has plummeted by seven percentage points since last month.

Last year in Pennsylvania, Obama used the Allentown Metal Works as backdrop to tout the success of his stimulus and job-creation programs. A couple of months later, the plant closed.

His vice-president, Joe Biden, told a crowd in Pittsburgh that 250,000 to 500,000 jobs would be created each month by the start of last summer. The numbers never even came close.

To date, this administration’s handling of our economy is a failure.

“Excepting some unanticipated major event, the election will largely ride on the state of the economy and public perceptions of how Obama has handled it,” said Mark Rozell, a professor of public policy at George Mason University.

All that the political opposition must do is to seed as much doubt as possible about Obama’s economic leadership, to strike this tone early and often, and the president has a political problem more potent than his rhetorical skills.

On a “Factory Belt” tour last month, Obama spoke about new worker-training partnerships with government and academic elements in the political battlegrounds of Iowa, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia.

It was an attempt to project confidence in our economic future – but it’s hard to sell job growth that is moving at glacial speed.

“In the short term, there may be some support for the president because he is ‘doing something’ about the economy,” explained Rozell, “but, ultimately, the real test is whether economic circumstances improve in time for election day next year.”

In politics, perception is what counts.

Last weekend, the White House released its seventh quarterly report. Written by the White House Council of Economic Advisers, it showed the Obama stimulus effort added or saved fewer than 2.4 million jobs – at a cost to taxpayers of more than $250,000 per job.

Most Americans cannot understand how that can be considered sound economic reasoning. They find it difficult to rally around what, to them, looks like foolishness.

Since the recession began, the private sector has regained about 30 percent of the manufacturing jobs it lost. Those jobs were created in spite of an array of regulatory policies that are detrimental to manufacturing’s expansion.

Add to that the administration’s health-care policies (which drive up the cost of employment by increasing medical insurance costs) and its environmental policies (which drive up the price of energy, particularly in Western Pennsylvania where coal is a major source of energy), and you can see why private-sector companies are skittish about enlarging payrolls.

That means the president has not only a small-business problem but also a blue-collar worker problem. Both are sources of those independent voters who are so essential to winning elections.

And add to all that the Dodd-Frank bill, says former Federal Reserve governor Larry Lindsey, “which has made it much more difficult for banks to make business loans, as more of their resources must be devoted to regulatory compliance and (the) building of capital than to granting loans.”

Partnerships are the key to economic growth. One of the great economists of the 20th century, Joseph Schumpeter, described entrepreneurs as “gap-fillers and input-completers,” meaning that they brought together everything that is needed to create output and jobs in one place, basically by partnering with various groups.

Having entrepreneurs as central to this process is better than having government or academics, because entrepreneurs typically have the knowledge to get things done and have their own money at risk, thus creating real consequences if they fail.

“While the president often talks about having ‘created’ jobs … he didn’t,” explained Lindsey. “Such jobs that have been gained have been produced by risk-taking entrepreneurs.”

All of that “shovel-ready” government stimulus money filled many state budgets but not so many private-sector job rolls.

The president’s resume does not include much indication that he knows how to create jobs – which may, in the end, contribute to him losing his job.

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Re: The economy will never recover so long as Obama Admn is in office.
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2011, 06:06:55 AM »
No.   We have a spending problem first and foremost.   The govt has enough money and needs to cut back. 

Ok.

No subject: Have you seen the movie Inside Job?

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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2011, 06:08:58 AM »
Ok.

No subject: Have you seen the movie Inside Job?


Yes.    Has nothing to do w anything on why businesses refuse to hire people now.   Obamacare, Dodd frank, EPA, NLRB, etc etc.   


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Re: The economy will never recover so long as Obama Admn is in office.
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2011, 06:14:52 AM »
The reason businesses dont hire is because the jobs is not there. If they needed more workers they would hire them you think they decide this upon who is president? Come on

My point was that to fix our economy we need heavily regulate banks/Wall Street. And neither Obama the corrupt bastard or the GOP's corrupt bastards is gonna change this because the money that get them elected will come from bankers/Wall Street.

So this discussion lib/repub is ridicilous

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Re: The economy will never recover so long as Obama Admn is in office.
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2011, 06:19:20 AM »
The reason businesses dont hire is because the jobs is not there. If they needed more workers they would hire them you think they decide this upon who is president? Come on

My point was that to fix our economy we need heavily regulate banks/Wall Street. And neither Obama the corrupt bastard or the GOP's corrupt bastards is gonna change this because the money that get them elected will come from bankers/Wall Street.

So this discussion lib/repub is ridicilous

I didn't say dem GOP.    I pointed out policies Obama is pursuing. 

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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2011, 06:22:41 AM »
I didn't say dem GOP.    I pointed out policies Obama is pursuing. 

My point is Wall Street/Banks are the reason we are in this mess so why not hate them with a passion instead?

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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2011, 06:23:46 AM »
My point is Wall Street/Banks are the reason we are in this mess so why not hate them with a passion instead?

That's utter bullshit.   The govt is equally if not more at blame for this shit. 

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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2011, 07:24:30 AM »
That's utter bullshit.   The govt is equally if not more at blame for this shit. 

SO you think the government should regulate Wall Street/Banks more?

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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2011, 07:25:44 AM »
SO you think the government should regulate Wall Street/Banks more?

No. 

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Don't believe the Obama lies on taxes
Libertarian Republican ^ | Friday, July 8, 2011 | Wayne Allyn Root
Posted on July 9, 2011 11:05:16 PM EDT by FreeKeys

Here's the dirty little secret. Raising taxes kills jobs, kills the economy, and deepens a recession into a Great Depression.
Taxes aren't the lowest they've ever been. Obama and his friends (the FOOLS) are lying to you. Taxes are the highest in history when you add up federal income taxes, state, local, property, sales taxes, social security and medicare taxes, taxes disguised as fees, and the loss of deductions. The tax burden on small business owners has never been higher. And Obama threatens to make it far higher- perhaps an unimaginable ten times higher by taking away the home mortgage deduction and removing the cap on Social Security taxes.

