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Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
« Reply #50 on: July 08, 2011, 05:55:15 PM »
Do you work for a company?

There is a difference between working for and bowing down to a company. Look at the impact of big business in our country. It is appalling. A factory can decide to leave town and ruin that towns economy more than any elected representative could ever dream of doing. And when a factory decides to move into an area, the government gives incentives by lowering/eliminating taxes, restricting regulation, giving them straight money, etc. Not even to go into the whole campaign finance issue where politicians only appeal to what businesses want instead of what the common citizen wants. The list goes on, and I think it is a shame that most republicans that I know keep repeating "we have to do what they want or they will leave us".

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Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
« Reply #51 on: July 08, 2011, 05:58:28 PM »
There is a difference between working for and bowing down to a company. Look at the impact of big business in our country. It is appalling. A factory can decide to leave town and ruin that towns economy more than any elected representative could ever dream of doing. And when a factory decides to move into an area, the government gives incentives by lowering/eliminating taxes, restricting regulation, giving them straight money, etc. Not even to go into the whole campaign finance issue where politicians only appeal to what businesses want instead of what the common citizen wants. The list goes on, and I think it is a shame that most republicans that I know keep repeating "we have to do what they want or they will leave us".

Point is the CEO/President of that company is more than likely a wealthy person....if he were not, you would not be working. Understand? I guaranty if the shoe were on the other foot and you were the wealthy one, this conversation wouldn't exist.

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Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
« Reply #52 on: July 08, 2011, 06:00:18 PM »
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Nope, Jezebelle and I bought it ourselves.

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Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
« Reply #53 on: July 08, 2011, 06:04:11 PM »
Nope, Jezebelle and I bought it ourselves.

Mmm, funny, you said you inherited it. Or did you inherit the money to buy it?

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Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
« Reply #54 on: July 08, 2011, 06:07:40 PM »
Look at Starbucks starting wage and then look at Dunkin Donuts starting wage. Two very successful companies who's philosophy on wage and benefits differ dramatically. If you want to own a business and hire people but can't pay a living wage, then you shouldn't own a fucking business plain and simple.  Come up with another way to live your life. The country doesn't need anymore slum business owners.

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Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
« Reply #55 on: July 08, 2011, 06:08:34 PM »
Point is the CEO/President of that company is more than likely a wealthy person....if he were not, you would not be working. Understand? I guaranty if the shoe were on the other foot and you were the wealthy one, this conversation wouldn't exist.

I don't understand your point. Are you saying if I was a CEO then I wouldn't want my taxes to increase? I think it might be likely, but it is not certain. But even so, I don't see how that is relevant.

And Yes the CEO of a company is more likely to be wealthy, but I don't see how that has any impact on the claim that democracies should not bow down to businesses because it undermines the democratic ideal. I'm not trying to be a dick here, I just don't understand your point.

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Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
« Reply #56 on: July 08, 2011, 06:15:17 PM »
There is a difference between working for and bowing down to a company. Look at the impact of big business in our country. It is appalling. A factory can decide to leave town and ruin that towns economy more than any elected representative could ever dream of doing. And when a factory decides to move into an area, the government gives incentives by lowering/eliminating taxes, restricting regulation, giving them straight money, etc. Not even to go into the whole campaign finance issue where politicians only appeal to what businesses want instead of what the common citizen wants. The list goes on, and I think it is a shame that most republicans that I know keep repeating "we have to do what they want or they will leave us".

a factory doesn't "decide" to leave a town; the whole purpose of a factory is to churn a profit.  in the case of factories leaving, say as in detroit, it was more of an issue of high union waged workers putting out a subpar product no one wanted to buy.  you can't pay someone $50/hr to make something no one wants to buy, even with all the "government" incentives in the world; and there were plenty.  look at chrysler, i think they're on bailout #4.

which company , off the top of your head, would be a good representation of its workers "bowing down to it?"

in the case of politicians bowing down to "businesses"...here's why.  if they bow down to a business, say that very gm plant in detroit that hires most of the city, then gm would have an incentive to stay in that location and keep people employed and "happy".  if they bow down to the "people", say force companies to pay for the employees healthcare, the companies would move out because they couldn't afford the new premiums, and then the "people" would call "businesses" assholes, as opposed to themselves who ran the businesses out with their bullshit practices.
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Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
« Reply #57 on: July 08, 2011, 06:24:50 PM »
a factory doesn't "decide" to leave a town; the whole purpose of a factory is to churn a profit.  in the case of factories leaving, say as in detroit, it was more of an issue of high union waged workers putting out a subpar product no one wanted to buy.  you can't pay someone $50/hr to make something no one wants to buy, even with all the "government" incentives in the world; and there were plenty.  look at chrysler, i think they're on bailout #4.

which company , off the top of your head, would be a good representation of its workers "bowing down to it?"

in the case of politicians bowing down to "businesses"...here's why.  if they bow down to a business, say that very gm plant in detroit that hires most of the city, then gm would have an incentive to stay in that location and keep people employed and "happy".  if they bow down to the "people", say force companies to pay for the employees healthcare, the companies would move out because they couldn't afford the new premiums, and then the "people" would call "businesses" assholes, as opposed to themselves who ran the businesses out with their bullshit practices.

I come from a town that has it's 4 major employers decide to leave. 4 factories shut down. This is a small town, mind you. So now the entire town is a ghost town of empty buildings. Crime is up, etc. About 10 minutes away is another town, same thing. About 20 minutes away is another town, same way. I have seen elected representatives give incentives to prospective business by bypassing safety and water regulation, giving them enormous tax breaks, etc. Then the city furnishes water pipes to the building, builds it, etc, then the company moves after a while leaving another empty building and the town further in debt with no jobs. This is not how a democracy should work. I know why they throw lavish dinners for the owners of these businesses, etc, but my point is that it should not be that way. I disagree with the 2nd part of your post, I think it is a false dilemma. There needs to be a change at a higher level than just "bowing down to workers" to protect jobs and workers. Even increasing regulation or job safety a little does not mean that they will all flee to mexico. And to address the specific problem about companies being forced to provide healthcare, isn't that one of the major arguments for government healthcare? Because it takes the burden off of business?

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Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
« Reply #58 on: July 08, 2011, 06:31:54 PM »
The richest businessmen in the United States are all liberals. I hope that is some solace to you Johnny Falcon.  ;)

There's no point in posting this, he can't distinguish the difference between liberal economic policies and liberal social policies.

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Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
« Reply #59 on: July 08, 2011, 06:43:23 PM »
Ever hear of Wal-Mart?
Don't talk out of your ass.


Walmarts average full time rate is almost $11 a hour($20 to 30 grand a year)with benefits. Sure it sucks. But its considered a living wage. Johnny wants to run a company straight out of the tent he's sleeps at in the woods and hire people at min.wage or under. I'm saying the country doesn't need guys who huff paint and sleep in the woods every night to be business owners. That doesn't help the country and its not progression. He belongs in a straight jacket not at the head seat of a board room.

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Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
« Reply #60 on: July 08, 2011, 07:05:17 PM »
Not true TA, but regardless, fact is most rich liberals inherited wealth as with most conservative that earned wealth.

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Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2011, 07:30:53 PM »
I pay mexicans ten bucks an hour when I need some extra help.  I would pay local fellas double that but I've not found any that can hack.  Anyway, becoming wealthy is a matter of extraordinary opportunity and being born right.  If it was hard work and determination alone some of my Mexicans would be running fucking ADM and Haliburton.