This is all causing fear, loathing, depression and panic among the job creators. This is causing millions of Americans to consider leaving the U.S.A for places where business owners are appreciated and rewarded, not demonized and punished. That means they will take with them millions of jobs- gone forever.

Here's a simple lesson in this scenario. The New York Post reported recently that toll prices (ie taxes) at bridges throughout New York had increased dramatically. The result? Traffic has dropped dramatically at those bridges. Taxes ruin everything they touch.

That's the same reason over $1 trillion dollars of wealth has transferred from New York to Texas in the past decade. Taxes ruin business. Taxes force people to either spend less or re-locate to places with lower taxes. It's the same reason that NY, New Jersey, Illinois, Michigan and California are bleeding- losing jobs, losing taxpayers, increasing debt by the billions. These high-tax and spend states lead the nation in debt and moving vans moving out of their state. Taxes kill whatever they touch.

Let's compare how different Presidents handled the issue of taxes.

When Reagan cut our taxes from 70% to 28% everyone had jobs, restaurants were booming, real estate was exploding, stocks were soaring, furniture was moving, auto sales were flying, it was one big party. It was morning in America.

Under tax and spend liberals like Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama the country literally came to a grinding halt. The economy stood still. Commerce just...stopped. Jobs just...disappeared. All hope...vanished.

Clinton raised taxes and it didn't kill jobs

Reagan raised taxes and it didn't kill jobs

Bush 1 raised taxes and it didn't kill jobs

Bush 2 lowered taxes and had the worst job creation record of any modern POTUS

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Re: The economy will never recover so long as Obama Admn is in office.
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2011, 07:32:31 AM »
Clinton raised taxes and it didn't kill jobs

Reagan raised taxes and it didn't kill jobs

Bush 1 raised taxes and it didn't kill jobs

Bush 2 lowered taxes and had the worst job creation record of any modern POTUS

There is one small problem with your analysis, what was the unemployment rate under Bush II? Seems to me it was very low for most of his time in office, so how do you create jobs when your at 5% unemployment?
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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2011, 07:38:55 AM »
No. 

How will you prevent another crisis then?

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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2011, 07:40:13 AM »
There is one small problem with your analysis, what was the unemployment rate under Bush II? Seems to me it was very low for most of his time in office, so how do you create jobs when your at 5% unemployment?

Shouldnt we have raised the taxes when the economy was good and then lowered them now to get things going again?

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« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2011, 07:40:42 AM »
Clinton raised taxes and it didn't kill jobs

Reagan raised taxes and it didn't kill jobs

Bush 1 raised taxes and it didn't kill jobs

Bush 2 lowered taxes and had the worst job creation record of any modern POTUS

Stop posting bloggers from FR.com.   If we want to read their shit we'll go there and read it

Wayne Allen root was a friend of Obama in the past.     Fail.  

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« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2011, 07:41:27 AM »
Shouldnt we have raised the taxes when the economy was good and then lowered them now to get things going again?

No, we should cut spending you fuckng moron. 

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« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2011, 07:42:10 AM »
How will you prevent another crisis then?

The government took steps after the great depression, and they seemed to work pretty damn well, then Glass/Steagal was repealed. Took what 10 years for the shit to hit the fan?
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« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2011, 07:44:59 AM »
Shouldnt we have raised the taxes when the economy was good and then lowered them now to get things going again?

A better question would be, why is the government involved in all sorts of shit that is well beyond their constitutional authority? How much do these activities add to the budget? It's all very simple, you can't spend 10x what you take in.
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« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2011, 07:47:09 AM »
There is one small problem with your analysis, what was the unemployment rate under Bush II? Seems to me it was very low for most of his time in office, so how do you create jobs when your at 5% unemployment?

when he started it was low (thanks Clinton)

when he ended we were hemorrhaging jobs and it looked very likely that we were headed to global financial collapse

I don't believe for a second that if we raise marginal tax rates by a few % points (say back to Clinton era levels) and get rid or corporate welfare, tax credits etc.. that it will harm the economy.  I believe it will actually help the economy.

What would also help the economy is more governemnt spending.  Public spending on infrastructure (for example) puts money in the hands of people who will turn around and spend it and primes the pump for private investment and spending.   Tax cuts don't do shit for poor or unemployed people and marginal tax increases don't stop wealthly people from doing anything.    We had much higher marginal tax rates prior to Reagan and wealthly people and companies kept working and producing.   This idea that some small changes to the tax code are going to drive us into a depression is nonsense (not saying that you're saying that)

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Analysis: Flat jobs data signal weakest recovery in decades
http://news.yahoo.com/flat-jobs-data-signal-weakest-recovery-decades-211320802.html ^ | AP – Fri, Jul 8, 2011 | By PAUL WISEMAN - AP Economics Writer
Posted on July 9, 2011 9:40:33 PM EDT by Red in Blue PA

WASHINGTON (AP) — The job market is defying history.

A dismal June employment report shows that employers are adding nowhere near as many jobs as they normally do this long after a recession has ended.

Unemployment has climbed for three straight months and is now at 9.2 percent. There's no precedent, in data going back to 1948, for such a high rate two years into what economists say is a recovery.

The economy added just 18,000 jobs in June. That's a fraction of the 90,000 jobs economists had expected and a sliver of the 300,000 jobs needed each month to shrink unemployment significantly.

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« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2011, 07:48:57 AM »
More fucking spending straw?????      Wtf is wrong w you?