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« Reply #62 on: July 08, 2011, 07:33:07 PM »
Horseshit

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« Reply #63 on: July 08, 2011, 07:41:56 PM »
I pay mexicans ten bucks an hour when I need some extra help.  I would pay local fellas double that but I've not found any that can hack.  Anyway, becoming wealthy is a matter of extraordinary opportunity and being born right.  If it was hard work and determination alone some of my Mexicans would be running fucking ADM and Haliburton.


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« Reply #64 on: July 08, 2011, 07:43:28 PM »

And sometimes its just who you know
Exactly.  Most of the time, the "hardest working" are the ones being ordered around by the smartest owner.

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« Reply #65 on: July 08, 2011, 07:45:37 PM »
I pay mexicans ten bucks an hour when I need some extra help.  I would pay local fellas double that but I've not found any that can hack.  Anyway, becoming wealthy is a matter of extraordinary opportunity and being born right.  If it was hard work and determination alone some of my Mexicans would be running fucking ADM and Haliburton.

This guy gets it.  8)
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« Reply #66 on: July 08, 2011, 07:46:06 PM »
I pay mexicans ten bucks an hour when I need some extra help.  I would pay local fellas double that but I've not found any that can hack.  Anyway, becoming wealthy is a matter of extraordinary opportunity and being born right.  If it was hard work and determination alone some of my Mexicans would be running fucking ADM and Haliburton.

Yeah, but there's a difference between hard grunt work ... and hard work using your brain.

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« Reply #67 on: July 08, 2011, 07:50:03 PM »
Yeah, but there's a difference between hard grunt work ... and hard work using your brain.


My point is that if they were born into better circumstances, imagine how much more they would achieve.

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« Reply #68 on: July 08, 2011, 07:53:03 PM »
Either way, the opportunity there.

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« Reply #69 on: July 08, 2011, 08:34:14 PM »
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« Reply #70 on: July 08, 2011, 08:38:23 PM »
Walmarts average full time rate is almost $11 a hour($20 to 30 grand a year)with benefits. Sure it sucks. But its considered a living wage. Johnny wants to run a company straight out of the tent he's sleeps at in the woods and hire people at min.wage or under. I'm saying the country doesn't need guys who huff paint and sleep in the woods every night to be business owners. That doesn't help the country and its not progression. He belongs in a straight jacket not at the head seat of a board room.

i would pay people 8-10 dollars an hour no more no less id expect a decent work pace. i dont see anything wrong with this, this is in the zero tax range. i dont make a whole lot either my work rate is closer to 15 dollars an hour but i do better job and have more knowledge on how to do a good job
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« Reply #71 on: July 08, 2011, 08:41:57 PM »
i expect my workers to invest in mopeds. No one really needs a car. the key is living close to a grocery store. i would actually pick up 3 lame workers a day and get things done fast if theyd cut my damn taxes some
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« Reply #72 on: July 08, 2011, 08:42:20 PM »
i would pay people 8-10 dollars an hour no more no less id expect a decent work pace. i dont see anything wrong with this, this is in the zero tax range. i dont make a whole lot either my work rate is closer to 15 dollars an hour but i do better job and have more knowledge on how to do a good job
What do you think of the people holding up signs for money at the stop lights Johnny should they be banned?

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« Reply #73 on: July 08, 2011, 08:44:08 PM »
I disagree on this point. Yes, there are some people who are born into money. But, I think the are many more examples of people who took risks, failed, and kept on going to get where they are today. It's easy to quit, rather than work hard. Those are the people who just chalk things up and quit and blame their status in life on the "rich."

oh i agree, the majority of wealthy people earned their wealth. read the book "millionaire mind". they all are hard working individuals who put their nose to the cement and took risks nobody else would. but those are not the wealthy people we are talking about. were talking about the mega rich. the billionaires. those people didnt earn it. its inhereted.

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« Reply #74 on: July 08, 2011, 08:45:53 PM »
What do you think of the people holding up signs for money at the stop lights Johnny should they be banned?

im guilty of giving those guys some money now and then but really they should be doing something else and enjoying life more
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